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Hatton's prime?
Posted: 08 Jan 2007, 14:59
by Rocky Balboa
To date, Hatton best peformance was his title-winning effort against Tszyu. He has fought Maussa and Collazo since. Some feel he was lucky to get the verdict against Luis.
His style does not bode well for a longevity. Ricky has been in some tough bouts, cut a lot. On top of that, he's 28. May not seem old, but given the above-mentioned, Ricky may be an 0ld-28, if you know what I mean?
Do you guys think Hatton will ever reach the level of the Tszyu battle again, and is Ricky still yet to reach his prime? What can Hatton go on to achieve in the remainder of his career?
Posted: 08 Jan 2007, 15:17
by caster
personally, I feel we've already seen the best of Hatton...but I'll be happy to be proved wrong.
Posted: 08 Jan 2007, 15:33
by The Hawk
I think there is plenty of fight left in Hatton, he's not looks as good from Tszyu, but that was a fight that would of put the fear of god in him and its those types of fights that will rise a boxers game.
The last two fights were not that well put together in terms of what was going on in the back ground and when he fought at Welterweight, weeks before he was prepairing for a Light Welter fight. I think we'll see a much better Hatton in this fight, he knows he's to prove something and he's back at 140 pounds. Style wise, this is Hattons type of fight, so I think we'll see Hatton for what he's famed for.
If the Castillo fight comes off, I'd expect to see Hatton to bring his A Game to the ring as this is the type of fight that will burn his fire

Posted: 08 Jan 2007, 15:40
by stujones
I don't think Hatton is slipping, and I don't necessarily think Tszyu was a career best performance - career best win no doubt. I think Hatton was technically better vs Tackie.
His sheer strength, workrate, youth and desire got to Tszyu - however, for the mid rounds Tszyu was outclassing Hatton.
I honestly don't think Hatton is THAT much better than when he was bowling over the likes of Tony Pep and Freddie Pendleton.
Posted: 08 Jan 2007, 16:22
by weeman26
Hattons Performance against Tszyu was superb...i saw it with my own eyes! Then the maussa fight...He was never going to be an easy opponent, his dirty tactics pushed hatton to the limit and make him work for the win...which hatton made sure he done in style! His ko was the ko of the year by sky sports!
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Collazo was a real tough opponent i think this fight was a big mistake and he was lucky to get away with a points decision...collazo was a heavy fighter at welter and has now moved to lightmiddle which shows he had a huge advantage over hatton! Urango doesn't seem to have huge credits to his name but this just could mean the unknown! Lets just hope hatton can carry on with his winning ways!
Posted: 08 Jan 2007, 16:23
by weeman26
Hattons Performance against Tszyu was superb...i saw it with my own eyes! Then the maussa fight...He was never going to be an easy opponent, his dirty tactics pushed hatton to the limit and make him work for the win...which hatton made sure he done in style! His ko was the ko of the year by sky sports!
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Collazo was a real tough opponent i think this fight was a big mistake and he was lucky to get away with a points decision...collazo was a heavy fighter at welter and has now moved to lightmiddle which shows he had a huge advantage over hatton! Urango doesn't seem to have huge credits to his name but this just could mean the unknown! Lets just hope hatton can carry on with his winning ways!
Posted: 08 Jan 2007, 18:19
by monkeybusiness
I think it's too early to ask this question. Perhaps after the Urango fight we can see if the Collazo fight was a one off or if he is slipping.
Posted: 08 Jan 2007, 18:31
by dbf
weeman26 wrote:Hattons Performance against Tszyu was superb...i saw it with my own eyes! Then the maussa fight...He was never going to be an easy opponent, his dirty tactics pushed hatton to the limit and make him work for the win...which hatton made sure he done in style! His ko was the ko of the year by sky sports!
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Collazo was a real tough opponent i think this fight was a big mistake and he was lucky to get away with a points decision...collazo was a heavy fighter at welter and has now moved to lightmiddle which shows he had a huge advantage over hatton! Urango doesn't seem to have huge credits to his name but this just could mean the unknown! Lets just hope hatton can carry on with his winning ways!
Collazo is still a welter isn't he? He's fighting Mosely at welter. He was never huge at 147, and as I seem to remember Hatton outweighed him on fight night.
Posted: 08 Jan 2007, 18:38
by Taki...
There's probably some truth in Hatton producing big performances against big names (1 for 1 as it stands

