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Boxers who Squandered Fortunes

Posted: 18 Sep 2006, 15:11
by Eric the Viking
Great article in today's New York Times: Fortune's Fools: Why the Rich Go Broke, featuring none other than Big George Foreman as an illustrative tale - and of course Mike Tyson, with the way he squandered literally hundreds of millions of dollars, makes George look like a downright miser by comparison. Excerpt:
Fortune's Fools: Why the Rich Go Broke

By TIMOTHY L. O’BRIEN
Published: September 17, 2006

GEORGE FOREMAN — bald, smiling and gigantic — is propped atop a stool in Gleason’s Gym, the venerable boxing haunt in Brooklyn, watching a videotape of his heavyweight championship bout in 1994 with Michael Moorer.

Mr. Foreman once devastated opponents with brutal, staccato punches short on artistry and long on force. He disposed of formidable pile drivers like Joe Frazier, traded blows with dangerous magicians like Muhammad Ali, and dropped the undefeated 26-year-old Mr. Moorer in the 10th round with a right to the jaw.

Mr. Foreman was 45 at the time of the Moorer fight, a roly-poly 250-pounder who had just reclaimed the heavyweight mantle that Mr. Ali had snatched from him 20 years earlier. By knocking out Mr. Moorer, Mr. Foreman became the oldest heavyweight champion in history and he hailed his victory at the time as one “for all my buddies in the nursing home and all the guys in the jail.”

As Mr. Foreman watches the tape of Mr. Moorer crumpling to the mat, part of a boxing retrospective that ESPN is shooting at Gleason’s, he beams. “Play that again,” he says to no one in particular, softly chuckling to himself. The knockout was the culmination of an unlikely return to the ring that Mr. Foreman staged in his later years, well after he had retired. He has often said that he ended his retirement to prove that nobody is too old for a comeback.

But Mr. Foreman confides in an interview that something else actually drove him back into boxing in the late 1980’s, and it had nothing to do with proving the meaninglessness of an AARP card. Having blown about $5 million, made mostly, he says, during his salad days as a young champion, he desperately needed the money he could earn by fighting again. A former street thug from Houston, accustomed to dispassionately cutting down the most ferocious of men, Mr. Foreman was on the verge of bankruptcy in the 1980’s — and it terrified him.

“It was frightening, the most horrible thing that can happen to a man, as far as I am concerned,” he says. “Scary. Frightening. Nervous. I had a family, people to take care of — my wife, my children, my mother. I haven’t gotten over that yet.”

Pondering his glimpse into the abyss a moment longer, Mr. Foreman’s eyes tighten: “It was that scary because you hear about people being homeless and I was only fractions, fractions from being homeless.”

UNLIKE many others with lush bankrolls who somehow manage to lose it all, Big George rebounded handsomely from his flirtation with bankruptcy. He earned multimillion-dollar purses boxing in the 1990’s and made tens of millions more by reinventing himself as a gentle entrepreneur, astutely peddling the best-selling hamburger grills that bear his name.

Even so, the trajectory of Mr. Foreman’s finances once had him headed into a gilded pantheon of big buckaroos who have squandered often-unimaginable sums of money, come perilously close to personal bankruptcy or completely lost their shirts. The ranks of well-heeled debtors include Thomas Jefferson, Buffalo Bill Cody, Mark Twain, Ulysses S. Grant, Debbie Reynolds, Michael Jackson, Dorothy Hamill, Robert Maxwell, Mike Tyson, Jack Abramoff and a long and pitiful cast of lottery winners.

Each of these grandees had distinct encounters with errant money management. Some of them were undone by rampant spending, others by injudicious deal-making, still others by various shades of greed, fraud or spectacularly poor investments. All of which gives rise to the same old set of questions: Why can’t those who are already wealthy restrain themselves from spending more than they have? Why do rich people, those who would seem to have all the financial padding one needs, wind up deeply in debt? Even worse, why do some of them end up broke?

Mr. Foreman, street-smart and now mindful of his wallet, has his own perceptive answers to those questions. For the man who came back from the brink, it’s all a matter of discipline and proper boundaries.

