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New John L. Sullivan book

Posted: 13 Sep 2006, 19:26
by apollack
WHY SULLIVAN IS AN INTRIGUING AND IMPORTANT FIGURE

To understand where boxing is today, we must understand from where it came. John L. Sullivan was the first gloved heavyweight champion, the fighter that made gloved boxing popular. He helped legitimize Queensberry rules boxing, which is the foundation of boxing as we know it today. He took what was then a fringe sport and made it an immensely popular mainstream sport that generated big revenues. In order to do this, he had to be a phenomenon, the likes of which the world had never seen.

Sullivan was such a huge star that he transcended cultural barriers. He was the first American sports hero. He is certainly an Irish legend because he was the first Irish American to gain worldwide recognition, respect, and the riches that being the world’s best brought. For over a decade, he was the world’s most feared and respected pugilist, the man then-considered to be the greatest fighting machine the world had ever known.

HOW THIS BOOK IS DIFFERENT FROM OTHER SULLIVAN BOOKS

Ever since I was young, I have never been satisfied with boxing biographies, for I felt they lacked details regarding the boxing, always left me with a number of unanswered questions, and seemed more focused on the boxers' personal lives rather than the fine details of the champion's career. Boxing fans want to be armed with knowledge that they can use in their debates and discussions. I give them that knowledge, providing facts and analysis that no other book has offered.

This book most definitely focuses on the BOXING, not all the other stuff like family, wives, etc. I talk about the opponents and their careers, what the local papers said about the fights, what they said about Sullivan and his skills and ability. Not speculation, not something based on hearsay or legend written 20 years later, but what the newspapers at the time said, which is why my book is more accurate. Also, I give multiple perspectives on a number of fights, because even local papers often gave different views on fights, just like they do today. Who’s right? I’ll let you decide.

This book fills a much needed void and will have timeless appeal. For anyone wanting to answer a question about one of Sullivan's fights, they need look no further than this book. It presents the most detailed and thoroughly researched accounting of his career ever written. I present multiple viewpoints of his fights based on local next day newspaper reports. I discuss his opponents and their careers so you can understand who they were, their experience and relative merits, so that the significance of the bouts can be put into perspective. The book follows Sullivan’s skill development over the course of his career and shows how the critics changed their perceptions of him. Social, legal, and historical analysis also enables the reader to better understand the limitations and impediments Sullivan encountered, as well as some of his career decisions. The book reveals new facts, provides fresh insight, corrects others’ mistakes, and details Sullivan’s many bouts and exhibitions.

SPECIFIC EXAMPLES

I devote an entire chapter to the McCaffrey fight, and will reveal more than you ever thought possible, using multiple local newspapers (Cincinnati Enquirer, Cincinnati Commercial Gazette, Cincinnati Evening Post), as well as non local sources. I discuss why there has been so much confusion all these years about that fight. In an earlier chapter, I discuss a sparring exhibition that Sullivan had with McCaffrey the year before they fought.

My discussion of Sullivan’s bouts with Duncan McDonald is unprecedented, because no one has really bothered to discuss them. Most secondary sources say they fought once to a draw and provide no details. They are WRONG! They actually boxed multiple times and it wasn't what some think….but I won’t spoil it.

I extensively discuss the color line. Sullivan’s drawing of the color line is thoroughly analyzed using the newspapers of the time. I even discuss Peter Jackson’s career more extensively than anyone ever has in any Sullivan book, providing the details of Peter’s fights, what they said about his skills and abilities, and the discussions about the impediments to his securing a title shot. You will learn a lot about Jackson’s career. Because Jackson learned to box in Australia, I even provide the Australian perspective on the color line, using and citing Australian primary sources such as the Sydney Referee and the Australian Sportsman.

Basically, I guarantee you all will learn more about Sullivan’s career than you ever knew before. That applies even to seasoned historians.

HOW TO PURCHASE

You may purchase John L. Sullivan: The Career of the First Gloved Heavyweight Champion through any of the multiple online dealers. It is probably easiest to purchase through the publisher directly.

The direct link is

http://www.mcfarlandpub.com/book-2.php? ... 864-2558-X

The preface is also available for viewing:

http://www.mcfarlandpub.com/contents-2. ... 864-2558-X

Advance orders are available.

