BoxRec

Okay here's the rule(s) you have to examine all the boxers and decide who (in your opinion are the worst) on the list...

You MUST add the following points total to the according boxers...

-5 points (the worst boxer)
-4 points (the 2nd worst boxer)
-3 points (the 3rd worst boxer)
-2 points (the 4th worst boxer)
-1 point (the 5th worst boxer)

+ 1 point (the 3rd best boxer)
+ 2 points (the 2nd best boxer)
+ 3 points (THE BEST BOXER)

YOU MAY BEGIN NOW!


10 Muhammad Ali
10 Joe Louis
10 Rocky Marciano
10 George Foreman
10 Joe Frazier
10 Jack Dempsey
10 Jack Johnson
10 Larry Holmes
10 Mike Tyson
10 Sonny Liston
10 Lennox Lewis
10 Gene Tunney
10 Max Schmeling
10 Jersey Joe Walcott
10 Ezzard Charles
10 Max Baer
10 Ken Norton
10 Evander Holyfield
10 Floyd Patterson
10 Billy Conn

10 Muhammad Ali +3
10 Joe Louis +2
10 Rocky Marciano
10 George Foreman
10 Joe Frazier
10 Jack Dempsey
10 Jack Johnson
10 Larry Holmes +1
10 Mike Tyson
10 Sonny Liston
10 Lennox Lewis
10 Gene Tunney
10 Max Schmeling
10 Jersey Joe Walcott -1
10 Ezzard Charles
10 Max Baer -4
10 Ken Norton -3
10 Evander Holyfield
10 Floyd Patterson -2
10 Billy Conn -5 (at heavywegiht. Not pfp, of course)

I for one can't rank boxers 1 through to whatever,
because every system of rating has it's flaws, only when we include the 4 "objective" pionts that I mentioned on another thread is it a more "fair" & accurate ranking...

of these fighters I can tell you who the bottom two are:

Lennox Lewis
Floyd Paterson

Conn's NOT a HW, but a far better fighter/boxer than LL and p4p a true great...LL in my opinion Doesn't Rate..!

pundit wrote:10 Muhammad Ali +3
10 Joe Louis +2
10 Rocky Marciano
10 George Foreman
10 Joe Frazier
10 Jack Dempsey
10 Jack Johnson
10 Larry Holmes +1
10 Mike Tyson
10 Sonny Liston
10 Lennox Lewis
10 Gene Tunney
10 Max Schmeling
10 Jersey Joe Walcott -1
10 Ezzard Charles
10 Max Baer -4
10 Ken Norton -3
10 Evander Holyfield
10 Floyd Patterson -2
10 Billy Conn -5 (at heavywegiht. Not pfp, of course)

If I understand this system, I am in agreement for the most part with Pundit. I'm not sure where he rates Holyfield; I guess would have him at +1. Of couse I wouldn't have Schmeling at +1, but we have already argued about Schmeling enough.

Overall, pretty good ratings.

10 Muhammad Ali +3
10 Joe Louis +2
10 Rocky Marciano
10 George Foreman
10 Joe Frazier
10 Jack Dempsey
10 Jack Johnson +1
10 Larry Holmes
10 Mike Tyson
10 Sonny Liston
10 Lennox Lewis
10 Gene Tunney
10 Max Schmeling
10 Jersey Joe Walcott -2
10 Ezzard Charles
10 Max Baer -4
10 Ken Norton -1
10 Evander Holyfield
10 Floyd Patterson -3
10 Billy Conn -5

Name the 3 best and the FIVE worst??
Why focus on the negatives more??

10 Muhammad Ali +2
10 Joe Louis +3
10 Rocky Marciano
10 George Foreman
10 Joe Frazier
10 Jack Dempsey
10 Jack Johnson +1
10 Larry Holmes
10 Mike Tyson
10 Sonny Liston
10 Lennox Lewis
10 Gene Tunney
10 Max Schmeling
10 Jersey Joe Walcott -3
10 Ezzard Charles
10 Max Baer -5
10 Ken Norton -1
10 Evander Holyfield
10 Floyd Patterson -2
10 Billy Conn -4

It seems an odd choice to include Billy Conn at all. Top 5 light heavy but not on many people's all time hw lists

J-C wrote:It seems an odd choice to include Billy Conn at all. Top 5 light heavy but not on many people's all time hw lists

Yep, I'd rather have put Jim Jeffries or Jack Sharkey there. Anyway, seems Conn will be out soon anyway.

pundit wrote:

J-C wrote:It seems an odd choice to include Billy Conn at all. Top 5 light heavy but not on many people's all time hw lists

Yep, I'd rather have put Jim Jeffries or Jack Sharkey there. Anyway, seems Conn will be out soon anyway.

Certainly Jeff must have been an oversight.

-5 points (the worst boxer)
-4 points (the 2nd worst boxer)
-3 points (the 3rd worst boxer)
-2 points (the 4th worst boxer)
-1 point (the 5th worst boxer)

+ 1 point (the 3rd best boxer)
+ 2 points (the 2nd best boxer)
+ 3 points (THE BEST BOXER)


10 Muhammad Ali + 3
10 Joe Louis + 2
10 Rocky Marciano
10 George Foreman
10 Joe Frazier
10 Jack Dempsey
10 Jack Johnson
10 Larry Holmes +1
10 Mike Tyson
10 Sonny Liston
10 Lennox Lewis
10 Gene Tunney
10 Max Schmeling -2
10 Jersey Joe Walcott -1
10 Ezzard Charles
10 Max Baer -3
10 Ken Norton -4
10 Evander Holyfield
10 Floyd Patterson
10 Billy Conn -5

Okay, here's an update of the system...

