who is the greatest boxer of all time
Posted: 19 Oct 2006, 21:25
who in your mind is the greatest boxer of all time from way back all the way to present
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Posted: 19 Oct 2006, 21:28
I think this belongs in the boxers of the past forum. I'd say Sugar Ray Robinson is generally regarded as the greatest boxer of all time.
Posted: 19 Oct 2006, 21:30
see thats funny cause i think that jake lamotta may be the greatest of all time
Posted: 19 Oct 2006, 21:33
Yeah that is funny. Ultimately it's all down to opinion. If you asked me I'd say Salvador Sanchez, but that's farfetched. Most people agree that Sugar Ray Robinson, Henry Armstrong, and such are the greatest of all time. There's plenty of good lists in the boxers of the past forum.arizona80 wrote:see thats funny cause i think that jake lamotta may be the greatest of all time
Personally though, I think it's Robinson if I wasn't drunk.Posted: 19 Oct 2006, 21:33
arizona80 wrote:see thats funny cause i think that jake lamotta may be the greatest of all time
maybe even hopkins of the present time may be the best ever to step in that beautiful ring
Posted: 19 Oct 2006, 21:35
Really, I think this belongs in boxers of the past. I'd say Hagler and Monzon could both beat Hopkins, but you never know.arizona80 wrote:arizona80 wrote:see thats funny cause i think that jake lamotta may be the greatest of all time
maybe even hopkins of the present time may be the best ever to step in that beautiful ring
Posted: 19 Oct 2006, 21:36
Um, no. Willie Pepp, Muhammed Ali, and Ray Robinson are tops on my list.arizona80 wrote:arizona80 wrote:see thats funny cause i think that jake lamotta may be the greatest of all time
maybe even hopkins of the present time may be the best ever to step in that beautiful ring
Posted: 19 Oct 2006, 21:38
Mattyp151 wrote:Um, no. Willie Pepp, Muhammed Ali, and Ray Robinson are tops on my list.arizona80 wrote:arizona80 wrote:see thats funny cause i think that jake lamotta may be the greatest of all time
maybe even hopkins of the present time may be the best ever to step in that beautiful ring
see ray did alot of exibition fights what every one now is getting on tyson about ali ok but he didnt know when to quit it kinda ruined him to me at least and pepp come on now lamotta and hopkins are my to best ever
Posted: 19 Oct 2006, 22:25
I like Hopkins but best ever?
No way.
In their primes, I'd take RJJ over Hopkins 8 times out of 10.
But Sugar Ray is generally regarded by majority of the public, experts, and even many of the best fighter ever (like Ali) as the greatest ever.
No way.
In their primes, I'd take RJJ over Hopkins 8 times out of 10.
But Sugar Ray is generally regarded by majority of the public, experts, and even many of the best fighter ever (like Ali) as the greatest ever.
Posted: 19 Oct 2006, 23:11
roy jones over hopkins 8 out of 10 you must be blind my dude
Posted: 19 Oct 2006, 23:17
Barry Michael from Australia, as every time there is a fight the commintaters refer to him as "the great" Barry Michael.
Ross
Ross
Posted: 20 Oct 2006, 00:17
I can see there's a few trolls in here.
Posted: 20 Oct 2006, 01:57
Melody Jackson aka Henry D Armstrong!!!!! 8)
Honourable mention to Eder Jofre.
Honourable mention to Eder Jofre.
Posted: 20 Oct 2006, 02:22
..why are so many saying this belongs in boxers of the past...when that's where it is?
..taking the word "boxer" to mean pure boxing skill i'd say willie pep..."fighter"? ..nothing original here..i think sugar ray.
..taking the word "boxer" to mean pure boxing skill i'd say willie pep..."fighter"? ..nothing original here..i think sugar ray.
Posted: 20 Oct 2006, 06:41
Ray Robinson
Henry Armstrong
and all others can go underneath...
Henry Armstrong
and all others can go underneath...
Posted: 20 Oct 2006, 06:59
I'd say Robinson, Armstrong and Pepp with the rest underneathsockdollanger wrote:Ray Robinson
Henry Armstrong
and all others can go underneath...
Posted: 20 Oct 2006, 07:33
I agree, Pep was so damn good it wasnt even fair. I have Armstrong and Robinson ahead only because they were able to be great in several divisions. Absolutely no knock on Pep. Is his name spelled with one or two P's?J-C wrote:I'd say Robinson, Armstrong and Pepp with the rest underneathsockdollanger wrote:Ray Robinson
Henry Armstrong
and all others can go underneath...