Posted: 14 Sep 2006, 02:09
by Jaclem
..welcome to the forum. nice beginning ...and much cheaper than an ad of this space would have cost.

Sullivan

Posted: 14 Sep 2006, 09:20
by apollack
Thanks. I used Boxrec to help write the book and credit it throughout the book. It is the most amazingly helpful website.

Posted: 14 Sep 2006, 17:49
by HomicideHenry
John L. Sullivan is one of my favorite fighters of all time, and unlike most, I do rank him considerably higher than the modern day critics usually post him at. This man was not just the link between the gloved and the fist eras, he was also quite possibly the first world reknowned athlete in the world.

Here is a man in his first exhibition fight as a young man fought a former HW champion under the London Prize Ring Rules, beat him, and then offered challenges to all comers all across the country, and he remained unbeaten for over 15 years.

He was a man's man, and hated people who wanted to box scientifically, 'fancy dans' is what he called them, and tried to make every fight of his into a brawl. He had skills, but it was mostly feints he used and combinations. They said if his record was complete he would have had well over 200 KO's to his credit, far surpassing Moore's 145 record.

That is possibly the most striking, because in his time a KO only happened when a man was almost all but dead, that he couldn't continue whatsoever, there were no TKO's. It was a fight to the finish every time out.

At one time I ranked this man as arguably the greatest champion of all time. He was unbeatable until he met up with Jim Corbett, another 'fancy dan' whom Sullivan did not train seriously for. Sullivan never fought again as a professional, that single loss bothered him til the end of his life.

I rank 'The Great John L' currently inside the top 15 HW champions of all time. What many fail to recognise is that this man was just as equally impressive with the gloves as he was with the fists, though he fought the majority of his career under the rough and tumble style of the London Prize Ring rules.

I would like to get this book myself, though I have a vast library of his life and whom he fought, and see if the modern day writers can do this man really any justice.

Sullivan

Posted: 14 Sep 2006, 21:32
by apollack
I absolutely guarantee that you will learn a great deal about Sullivan's career from this book. Yes, even seasoned Sullivan fans and historians will come away from this book saying, "Wow! I learned a lot."

Sullivan

Posted: 15 Sep 2006, 21:54
by apollack
The book is now out and available via online purchase.

New John L. Sullivan book

Posted: 20 Sep 2006, 11:58
by apollack
After reading it, please let me know what you thought of it.

paperback

Posted: 23 Sep 2006, 05:54
by robert.snell1
any plans for a cheaper paperback version?

Posted: 23 Sep 2006, 06:27
by SteveO
Is this book available in the U.K?

thanks

Posted: 23 Sep 2006, 07:17
by robert.snell1
chers mate i forgot to ask that myself - my son is offering to buy it for me, well he was 5 mins ago untill he spotted the price tag

Sullivan book

Posted: 23 Sep 2006, 11:03
by apollack
see below

Sullivan book

Posted: 23 Sep 2006, 11:03
by apollack
I assure you that when you read this book and see how well researched it is that you'll know it is was worth it. It has over 700 endnotes.

Re: thanks

Posted: 23 Sep 2006, 12:17
by tonyevs
robert.snell1 wrote:chers mate i forgot to ask that myself - my son is offering to buy it for me, well he was 5 mins ago untill he spotted the price tag
But will a softback look as good on the book case??

Little more for the hardback, but as long as you get 1st edition you will lose nothing...and they do look so much better than a dog eared paper back :TU:

Posted: 23 Sep 2006, 12:55
by silkov
How much is it??... :roll:

Posted: 23 Sep 2006, 12:59
by JC
On a side not has anyone here read John L Sullivan and His America it's a book I've always wanted but it's in no library I've been to and the cheapest I can find it is about £14 plus P&P for a secondhand copy, is it worth the money? Any input appreciated cheers.

Posted: 23 Sep 2006, 13:15
by silkov
J-C wrote:On a side not has anyone here read John L Sullivan and His America it's a book I've always wanted but it's in no library I've been to and the cheapest I can find it is about £14 plus P&P for a secondhand copy, is it worth the money? Any input appreciated cheers.
Havent read it myself but heard its a good read, £14 is a fair price I'd say... especially if its HB.