“A lot of people just don’t grow up,” he says. “I mean, 65-year-old men. They just don’t grow up. They don’t understand that money does not grow on a tree and that you’ve got to respect every dollar. Like Rip Van Winkle — the guy who slept — they party, party, party, then they wake up. ‘Oh my God!’ And they do something desperate trying to recapture what they had. And it doesn’t work like that. You must stay awake.”

David W. Latko, a money manager and radio host who recently published “Everybody Wants Your Money” (HarperCollins), a personal finance primer, reduces the mechanics of squandered wealth to handy categories. He says there are five basic ways people become rich: they inherit, marry, steal, win or earn their fortunes. Only those who earn fortunes, says Mr. Latko, tend to preserve their wealth. Inhabitants of the other four categories are more prone to be wastrels.

Posted: 20 Sep 2006, 16:01
by JC
When asked what happened to all his money Wille Pepp said something like..."It all went on fast women and slow horses."

Posted: 20 Sep 2006, 16:54
by kick asner
What happens to fighters is they get a big money fight or maybe several big money fights, or they might even get them on a regular basis. I think they think they can go out and spend all of their earnings because they assume their is another big money fight just around the corner. Few of them take into account just how quickly a fighters skills can erode. All of a sudden they are no longer in demand. I always hate to see that happen to a once great fighter where he is broke and is forced to make an ill advised comeback many times being reduced to a stepping stone.

stupid

Posted: 20 Sep 2006, 17:39
by robert.snell1
its called being stupid

Posted: 21 Sep 2006, 01:48
by generic screen name
J-C wrote:When asked what happened to all his money Wille Pepp said something like..."It all went on fast women and slow horses."
Ha classic

Posted: 21 Sep 2006, 01:59
by Jaclem
..it's been a few years since i read earnie shaver's auto bio (it's a good one)....and the thing i remember most clearly is his telling of when he built his new house all of the bathroom fixtures...in all of the bathrooms....had gold faucets and handles and shower heads.

Posted: 21 Sep 2006, 08:55
by kick asner
I defer to your knowledge on this suject Jaclem but I believe he had his home built just before his championship fight with Holmes in anticipation of more future big paydays. What he didn't anticipate was an eye injury and diminishing skills which were never really all that formidable to begin with. When the big paydays weren't forthcoming he had to fight on just to make ends meet. Like I said I thought it went something like that but am not sure. I always wondered how things turned out for Earnie if he was able to keep his home or not?

Posted: 21 Sep 2006, 09:44
by john2345
kick asner wrote: I always wondered how things turned out for Earnie if he was able to keep his home or not?
To the best of my knowledge he's been living near Liverpool, England for the past ten years, and is a popular speaker on the "after dinner circuit". I don't know the full story but I think he struggled financially for a while after he passed his peak, but by all accounts he's fairly contented these days (of course "contented" doesn't always mean "wealthy"!)

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Posted: 21 Sep 2006, 09:51
by barry
Terry McGovern, Jack Blackburn, Joe Louis, Henry Armstrong, Kid Gavilan, Beau Jack...unfortunately, the list could go on and on. I would just about bet that a higher percentage of boxers spent they're fortunes than the boxers who didn't! It's a sad, but all too common scenario of a great boxer that hits it big and makes a bundle of money only to squnader it all away! The fighters that I probably feel most sad for were those who had the misfortune of losing everything during the Great Depression, or those who lost everything through no fault of they're own.

It's very, very difficult for me to garner any kind of sympathy for someone like Tyson...his was a case of complete stupidity. A lot of people most certainly took advantage of Tyson, but a lot of it was his own doing...spending up to two million dollars for a single watch...etc. Someone who has upwards of 100+ million dollars and losses it in the manner that Tyson has really deserve no sympathy!

Posted: 21 Sep 2006, 09:55
by kick asner
With that being the case he may very well be doing alright for himself depending on how big a demand their is for his services. I believe that can be a very lucrative profesion. I know hear in the South Bend area former Notre Dame head football coach {American football} Lou Holtz was making unbelievable sums of money for a single speaking engagement, I want to say somewhere in the area of 100k per engagement but not totally sure. And that was if you could even get him. From my understanding you had to book two years in advance.

