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This fight is at Welterweight Now Castillo was good at cutting off the ring but Duran was excellant and had much better handspeed threw combination's to the head and body from different angles Could pbf stay away all 12 rounds with his feet and counterpunch to victory? I predict pbf would get KO'd late in the fight or lose a one sided UD

Duran would maul PBF then knock him out

I think it would be a great fight right up until the great splat.

The so called pretty boy would have to change his self given nickname after this one

is that a fact?

This old-timer nuthugging is EXACTLY what's wrong with this forum.[/quote]

That's pretty rude,considering Duran,was a true legend.A motivated Duran,that wanted to fight,wouldn't be frustrated like he was against Leonard,he'd slip and slide,cut the ring off,and punish young Floyd about the head & body(kidneys included)and rough him up MOST violent! No nuthugging here,just stating the obvious.Floyd couldn't hurt Duran,and he would have an edge in speed,BUT back then,Duran's hands and reflexes were a lot quicker.Duran would slip a lot of punches,the ones that did land wouldn't faze him,but they would allow him to be close enough to punish the "unaccustomed to being punished Mayweather".Mayweather would lose by a late rounds ravaging tko(maybe even quit?)
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Yeah it's sacrilege to even mention Floyd Mayweather's name in the same sentence as Roberto Duran's. I mean, other than winning World Titles at JLW-LW-JWW-WW, challenging for the JMW title in his 38th bout, going undefeated, never coming close to losing or being hurt, and making an excellent Carlos Baldomir look like a pastry chef in his last bout, what the hell has Mayweather ever done !

Well Dec I know alot of people believe Leonard lost the first fight because he fought Durans it was just Leonard couldn't create separation because Duran was on him like a Fat kid on cake look at Duran He fought with such determination He just wasn't going to be denied that night when Duran was motivated he had some great performances.. Heck If Castillo could almost get the job done what makes you think Duran couldn't Besides I loved it how he called out Benitez afterward..



Yeah it's sacrilege to even mention Floyd Mayweather's name in the same sentence as Roberto Duran's. I mean, other than winning World Titles at JLW-LW-JWW-WW, challenging for the JMW title in his 38th bout, going undefeated, never coming close to losing or being hurt, and making an excellent Carlos Baldomir look like a pastry chef in his last bout, what the hell has Mayweather ever done !

Excellent? No one has said he hasn't done anything But calling Carlos The Feather Duster Baldomir Excellent is pushing it If i wanted to here some positive things from Pbf i'd Pm that Matty guy.. ^^

Decagon wrote:Roberto Duran was only a man. He did lose to DeJesus, and he could've lost by DQ against Buchanan. He came around right when a great era of lightweights was at its end and ruled over a weak division. Best lightweight of all time? I think so, but to say he'd never lose to anyone less than the top five lightweights of all time is simply stupid. He didn't beat enough great lightweights to really prove that.

I do agree anything can happen when two good fighters enter the ring. When we reflect we sort of work with "most likely" scenarios.

Buzz you never told us who you thought would win Oh and Dec this fight is at welterweight Not lightweight just checking Because you brought the lightweights up in here

At lightweight, Duran wins by stoppage, at higher weights, he might still win by stoppage or on points. Mayweather winning isn't out of the question in this fantasy match up, and at lightweight Mayweather easily deserves to be in everyone's top 20 all time lightweight list. I just see few fighters beating Duran at this weight. Mayweather is rarely hit, however Corley stunned him just a bit, for some reason I feel like Duran would do the same. Let's not forget Duran was an awesome body puncher at times. Castillo gave Mayweather his most competitive fight, Duran would win this competitive fight more often than not.

Duran proved his greatness by beating great fighters. Mayweather looks great but hasn't proved it yet. Floyd could win but he'd be on the wrong end in a 5 fight series.

How much can Duran milk beating Leonard? DeJesus was a borderline great, but Duran didn't sweep him the way Ezzard Charles swept Archie Moore. Buchanan was a borderline great, but who else?

Good point Decagon. Duran is an all time great, but one of the most ovverrated of the all time greats. Alot of people somehow rank him in the top five p4p of all time and every fantasy fight hes in either ends with him either mauling his opponent or using his supposedly vastly underappreciated boxing skills to befuddle him to a decision. People go on about his wins against Moore and Barkley as though he beat two dominant long reigning champions.
Also, no other fighters losses are explained away or excused like Durans.
There are even people on this site that believe he would have beaten Hearns in a rematch even though there isnt a shred of evidence in that fight that Duran could have done anything differently.
However, the most annoying thing has to be when they refer to him as an overblown lightweight when he accomplished his great feats above 135lb.
Like i mentioned in another post, Duran hadnt been a lightweight for at least two years and around 8 fights before he faced Leonard the first time. He wouldnt have made 135lbs if he tried.