). Maussa, Collazo and Urango aren't exactly inspiring (much like Hatton's performances), but (hopefully) Castillo in the summer will see Hatton back to his best.
Posted: 08 Jan 2007, 18:38
by m1kee50
i saw an article recently saying that Frank Lampard has played the amount of minutes of football of a typical 31 yr old. same logic applies in boxing. if you have fought the rounds of a typical 31 yr old, theres only so manyu times u can go to the well. that and all the cuts, the weight making, etc etc
Posted: 08 Jan 2007, 19:06
by weeman26
dbf wrote:weeman26 wrote:Hattons Performance against Tszyu was superb...i saw it with my own eyes! Then the maussa fight...He was never going to be an easy opponent, his dirty tactics pushed hatton to the limit and make him work for the win...which hatton made sure he done in style! His ko was the ko of the year by sky sports!
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Collazo was a real tough opponent i think this fight was a big mistake and he was lucky to get away with a points decision...collazo was a heavy fighter at welter and has now moved to lightmiddle which shows he had a huge advantage over hatton! Urango doesn't seem to have huge credits to his name but this just could mean the unknown! Lets just hope hatton can carry on with his winning ways!
Collazo is still a welter isn't he? He's fighting Mosely at welter. He was never huge at 147, and as I seem to remember Hatton outweighed him on fight night.
The fight with mosely was scheduled to take place at light middleweight but now it doesn't specify what weight it's being fought at! If what you said about hatton being heavier on fight day is true that prob just means he was overweight...for him! He is definately not a welter thus moving back down weight! Whereas collazo is! I just hope hatton stays where he is now and concentrates on getting back to dominating the division!
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Posted: 08 Jan 2007, 19:06
by weeman26
dbf wrote:weeman26 wrote:Hattons Performance against Tszyu was superb...i saw it with my own eyes! Then the maussa fight...He was never going to be an easy opponent, his dirty tactics pushed hatton to the limit and make him work for the win...which hatton made sure he done in style! His ko was the ko of the year by sky sports!
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Collazo was a real tough opponent i think this fight was a big mistake and he was lucky to get away with a points decision...collazo was a heavy fighter at welter and has now moved to lightmiddle which shows he had a huge advantage over hatton! Urango doesn't seem to have huge credits to his name but this just could mean the unknown! Lets just hope hatton can carry on with his winning ways!
Collazo is still a welter isn't he? He's fighting Mosely at welter. He was never huge at 147, and as I seem to remember Hatton outweighed him on fight night.
The fight with mosely was scheduled to take place at light middleweight but now it doesn't specify what weight it's being fought at! If what you said about hatton being heavier on fight day is true that prob just means he was overweight...for him! He is definately not a welter thus moving back down weight! Whereas collazo is! I just hope hatton stays where he is now and concentrates on getting back to dominating the division!
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Posted: 08 Jan 2007, 19:30
by Max Molyneux
Hatton was a Welter as an amatuer though?
He weighs as much as a middle going into the ring too.

Posted: 08 Jan 2007, 19:37
by dookus
Max Molyneux wrote:Hatton was a Welter as an amatuer though?
He weighs as much as a middle going into the ring too.

