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Can we lock this thread as I feel it discriminates against fighters that weigh over or under 126 pounds!... :x

Witty. I dont think. Lets compare how many threads about the great Featherweights there are on Boxers of the Past, compared to your most recent thread: 'Tyson is an ear biting, arm twisting quitter' an oh so original contribution.

I think if you take 74-85 you get an absolute fantastic collection of fighters.

The top tier alone is

Olivares
Arguello
Sanchez
Pedroza
Nelson

That's 5 ATG fighters

Seriously my list would be something like this...

Sanchez
Pedrosa
Arguello
Nelson
Saldivar
Lopez
oLIVARES
Jofre
Gomez
Chacon

As for the best fights!...

Arguello vs Olivares
Olivares vs Chacon1
Chacon vs Lopez
Lopez vs Ayala
Sanchez vs Gomez
Sanchez vs Nelson
Pedrosa vs Olivares
Nelson vs Gomez
Sanchez vs Cowdell
Pedrosa vs Lockridge 1

A second tier could be made up of

Laporte
Gomez
Lockridge
McGuigan
Taylor
Lopez
Cowdell
Chacon
Limon

silkov wrote:As for the best fights!...

Arguello vs Olivares
Olivares vs Chacon1
Chacon vs Lopez
Lopez vs Ayala
Sanchez vs Gomez
Sanchez vs Nelson
Pedrosa vs Olivares
Nelson vs Gomez
Sanchez vs Cowdell
Pedrosa vs Lockridge 1

Gomez vs. Pintor. IMO one of the best fights all time.

borinken25 wrote:

silkov wrote:As for the best fights!...

Arguello vs Olivares
Olivares vs Chacon1
Chacon vs Lopez
Lopez vs Ayala
Sanchez vs Gomez
Sanchez vs Nelson
Pedrosa vs Olivares
Nelson vs Gomez
Sanchez vs Cowdell
Pedrosa vs Lockridge 1

Gomez vs. Pintor. IMO one of the best fights all time.

Great fight agreed but it was at 122 lightfeatherweight... not that I'm pedantic...

overhand_right wrote:Witty. I dont think. Lets compare how many threads about the great Featherweights there are on Boxers of the Past, compared to your most recent thread: 'Tyson is an ear biting, arm twisting quitter' an oh so original contribution.

Well wit has always been one of my natural gifts, as for originality sir, I think you'll find quite a few threads on the great featherweight fights of the past... (it hardly takes a genius to figure that there was a good rumble or two at 126) ...but I very much doubt that there will be many Tyson threads of quite the same originality and insight as the one which I've just recently created... you're welcome to look though!...

Mitchell was another skilled fighter and if we cam throw a few 130 fighters in there then Boza-Edwards deserves a mention.

>>>Can we lock this thread as I feel it discriminates against fighters that weigh over or under 126 pounds!...<<<

I'll tell you what...if you take it to any other threads I'm just going to delete it...there is one thread going and it is plenty enough...you don't need to branch it out into several other threads that have nothing to do with it!



As to the top bantam/feathers of the 70s…there’s a bunch as the 70s was one of the best times in history for featherweight boxing…especially in California:

Ruben Olivares
Danny Lopez
Bobby Chacon
Chucho Castillo
Rafael Herrera
Alfonso Zamora
Carlos Zarate
Wilfredo Gomez
Eder Jofre
Alexis Arguello
Jose Legra
David Kotey
Eusebio Pedroza
Ernesto Marcel
Lupe Pintor
Bazooka Limon
Kuniaki Shibata
Clemente Sanchez
Art Hafey
Arnold Taylor
Sean O’Grady

Hell there were many, many high quality fighters during the 70s in the 118-130 pound range and some great fights were fought. Danny Lopez was probably my favorite of the bunch, but then again I like Ruben Olivares, Bobby Chacon, Wilfredo Gomez, Eder Jofre, Alexis Arguello and Carlos Zarate about the same as Lopez…just a great period in boxing!

There were just as many great fights as they were great fighters as well. Pretty much anything that occurred in Los Angeles and California during the 70s was definitely worthwhile. One fight that I would love to get a copy of is Danny Lopez vs. Masano Toyoshima…talk about a great fight…it was an all-time great…very reminiscent of Hagler-Hearns and Dempsey-Firpo only at 126 pounds and it is very possible that it was better than those two all-time great fights, though it was no where as important as the other two!.

barry wrote:>>>Can we lock this thread as I feel it discriminates against fighters that weigh over or under 126 pounds!...<<<

I'll tell you what...if you take it to any other threads I'm just going to delete it...there is one thread going and it is plenty enough...you don't need to branch it out into several other threads that have nothing to do with it!



As to the top bantam/feathers of the 70s…there’s a bunch as the 70s was one of the best times in history for featherweight boxing…especially in California:

Ruben Olivares
Danny Lopez
Bobby Chacon
Chucho Castillo
Rafael Herrera
Alfonso Zamora
Carlos Zarate
Wilfredo Gomez
Eder Jofre
Alexis Arguello
Jose Legra
David Kotey
Eusebio Pedroza
Ernesto Marcel
Lupe Pintor
Bazooka Limon
Kuniaki Shibata
Clemente Sanchez
Art Hafey
Arnold Taylor
Sean O’Grady

Hell there were many, many high quality fighters during the 70s in the 118-130 pound range and some great fights were fought. Danny Lopez was probably my favorite of the bunch, but then again I like Ruben Olivares, Bobby Chacon, Wilfredo Gomez, Eder Jofre, Alexis Arguello and Carlos Zarate about the same as Lopez…just a great period in boxing!