Billy Conn.....OUT
Max Baer.....OUT
Ken Norton.....OUT

THEY WILL NEVER COME BACK!!!!!!
HERE IS THE CURRENT STANDINGS: KEEP VOTING!


24- Muhammad Ali
21- Joe Louis
13- Larry Holmes
12- Jack Johnson
11- Evander Holyfield
10-Rocky Marciano
10-George Foreman
10-Joe Frazier
10-Jack Dempsey
10-Mike Tyson
10-Sonny Liston
10-Gene Tunney
10-Ezzard Charles
09- Lennox Lewis
08- Max Schmeling.
02- Jersey Joe Walcott
01- Floyd Patterson

24- Muhammad Ali +1
21- Joe Louis +2
13- Larry Holmes
12- Jack Johnson
11- Evander Holyfield
10-Rocky Marciano +3
10-George Foreman
10-Joe Frazier
10-Jack Dempsey
10-Mike Tyson
10-Sonny Liston
10-Gene Tunney -4
10-Ezzard Charles -3
09- Lennox Lewis
08- Max Schmeling. -5
02- Jersey Joe Walcott -1
01- Floyd Patterson -2

Oh boy, the guys are dropping like flies now.....

Floyd Patterson.....OUT
Jersey Joe Walcott......OUT
Max Schmeling.....OUT

AND SO, WE'RE DOWN TO OUR LAST 14...

KEEP VOTING!!!!!

26- Muhammad Ali
25- Joe Louis
16- Larry Holmes
13- Rocky Marciano
12- Jack Johnson
11- Evander Holyfield
10- George Foreman
10- Joe Frazier
10- Jack Dempsey
10- Mike Tyson
10- Sonny Liston
08- Lennox Lewis
06- Gene Tunney
05- Ezzard Charles

26- Muhammad Ali +2
25- Joe Louis +3
16- Larry Holmes
13- Rocky Marciano
12- Jack Johnson +1
11- Evander Holyfield -2
10- George Foreman
10- Joe Frazier
10- Jack Dempsey
10- Mike Tyson -3
10- Sonny Liston
08- Lennox Lewis -1
06- Gene Tunney -4
05- Ezzard Charles -5

26- Muhammad Ali +3
25- Joe Louis +2
16- Larry Holmes +1
13- Rocky Marciano
12- Jack Johnson
11- Evander Holyfield -1
10- George Foreman -4
10- Joe Frazier
10- Jack Dempsey
10- Mike Tyson
10- Sonny Liston -5
08- Lennox Lewis -2
06- Gene Tunney
05- Ezzard Charles -3

Nice game


26- Muhammad Ali +3
25- Joe Louis +2
16- Larry Holmes +1
13- Rocky Marciano -1
12- Jack Johnson
11- Evander Holyfield -5
10- George Foreman
10- Joe Frazier
10- Jack Dempsey -2
10- Mike Tyson -3
10- Sonny Liston
08- Lennox Lewis
06- Gene Tunney
05- Ezzard Charles -4

Ambling Alp wrote:If I understand this system, I am in agreement for the most part with Pundit. I'm not sure where he rates Holyfield; I guess would have him at +1. Of couse I wouldn't have Schmeling at +1, but we have already argued about Schmeling enough.

Overall, pretty good ratings.

Holyfield is the third best heavyweight AT for you? Are you serious?

I open the next round.

Ezzard Charles and Gene Tunney are OUT

37- Muhammad Ali
34- Joe Louis
19- Larry Holmes
13- Jack Johnson
12- Rocky Marciano
10- Joe Frazier
06- Jack Dempsey
06- George Foreman
05- Sonny Liston
04- Lennox Lewis
03- Evander Holyfield
01- Mike Tyson

And my vote:

37- Muhammad Ali +3
34- Joe Louis +2
19- Larry Holmes +1
13- Jack Johnson
12- Rocky Marciano -2
10- Joe Frazier -1
06- Jack Dempsey -3
06- George Foreman
05- Sonny Liston
04- Lennox Lewis
03- Evander Holyfield -5
01- Mike Tyson -4

37- Muhammad Ali +3
34- Joe Louis +2
19- Larry Holmes +1
13- Jack Johnson -1
12- Rocky Marciano
10- Joe Frazier
06- Jack Dempsey -2
06- George Foreman
05- Sonny Liston -3
04- Lennox Lewis
03- Evander Holyfield -4
01- Mike Tyson -5

Time for a new round.

Tyson, Holyfield and Dempsey are OUT. Of these Dempsey was the last to leave, so he is #10.

Still in are:

46- Muhammad Ali
40- Joe Louis
22- Larry Holmes
12- Jack Johnson
09- Joe Frazier
08- Rocky Marciano
06- George Foreman
02- Sonny Liston
01- Lennox Lewis

And my vote:

46- Muhammad Ali +3
40- Joe Louis +2
22- Larry Holmes +1
12- Jack Johnson
09- Joe Frazier -4
08- Rocky Marciano -5
06- George Foreman -1
02- Sonny Liston -2
01- Lennox Lewis -3

This makes Lewis #9 and Liston #8.

Decagon wrote:46- Muhammad Ali +3
40- Joe Louis +2
22- Larry Holmes +1
12- Jack Johnson
09- Joe Frazier -1
08- Rocky Marciano -4
06- George Foreman -3
02- Sonny Liston -1
01- Lennox Lewis -5

Frazier -1 or Liston -1?

Rocky Marciano is gone and #7.