He wasn't a welter for very long, Brahmer made sure sure of that
Posted: 08 Jan 2007, 20:08
by nickd
Mosley v Collazo is at welter.
Posted: 08 Jan 2007, 21:56
by OLD-LONDON-RULES
For me this is the most exiting part of Hattons career....because he is soon to be exposed.
I can't wait!
Posted: 08 Jan 2007, 22:44
by states
OLD-LONDON-RULES wrote:For me this is the most exiting part of Hattons career....because he is soon to be exposed.
I can't wait!
I've read this sort of thing a few times on the internet. And what a load of bollocks it is. How is Hatton going to be 'exposed' now? Are you seriously telling me that Hatton is going to be beaten by the likes of Urango? And if that should happen, are you really going to claim that Hatton was exposed as a fraud because he beat an all-time great, but then lost to a relative nobody? Bullshit, all of it. I sometimes get the feeling that Junior Witter has registered on boards like this. Tszyu may have been past his best. But Hatton fought him to a standstill. How Hatton can be 'exposed' against lesser fighters is beyond me. Unless there are people that genuinely believe that the likes of Urango are better than Tszyu.
Hatton may well be beaten in the next few years. But he's established himself as a proper world champion. There is no way of 'exposing' him, because it'll take a terrific fighter to beat him.
Posted: 08 Jan 2007, 22:46
by OLD-LONDON-RULES
states wrote:OLD-LONDON-RULES wrote:For me this is the most exiting part of Hattons career....because he is soon to be exposed.
I can't wait!
I've read this sort of thing a few times on the internet. And what a load of bollocks it is. How is Hatton going to be 'exposed' now? Are you seriously telling me that Hatton is going to be beaten by the likes of Urango? And if that should happen, are you really going to claim that Hatton was exposed as a fraud because he beat an all-time great, but then lost to a relative nobody? Bullshit, all of it. I sometimes get the feeling that Junior Witter has registered on boards like this. Tszyu may have been past his best. But Hatton fought him to a standstill. How Hatton can be 'exposed' against lesser fighters is beyond me. Unless there are people that genuinely believe that the likes of Urango are better than Tszyu.
Hatton may well be beaten in the next few years. But he's established himself as a proper world champion. There is no way of 'exposing' him, because it'll take a terrific fighter to beat him.
We'll see whos talking dog sh!t.
Posted: 09 Jan 2007, 04:35
by m1kee50
old_london, i think the issue is with the wording.
Beaten rather than exposed i reckon - any fight fan can see where Hatton is weak. Same as any fight fan should see where any boxer is/was weak
A naturally bigger man with a good jab (Paul Williams eg. if Hatton had stayed at 147) will trouble him.
He cuts easily. He can be loose technique-wise when he gets into a combination (esp. to the body).
And there is always the possibility that the weight making will drain him too much at some point.
And then he will lose. But seeing as we all know all the above, how can he be 'exposed'?
---Edit: And, as the man above said, he fought Kostya Tsyzu, and Kostya didnt lay down for him. losing is (almost) an inevitabilty in boxing, but losing to Urango, or Castillo, will not turn him into a fighter who got lucky to get so far in his career.
Posted: 09 Jan 2007, 09:57
by Scrap
Stu Jones aint to far of the truth
Posted: 09 Jan 2007, 11:05
by KO Artist
Max Molyneux wrote:Hatton was a Welter as an amatuer though?
He weighs as much as a middle going into the ring too.

Ricky Hatton weighed 158 lbs in the ring against Collazo.
As a comparison its worth considering that in November 1983 John Mugabi weighed 158 lbs in the ring when he crushed Curtis Parker in one round.
Hatton v prime Mugabi at 158 in the ring
It doesnt bear thinking about does it.
Posted: 09 Jan 2007, 11:15
by jamesmcdonnell
Yes, but I'm sure Mugabi walked around nearer 170 lbs, he was a much bigger man than Hatton by far.
Hatton's biggest problem stylistically is that he is not a devastating puncher. He has to wear his opponents down, which means he will have to maintain a frantic workrate to continue prevailing at top level. As soon as he moves up in weight, he loses some of his physical advantages and his punch power is depleted.
Hatton, like McGuigan could go into decline pretty quickly, as their styles are quite similar in many respects, he may already be past his best, as at 28 his stamina and speed may not be what they were at 25, and I do think he has slowed a little.
It will be very interesting to see how he looks against Urango, as Urango is reported to be tough as nails. Will Hatton try and outbox him like he did against Tackie, or try and chip away at him and wear him down? If he goes out there to take him out, he could be in for a hard night's work, and could end up looking sloppy and beatable.
Posted: 09 Jan 2007, 12:23
by Max Molyneux
Hatton was still able to push Callazo back, It was nothing to do with size. Hatton was a welterweight as an amatuer.
Southpaw counter punchers nearly always trouble Hatton. He barely had any defence at all In that fight and thats why he won a close fight.
If Hatton can give Callazo a close fight with barely any defence, then I think Mosley will win pretty clearly.
Posted: 09 Jan 2007, 12:27
by jamesmcdonnell
Mosley is a long way past his prime though. Don't be foold by his performance against the shell of Vargas. Vargas had been physically wrecked for a long time.
Posted: 09 Jan 2007, 12:29
by Max Molyneux
Didn't see the Vargas fight.
Vargas is one dimensional, stiff with his punches and but strong, so no wonder Mosley found the fightt easy.