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Sven "the legend" Ottke

Posted: 13 Oct 2006, 10:33
by pundit
As this weekend will produce a (truly) united super-middleweight champion for the first time ever, let's for a moment comemorate the man who came closest to achieving this feat in the recent past: the great German super-middleweight Sven "the legend" Ottke.

After an extraordinarily sucessful amateur career, Ottke came to professional boxing late but soon won a belt against the -- at the time -- world's strongest super-middleweight beltholder, the US American Charles Brewer. Ottke defended the title a total of 21 times, against highly regarded opponents like Glencoffe Johnson, Anthony Mundine, Charles Brewer (refight), Thomas Tate (twice), James Butler, Silvio Branco -- many of them future beltholders themselves. At his peak -- around 1999/2000 - Ottke was near-impossible to beat, combining excellent defense with outstanding footspeed and ring generalship.

In 2003 -- when Ottke was already well beyond his peak -- he unified the WBA and IBF titles against Byron Mitchell. Another unification fight with the third major beltholder - Eric Lucas -- was in the works but did not come about after Lucas lost his title to Ottke's stablemate Markus Beyer. Ottke's following fights, against Mads Larsen and Robin Reid, showed that he had slowed markedly and he duly retired. Until the end, however, Ottke fought top-notch competition, in contrast to so many other paper-champs who take the easy route and accept only fights they are sure to win.

This weekend either Mikkel Kessler or Markus Beyer will achieve the feat that circumstances did not permit Ottke to achieve: unify the two major super-middleweight belts -- WBC and WBA -- and emerge as the truly unified champion of the division. Props to them. If Beyer wins -- and he certainly has a chance -- questions about his legitimacy will remain, however, as there have been too many lacklustre and doubtful performances in his career. These quibbles do not apply to the bout's favorite, however, the great Dane Mikkel Kessler.

If Kessler wins, he will be a worthy successor to Sven Ottke as the dominant fighter of the super-middleweight division.

Cheers,
P :TU:

Posted: 13 Oct 2006, 11:59
by Wrists
C2ute - mate you have been reeled in

Pundit is a bona fide Kessler hugger :D

Hey pundit - check out my preview of JC's fight tomorrow night on BBN!!

Regards

Wrists

Posted: 13 Oct 2006, 12:10
by Razor
Robin Read beat this jokes ass, ref saved that so called champ that night, worse refereeing I've EVER seen, Reid won that fight easily if it wasnt for the referee and you cant say otherwise pundit, if you aint seen the fight get it viewed, thats how corrupt boxing can be sometimes, it proved it that night.

Posted: 13 Oct 2006, 12:22
by nickd
Pundit is a pudendum pure and simple, don't rise to it.

Posted: 13 Oct 2006, 12:24
by pundit
nickd wrote:Pundit is a pudendum pure and simple, don't rise to it.
This was not a nice thing to say :cry: :cry:

Posted: 13 Oct 2006, 12:44
by lvlarc
Pundit does make me laugh :TU: :lol: :TU:

Posted: 13 Oct 2006, 13:54
by Autobarn
Ottke was very good, in his own way.

I was wondering, was it down to his cautious style that 'Condomi' Ottke wore safe sex logos on his back?

Posted: 13 Oct 2006, 14:13
by Taki...
Pundit is Pringle in disguise. Ottke was awful to watch (at best), and having seen him struggle to beat the mediocre David Starie, lose on at least two other occasions (in everyones mind, but the judges), and see the referee and judges make a mockery of boxing in the Ottke/Reid fight, I fail to see how the man can have any non-German fans.
If Calzaghe's career is questionable, Ottke's is beyond a joke.

Posted: 13 Oct 2006, 14:14
by computerrank
... Boxrec statistics are very clear ...

Calzaghe 7 #1 rankings
Ottke 0 #1 rankings

Ottke is an all timer in Super Middleweight, but never was better than Calzaghe.

Super Middleweight 1999 848.4 Joe Calzaghe
Super Middleweight 1999 733.3 Mads Larsen
Super Middleweight 1999 568.3 Robin Reid
Super Middleweight 1999 567.0 Dana Rosenblatt
Super Middleweight 1999 545.7 Sven Ottke

Super Middleweight 2000 1573.3 Joe Calzaghe
Super Middleweight 2000 961.6 Sven Ottke

Super Middleweight 2001 1438.2 Joe Calzaghe
Super Middleweight 2001 1083.3 Sven Ottke

Super Middleweight 2002 1340.4 Joe Calzaghe
Super Middleweight 2002 1156.4 Sven Ottke

Super Middleweight 2003 1440.6 Joe Calzaghe
Super Middleweight 2003 1128.4 Sven Ottke

Super Middleweight 2004 1492.6 Joe Calzaghe
Super Middleweight 2004 1131.5 Sven Ottke

Super Middleweight 2005 1831.1 Joe Calzaghe

... and 2006 seems to follow with Calzaghe #1

Posted: 13 Oct 2006, 20:14
by Max Molyneux
I can;t believe Pundit is so retarded to say Calzaghe and Lacy was not a good unification fight.

If Joe fights the winner of Kessler and Beyer than he'd do what Hopkins has done by holding all 4 titles. If HBO are showing these guys then theres a possibility it's going to happen.

This is Kessler's step up Pundit, lets see if can step it up against his best opponent.

Posted: 13 Oct 2006, 21:27
by pundit
Max Molyneux wrote:I can;t believe Pundit is so retarded to say Calzaghe and Lacy was not a good unification fight.

If Joe fights the winner of Kessler and Beyer than he'd do what Hopkins has done by holding all 4 titles. If HBO are showing these guys then theres a possibility it's going to happen.

This is Kessler's step up Pundit, lets see if can step it up against his best opponent.
I'd say his best opponent was Mundine, but Beyer is a close second.

Winner Kess/Bey vs. Joe - bring it on! Joe has done enough to be considered the #1 challenger for the unified champ. :TU:

But anyway, this thread is a tribute to the great Sven Ottke, and has at best indirectly to do with Calzaghe.

Posted: 14 Oct 2006, 06:48
by Gary_V
Um let's not congratulate Ottke.

A man who lost at least 5 of those defences, relied on shameful refereeing and corrupt judges.

That's not real boxing - it's an illusion.