Posted: 23 Sep 2006, 13:33
by tonyevs
J-C wrote:On a side not has anyone here read John L Sullivan and His America it's a book I've always wanted but it's in no library I've been to and the cheapest I can find it is about £14 plus P&P for a secondhand copy, is it worth the money? Any input appreciated cheers.
I have `John The Great, The Times And Life Of A Remarkable American` its an absolute gem of a book :TU:

http://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/Searc ... 8&sortby=3

Posted: 23 Sep 2006, 13:58
by JC
Tanks Silkov, I'll probably get it, it's just with postage etc it will be the best part of £20, and that's about as much as I like to spend on a book that doesn't feature naked women.

Also thanks toneyevs I'll definately be sure to check out the one you mention in the future, thanks again buddy :TU:

The Career of the First Gloved Heavyweight Champion

Posted: 24 Sep 2006, 09:58
by apollack
I absolutely guarantee that The Career of the First Gloved Heavyweight Champion blows the others away in terms of research using local next day primary sources, and details about the fights and fighters. It also uses multiple local sources and often provides multiple reports on one fight so you can see what different reporters said. If you want thorough and accurate boxing details, buy this one. If you want short shrift, a quick version so typical of boxing books, buy the others. You are going to read this book and say, 'Wow! Never read anything like it!'

John L. Sullivan: The Career of the First Gloved Heavyweight Champion.

The direct link is

http://www.mcfarlandpub.com/book-2.php? ... 864-2558-X

The preface is also available for viewing:

http://www.mcfarlandpub.com/contents-2. ... 864-2558-X

Posted: 24 Sep 2006, 16:17
by Jaclem
..pollack..you should use a fake name and quote yourself in a blurb for the book. hey..it's been done....one example is gore vidal, whjo wrote a glowing review of the mystery novels he wrote under an assumed name.

sullivan

Posted: 24 Sep 2006, 17:11
by apollack
I'm too honest to do something like that. The gross level of dishonesty in this sport disgusts me. I won't be a part of it.

re

Posted: 24 Sep 2006, 17:24
by barry
>>>John L Sullivan and His America<<<

I haven't got Apollack's book on Sullivan yet, but "John L. Sullivan and His America" is a great book that will be very hard to beat as it is one of the most researched books that I have ever seen on Sullivan, or anyone else.

Posted: 24 Sep 2006, 17:41
by apollack
I'm telling you, absolutely guaranteeing you, that if you are a boxing fan, you are going to come away from my book saying that as good as Isenberg's book was, that mine blows his away. I'm dead serious. This isn't puffing. My book is not written for the mainstream, but specifically for boxing fans. The boxing detail is nonpareil!

The book just came out, so wait for some reviews. This is a quote from another forum (eastsideboxing.com) from a guy called "Zacman" or "Zakman." He said the following:

"Excellent. I just received the book in the mail and read the first chapter on early prizefighting, which already augmented my understanding of the game at that time. It is not a period in boxing history with which I am overly familiar, so this is extremely interesting to me. I am quite pleased to have purchased this book, and certainly look forward to others.

I ordered it on the 13th and received it on the 19th, and it came by mail - so it seems to come pretty quick. Friday was the 15th, so anyone who ordered Friday should get them pretty soon.

And it's well worth it like I said, chock-filled with LOTS of details on the specific fights, when they happened, what happened etc. - everything apollack said it was!"

Re: re

Posted: 24 Sep 2006, 18:53
by iceman21287
barry wrote:>>>John L Sullivan and His America<<<

I haven't got Apollack's book on Sullivan yet, but "John L. Sullivan and His America" is a great book that will be very hard to beat as it is one of the most researched books that I have ever seen on Sullivan, or anyone else.
I'm with you Barry. I'm interested in this new Sullivan book, but until I hear feedback from someone on the forum whose opinion I value, Isenberg's book is #1.

Sullivan

Posted: 25 Sep 2006, 00:23
by apollack
Yeah, I realize I'm the challenger to the title, but I'm confident that I'm going to get the crown. Just wait until you hear the word trickle about from those who have read it. I feel I've earned it with all the thousands of hours of work I've put into this over a number of years, so I'm not just talking. Keep an open mind.

Let's put it this way. If you conduct a quiz on Sullivan's career, ask a bunch of questions about his fights, and you arm one contestant with Isenberg's book, and the other with my book, the guy with my book is going to win easily, hands down, no contest.