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Posted: 21 Sep 2006, 10:11
by kick asner
barry wrote:Terry McGovern, Jack Blackburn, Joe Louis, Henry Armstrong, Kid Gavilan, Beau Jack...unfortunately, the list could go on and on. I would just about bet that a higher percentage of boxers spent they're fortunes than the boxers who didn't! It's a sad, but all too common scenario of a great boxer that hits it big and makes a bundle of money only to squnader it all away! The fighters that I probably feel most sad for were those who had the misfortune of losing everything during the Great Depression, or those who lost everything through no fault of they're own.

It's very, very difficult for me to garner any kind of sympathy for someone like Tyson...his was a case of complete stupidity. A lot of people most certainly took advantage of Tyson, but a lot of it was his own doing...spending up to two million dollars for a single watch...etc. Someone who has upwards of 100+ million dollars and losses it in the manner that Tyson has really deserve no sympathy!

It might be easier to come up with a list fighters who didn't sqaunder their money. I could think of Hagler, Holmes, Frazier, Leonard and Cooney. Was always curious about Ali. Ray Robinson might have been up and down and then ended on an up note. Always wondered about Hearns and Duran. I think Alexis Argello had his money confiscated by his governmnet. Jim Braddock was a victim of the depression made it back and then some in his comeback but then lost alot of it in business ventures that went awry, which is not the same as pissing it away frivously but none the less he saw it slip through his grasp. I would have thought someone like Max Baer would have hung on to a fair portion of his money merely by the shear volume he obtained, so he probably stayed wealthy just because it would have been difficult to spend such a vast sum.

Posted: 21 Sep 2006, 10:17
by john2345
kick asner wrote:With that being the case he may very well be doing alright for himself depending on how big a demand their is for his services. I believe that can be a very lucrative profesion. I know hear in the South Bend area former Notre Dame head football coach {American football} Lou Holtz was making unbelievable sums of money for a single speaking engagement, I want to say somewhere in the area of 100k per engagement but not totally sure. And that was if you could even get him. From my understanding you had to book two years in advance.
He seems to be registered with a number of agencies that book people for such events - but there's a hell of a lot of speakers listed! There's a big range of fees for speakers, from several hundred $$ or ££ a time (Clinton, Mrs Blair, etc) down to I guess a few beers!

Ref Earnie, I pulled this (see below) off Google search - it's dated 2001

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The former heavyweight contender is now an after-dinner speaker and also has a prison ministry in Britain and the United States, and works with young people. "Everybody loves a winner," the 54-year-old Shavers said by telephone from England, where he now lives. "When you win, your dressing room is packed. But when I went back to my dressing room after losing to Jerry Quarry (in a first-round knockout) no one
was there. Even my shadow was hiding under the table."

Shavers believes a big reason for his success as an after-dinner speaker is that, "I'm from the golden era of the 1970s and people want to hear about it." He gets $1,500 a shot.

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Posted: 21 Sep 2006, 13:46
by Jaclem
..asner..thanks for filling out the details. i was going just by memory of that one from the book. i think my point about blowing a huge ammount of money is valid though, as even if injuries hadn't shortened his career, all boxers face a fading of abilities, but so many don't take that into account when they are making it big.

i'm glad to read that earnie is doing well now.

Posted: 21 Sep 2006, 13:57
by silkov
Its nice that Earnie seems to be doing well, many people still idolise the heavyweights of the 70s and for good reason... :box: :box: :box:

Posted: 21 Sep 2006, 14:18
by KOJOE90
Barney Ross lost a big chunk of his ring earnings betting on very slow horses.

Posted: 22 Sep 2006, 01:48
by Jaclem
..max baer was tossed his money around, but he was also able make decent money from his show biz ventures. his nightclubn act with maxie rosenbloom was a good gig, and he did make a few movies.

..an irony with maxie...his manager ancil hoffman put a lot of max's money into annuities that would draw interest and were to be withdrawn when max turned 50....alas...that's the age max was when he died.