Posted: 20 Oct 2006, 07:46
Sorry it's one p that's a typosockdollanger wrote:I agree, Pep was so damn good it wasnt even fair. I have Armstrong and Robinson ahead only because they were able to be great in several divisions. Absolutely no knock on Pep. Is his name spelled with one or two P's?J-C wrote:I'd say Robinson, Armstrong and Pepp with the rest underneathsockdollanger wrote:Ray Robinson
Henry Armstrong
and all others can go underneath...
hs birth name was Guglielmo Papaleo. It's a fair point you make regarding weight classes. Ranking Pep up as part of a separate group of three also raises the question of where exactly to rank Saddler.
Pep's win record was phenominal for the days when unbeaten streaks were much harder to come by he was 63-0 when he lost to the great Sammy Angott and then didn't lose again till he met saddler when he was 135-1-1
Posted: 20 Oct 2006, 07:54
Streaks of wins like that and also of Robinsons (128-1-2 before his second defeat, to Turpin) will NEVER happen again! Truly remarkable any way you look at it.J-C wrote:Sorry it's one p that's a typosockdollanger wrote:I agree, Pep was so damn good it wasnt even fair. I have Armstrong and Robinson ahead only because they were able to be great in several divisions. Absolutely no knock on Pep. Is his name spelled with one or two P's?J-C wrote: I'd say Robinson, Armstrong and Pepp with the rest underneath
It's a fair point you make regarding weight classes. Ranking Pep up as part of a separate group of three also raises the question of where exactly to rank Saddler.
Pep's win record was phenominal for the days when unbeaten streaks were much harder to come by he was 63-0 when he lost to the great Sammy Angott and then didn't lose again till he met saddler when he was 135-1-1
Posted: 20 Oct 2006, 09:24
Willie Pep was the best I reckon. Henry Armstrong was the greatest.
Posted: 20 Oct 2006, 09:42
Harry Greb and Roberto Duran haven't been mentioned yet, although they are surely among the candidates.
Posted: 20 Oct 2006, 09:59
Harry Greb could easily be rated as the greatest, with Roberto Duran being the best in terms of ability.pundit wrote:Harry Greb and Roberto Duran haven't been mentioned yet, although they are surely among the candidates.
Posted: 20 Oct 2006, 10:51
1000 men? What are you smoking?Decagon wrote:When I'm asked who the greatest fighter of all time is, I answer, "Muhammad Ali." If you ask me who the greatest fighter of all time, pound-for-pound, you'll get a different answer. Although I thoroughly enjoy a pound-for-pound discussion, Ali could simply beat any man who lived. So could Joe Louis. So could (gulp) Sonny Liston. I mean, any human being you put into the ring with them... gone. Sugar Ray Robinson was incredible at 147, but even at 160, there were plenty of men who could beat him. At 175, there have been hundreds. At heavyweight, thousands.
Think of that; 1000 men who could've beaten Robinson. Who could beat Ali in his prime?
Think of the top HWs in history. It only amounts to several hundred fighters (500-600 at most). You are telling me a 170 lb Robinson loses to HW journeyman like Chuck Wepner, Sedrick Fields, and, if you're saying 1000, we are going all the way done to the Kenny Cravens of boxing history.
A simple weight and strength advantage is not going to beat a fighter as slick, fast, and skilled as Ray Robinson . . .I don't care if he's outweighed by 90 lbs.
Posted: 20 Oct 2006, 16:53
Boxing is very, very rich in greatest, fabulous fighters; the best of all? It isn't easy. Any names like Gene Tunney, Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Stanley Ketchell, Harry Greb, Benny Leonard, Roberto Durán, Willie Pep, Eder Jofre, Pascual Pérez, Henry Armstrong (and others so much), each one of them had his supports as the best of all, and each one had solid reasons
Posted: 20 Oct 2006, 17:00
The gut feeling is to answer Muhammed Ali or Sugar Ray Robinson here. I have to be honest, I'm biased towards Ali in this instance. Ali was everything to everyone in the ring. He was a showman and a clown, a fighter and a boxer. The guy could dance, he could brawl, and he had fun the entire time. When I watch, I want to be entertained. Different guys entertain in different ways. Gatti with his heart and guts, Tyson with his controlled madness in the ring, Robinson with his ability to make any ring a canvas for his art. However, Ali just made you smile when he was on his game, and that is enough to win me over.