There were just as many great fights as they were great fighters as well. Pretty much anything that occurred in Los Angeles and California during the 70s was definitely worthwhile. One fight that I would love to get a copy of is Danny Lopez vs. Masano Toyoshima…talk about a great fight…it was an all-time great…very reminiscent of Hagler-Hearns and Dempsey-Firpo only at 126 pounds and it is very possible that it was better than those two all-time great fights, though it was no where as important as the other two!.

I'll tell you what Barry, why dont you just grow up mate, I know by now that you cant have an intelligent discussion with someone who disagrees with you without stooping to personal insults and threats, but I've been living in hope that you wouldnt come up with this old song just because I say some things which you dont like!. This isnt even my thread so what are you going to gain by deleating it!... I've actually contributed a list to this and my comments about having it deleated because it was discriminating against people of higher or lower weights was purely humourous as anyone with half a brain and a sense of humour could see... which I guess leaves you out mate, at least on the humour part... I cant belive you really think I was serious!...

Decagon wrote:Stop fagging up the thread, Silkov.

The 1970s was a great time for featherweights! Let's not forget Samuel Serrano. Although he spent most of the decade at 130, he started out as a featherweight. I wish he could have faced Arguello, Sanchez and some of the others.

Why not stop following me around like a leadless poodle and post a list of your own on here mate?... least I've done a list...

Decagon wrote:Sean "Bubblegum" O'Grady! Nice catch. Sure, he wasn't great shakes at 126, and not even that good at lightweight, but we've seen the last three rounds of his win over Hilmer Kenty a thousand times on Tuesday Night Fights, and he was a pretty good commentator. Sure, I think that a lot of people overrate him simply because Tuesday Night Fights was so unceremoniously taken off the air, but he had good chemistry with Bob Papa, and he made even the worst mismatches fun to watch.

Well actually he was pretty good at 135... perhaps you should try watching more than just the last 3 rounds of the Kenty fight, before you pass your verdict on him as a fighter....

And you can say all that after seeing just 3 rounds of him in action?... Sean was already WBA champion when his father set up the WAA after their was a dispute with the WBA and Sean was stripped of recognition as champion... bad move by O'Grady senior as Sean then lost his title to big hitting Andy Ganigan...

Speaking of O'Grady, I just picked up a lovely copy of his fight with Jim Watt. Only watched the first 3 rounds so far but it looks to be shaping up to a great fight. Nice mix of styles with Jim's high guard and stiff southpaw jab against Sean's classy looking hooking.

Decagon wrote:Um, when did I say I only saw three rounds of him? I said that I'd seen those three rounds plenty of times.

Bubblegum's problem with the WBA is that they wanted him to fight a live body. He wanted to fight Ganigan (not a top-10 fighter at the time) instead of Claude Noel (a top-10 lightweight).

And Ganigan wasnt a live body?... he wanted the Ganigan fight because it was more money... simple as that, as it was the Noel fight would have been much easier....

O'Grady was a pretty good fighter. He was put in way over his head with Lopez, but aside from the Ganigan blowout he was a pretty solid lightweight who could have continued to fight for several years. When topics about fighters who got out of the ring earlier and those who retired at the right time O'Grady is never mentioned, though he did go out at a pretty good time and did not stick around to end up with 20 losses...that kind of bad decision making is why in the future people may look at Iran barkley, Frankie Randell and Matthew Saad Muhammaed an assume they were not too good based on the number of losses to wins that they have!!!

O'grady was badly managed by his father, he was given a lot of soft touched early in his career but still fought a heck of a lot and by the time he retired he was shot much like Benitez even though he was just 24... he said in an interveiw after he retired that he found that he suddenly couldnt take puches anymore in the last fights of his career... too many fights too early...

silkov wrote:O'grady was badly managed by his father, he was given a lot of soft touched early in his career but still fought a heck of a lot and by the time he retired he was shot much like Benitez even though he was just 24... he said in an interveiw after he retired that he found that he suddenly couldnt take puches anymore in the last fights of his career... too many fights too early...

Yes, he 'went' very quickly and it was good to see him retire. He'd have ended up getting some more shellackings had he continued.

Overall, he had a decent career, won a 'world' title in an upset and got a few nice purses along the way.

I also enjoyed his self-deprecating commentary and his rapport with the boxers and fans on that USA series.

Good luck to the fellow.

Yes, seems like a good guy, always refused to criticise the way his father had handled his career... very gutsy, have you seen his fight with Fuayama...
Regarding the Watt fight, do you think the butt from Watt was intentional?.... remember all the fuss about it at the time...

silkov wrote:Yes, seems like a good guy, always refused to criticise the way his father had handled his career... very gutsy, have you seen his fight with Fuayama...
Regarding the Watt fight, do you think the butt from Watt was intentional?.... remember all the fuss about it at the time...

I'm up in Brisbane for a few days. I got the Watt - O'Grady fight the morning I left Sydney so was only able to catch the buildup and the first 3 rounds before dashing for the plane.

I'll let you know what I think of the ending in a few days.

Yes, I saw the Fukuyama bloodbath on tape. How they let that continue was incredible.

I'm gonna start hunting for that Ellis - Cordova fight you are after this afternoon. I bet it is right at the other side of all the bookcases. They are all jammed into an alcove, numbered but out of order. I'll get it though. It has some other Aussie bouts from that era so I'll keep you posted, mate.

Fukuyama was a tough fighter who had some very good bouts...a little better than a stepping-stone, but that's what he was turned into, but when he was at his best he was hard to handle...I think he stopped Olivares, or was it Danny Lopez?