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CBS just interviewed a writer (George Lois) who has a new book out called "Ali Rap" and claims that Ali opened the door and began the seeds of rap music and may have been one of the most significant contributors to Rap and Hip Hop...Barry Gordy and Ludicrous appear to concur.

Ali shouldn't be blamed for rap music. This plague wasn't his fault.

Well, did they mention Gorgeous George when they were passing out this lavish praise?
Probably not.
Hell Johnny Cash sang "Boy named Sue".
Thats a rap song how come he doesnt get credit for startin it?

expug wrote:Well, did they mention Gorgeous George when they were passing out this lavish praise?
Probably not.
Hell Johnny Cash sang "Boy named Sue".
Thats a rap song how come he doesnt get credit for startin it?

Expug...good observations but George the Author seems to do a pretty good job of putting it in perspective.....George the Wrestler did not do quite the same rhythms or rhymes though Ali did copy many of the antics.......Johnny's "Conversational Sue" was not overly rhyming or rhythmical as well. Napolean the XVI comes a bit closer but I can't remember if that song was before Ali or not.

I think his point is that Ali was rhyming, rhythyming, and being on the edge of civil acceptability which has much in common with "spirit" of rap and hip hop and many of the artists are giving him credit for putting the "seed" of this idea into their heads.

Some will "blame" others will "credit" this. I understand that aspect. But it is an interesting take.

BoxBuzz wrote:

expug wrote:Well, did they mention Gorgeous George when they were passing out this lavish praise?
Probably not.
Hell Johnny Cash sang "Boy named Sue".
Thats a rap song how come he doesnt get credit for startin it?

Expug...good observations but George the Author seems to do a pretty good job of putting it in perspective.....George the Wrestler did not do quite the same rhythms or rhymes though Ali did copy many of the antics.......Johnny's "Conversational Sue" was not overly rhyming or rhythmical as well. Napolean the XVI comes a bit closer but I can't remember if that song was before Ali or not.

I think his point is that Ali was rhyming, rhythyming, and being on the edge of civil acceptability which has much in common with "spirit" of rap and hip hop and many of the artists are giving him credit for putting the "seed" of this idea into their heads.

Some will "blame" others will "credit" this. I understand that aspect. But it is an interesting take.

To be honest I think the idea that Ali helped bring about the idea of Rap is ok, but if you take it any further then that it's absolutely ridiculous considering how Rap actually sprung about from Hip Hop that was infused with Dancehall Reggae elements such as toasting (a rhythmic chanting of words to get ppl to dance).

And Barry Gordy and Ludacris are the last people who I'd consider as fuckin authorities on Rap music. If somebody like Rakim or Nas were to agree however their argument would hold more weight considering they're probably two of the most respected practitioners of rap music for their almost unparallelled skill and complexity as well as their longevity.

P.S. When I saw the title of this thrhead I cringed simply because I have experience with Hip Hop and Rap threads on many forums and some ignorant-ass uncultured philistine whiteboy always comes in here running his fuckin mouth when he doesn't know jack fuckin shit about anything Hip Hop. Those are the same bastards that would hate Rock music if it was still ran by black people.

...the only thing I was bringing up was the fact that this book has been written and it was interesting....and yes the writer is a white male if that has significance......and he only seems to be saying that Ali was one of perhaps many people who inspired this music but that the "spirit" of his particular contribution was significant. So much so he thought to document it.

sorry you've had a bad time on this subject in other forums hopefully this experience will be different....

BoxBuzz wrote:...the only thing I was bringing up was the fact that this book has been written and it was interesting....and yes the writer is a white male if that has significance......and he only seems to be saying that Ali was one of perhaps many people who inspired this music but that the "spirit" of his particular contribution was significant. So much so he thought to document it.

sorry you've had a bad time on this subject in other forums hopefully this experience will be different....

Well I do agree that he did have some significance, since he brought the idea of clever rhymes/snaps to a mainstream audience and like I mentioned in the other thread helped plant the seeds in people's minds that one day a genre of music could be based completely around such wordplay and boasting.

I too am working on a book trying to link Ali to inventing other notables such as Jazzercise, the Flo-bee, and the Thigh-Master.

I am sure if one tries real hard, they can make a case for Ali getting credit for all three. His star will burn even brighter and I will be able to push some books and make a few pennies for myself.

When in doubt, attach your theory to a cultural icon and you can get your book deal.

Did you know that Lucile Ball invented the color TV? She did so so that Americans would associate all red-hair comediens with her.

Well Ali also made it clear that he "don't want you livin' with roaches". So he also began the "War on drugs".

Ali also invented or helped the development of.

Toopthpaste.
Paper clips.
Lava Lamps.
Smoothies.
DAB Radio.
Corn plasters.
Breakfast.
Light Bulbs.
The smell of diesel fumes.
Keyhole surgery.
Scooby Doo, (Srappy Doo was invented by Ron Stander)
The Dukes Of Hazzard TV series.
Sun stroke.
The sound a Goose makes when it breaks wind on a foggy morning.
The UK town of Stoke On Trent.
Debbie Harry.
Staffordshire Bull Terriers.
The phrase "Better out than in"
Breeze blocks.
24/7 Petrol stations.
White Chocolate.
The name 'Colin'.
P.M.T.
Bunk beds.

I knew that.

Wasnt it Benny Hill?

Check out Lord Buckley (circa 1951) This bloke sounds like the blackest guy in the world but looks like a retired british army major ,a real pioneer of the time

KOJOE90 wrote:Ali also invented or helped the development of.
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Excellent list, Kojoe - that must've required an impressive amount of research (or bong water before breakfast).

The sound a Goose makes when it breaks wind on a foggy morning

The technical term for that is "frapping," and I must clear up a common misunderstanding here - Ali didn't invent the *sound* (the goose did that), rather Ali's brilliant contribution here was the invention of the so-called frapping coefficient, which is the standard scientific measure of the loudness of the frapping. (Specifically, the frapping coefficient, commonly denoted C_f, is defined as the fraction of goose-flatulence energy which is converted into audible noise by way of turbulentce-driven resonant standing-wave eddies as the hot gases pass through the anal sphincter orifice, producing fowl noises and smells, as it were. This is sometimes followed by a "fowl movement," but not inevitably.)

He, he, "The Ali Frap."