Posted: 22 Sep 2006, 01:51
by Jaclem
..floyd patterson was champion before those huge purses existed, but he lived well after he retired. made some decent investments and was the coo coo spender that ruined so many others.

Posted: 22 Sep 2006, 19:52
by Martin Sosa Cameron
Other examples: Tony Canzoneri, Cleveland Williams...; in South America there are much: Vicente Rondón, José Gatica, but there are, fortunately, very good examples, like Luis Firpo ("the retired boxer most rich of the world" was a common phrase in his time), Marcelo Quiñones, Alfredo Prada and Jorge Fernández, and others, all they in a convenient economic and social position


:box: :D :TU:

Re: Boxers Who Did Well In Regards To Handling Money

Posted: 22 Sep 2006, 20:35
by Chuck1052
It is my understanding that the following fighters did
fairly well with investments, in business, or handling
money: Harry Wills, Joe Jeannette, Gene Tunney,
Luis Firpo, Oscar De La Hoya, Floyd Patterson,
Fernando Vargas, Sugar Ray Leonard, Larry Holmes,
Joe Frazier, Evander Holyfield, George Foreman, and
Billy Conn.

- Chuck Johnston

Posted: 22 Sep 2006, 23:15
by Martin Sosa Cameron
Decagon wrote:
Martin Sosa Cameron wrote:Other examples: Tony Canzoneri, Cleveland Williams...; in South America there are much: Vicente Rondón, José Gatica, but there are, fortunately, very good examples, like Luis Firpo ("the retired boxer most rich of the world" was a common phrase in his time), Marcelo Quiñones, Alfredo Prada and Jorge Fernández, and others, all they in a convenient economic and social position


:box: :D :TU:
I hear that Firpo had a ton of money. I guess when you put Jack Dempsey down for the 10-count and don't win the match, you never have to worry about paying for a meal again.



:TU:

Posted: 22 Sep 2006, 23:21
by Martin Sosa Cameron
Other boys who were in a good position: Rocky Marciano, José Lectoure (founder and owner of the Luna Park Stadium of Buenos Aires, C.F.), Jack Dempsey, Eduardo Lausse, Horacio Accavallo, Louis Acaries...


:lol:

Re: Jack Dempsey

Posted: 23 Sep 2006, 00:53
by Chuck1052
Both Jack Dempsey and Benny Leonard lost a lot of
money due to the Great Depression. That is the
reason why Leonard made a comeback and
Dempsey fought in a long exhibition tour
during the early 1930s. Dempsey also was
a longtime greeter at the New York City
restaurant bearing his name, a referee, a
promoter, and a publicity man. By the way,
it appears that Dempsey didn't have a large
estate when he died.

- Chuck Johnston

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Posted: 23 Sep 2006, 00:56
by barry
>>>I hear that Firpo had a ton of money. I guess when you put Jack Dempsey down for the 10-count and don't win the match<<<

You pull silly nonsense out of your ass almost daily, but this is right at the top of some of your most ridiculous of comments...try actually reading and watching instead of always assuming :TU: !

Posted: 23 Sep 2006, 02:40
by Martin Sosa Cameron
Chuck,
I'm surprised :o , because all time, reading old Argentinian boxing magazines, Dempsey was mentioned as the proprietor of a restaurant, and in a good position [ :) ?], but may be an error; I take your fact as the truthful, thanks!

:D

Posted: 23 Sep 2006, 03:13
by Martin Sosa Cameron
Decagon,

honestly, I don't know what thinks all the 39,000,000 of Argentinians (there isn't only one or two inhabitants in this country; and, I believe, they don't think unanimously), then, I don't know their ideas concerning that fight of Firpo. By the way, Dempsey-Firpo was a Long Count as Tunney-Dempsey II. Firpo was a rich man, and I'm happy for that: the boxing is very good too if the fighters managed correctly their profit


Decagon,

honestly, I don't know if you wants to talk of boxing or if you wants to use boxing as a pretext for to distract many of the enthusiast participants of this excellent Forum. I love the sense of humor, but I make an enormous effort for to write in "English" and I wants answers --funny or not in the form-- but of a serious content