Heck, Duran's a little overrated at Lightweight. People go on forever about Duran being a fighting machine, greatest ever, unbeatable etc at that weight. Realistically Benny Leonard's got him beat hands down. Talk about a fighting machine at LW, it was Benny Leonard. In a 32 day period in 1916, Leonard fought and beat Rocky Kansas, who belongs in the HOF, Johnny Dundee, a guy who's in the HOF, Sam Robideau, a decent fringe contender, Shamus O'Brien a clubfighter, and Freddie Welsh another Hall of Famer. 5 wins in 32 days over that caliber of competition tops anything Duran ever did at LW.

I would simply bet on Duran even at welterweight, but Floyd could prove to be that great, but he has not done that so far. Great fighters are more than the sum of their parts such as skills, talent, intellect and instinct. Somehow they transcend what they should be based on the math. Duran was one of those as was Benny. Will Floyd become that? Quite possibly. He's our best bet of all the current fighters going to achieve such status IMHO.

Benny and Roberto both fit the "transcendence" mold. And I would bet on Duran against Benny as well. (And I have lost a few bets along the way.) Don't be so critical about his rave reviews he was truly an awesome spectacle to behold in person. I really think Antonio Cervantes is vastly underated and Aaron Pryor somewhat over rated. And I have seem them all with my own eyes multiple times in person.

But I have not seen Benny.....nor have any of you I woudl bet..at least not live. I will admit when you see a force of nature it can leave you with a bias but it also educates you as to what is real.

Mayweather just may live up to greatness, but he is doing it in an age where it's harder to get credit for such greatness. IMHO.

Who believes Duran could of won a rematch against Hearns? Saying his Top 5 All Time P4P is nothing to be ashamed about He was a great fighter You guys are hating on Manos De Piedra!

Victor*KC wrote:Who believes Duran could of won a rematch against Hearns? Saying his Top 5 All Time P4P is nothing to be ashamed about He was a great fighter You guys are hating on Manos De Piedra!

For the record...I think that fight was a fluke and typically it would be far more competitive...everybody has "one of those days".

Decagon wrote:

BoxBuzz wrote:I would simply bet on Duran even at welterweight.

You'd bet on Archie Moore against Ezzard Charles. Who cares?

As closely as those two were honestly matched and with Archie getting better and Ezzard on the wane...wouldn't you have bet on Archie on the next one..if there had been a next one?

Be brutaly honest and you will have to eat your words...so it's ok to be silent on this one....people will understand and not hold it against you.

C'mon , give me(and Roberto) some kind of challenge.

"The winner by knockout and still Champion,RRRobertooo Durrraaannnn!"

is there a date where Archie might have a shot? Or Could Ezz have just dropped back in and taken the LHW title at his leisure?

Decagon wrote:

Ezzard wrote:Duran proved his greatness by beating great fighters. Mayweather looks great but hasn't proved it yet. Floyd could win but he'd be on the wrong end in a 5 fight series.

How much can Duran milk beating Leonard? DeJesus was a borderline great, but Duran didn't sweep him the way Ezzard Charles swept Archie Moore. Buchanan was a borderline great, but who else?

What is remarkable was that a fat, uninspired lightweight could still be competitive with MWs when he should have retired 6-7 years previously.

But really I don't think the spotlight should be on Duran's achievements but on Floyd's.

BoxBuzz wrote:is there a date where Archie might have a shot? Or Could Ezz have just dropped back in and taken the LHW title at his leisure?

IMO there's nothing much between them to the eye, but the record stands. You make a good argument, Buzz. Moore would have won one sooner or later (and very nearly did).

Well a lot of people would agree with you about that. And then there's me.

theone wrote:

How much can Duran milk beating Leonard? DeJesus was a borderline great, but Duran didn't sweep him the way Ezzard Charles swept Archie Moore. Buchanan was a borderline great, but who else?

Good point Decagon. Duran is an all time great, but one of the most ovverrated of the all time greats. Alot of people somehow rank him in the top five p4p of all time and every fantasy fight hes in either ends with him either mauling his opponent or using his supposedly vastly underappreciated boxing skills to befuddle him to a decision. People go on about his wins against Moore and Barkley as though he beat two dominant long reigning champions.
Also, no other fighters losses are explained away or excused like Durans.
There are even people on this site that believe he would have beaten Hearns in a rematch even though there isnt a shred of evidence in that fight that Duran could have done anything differently.
However, the most annoying thing has to be when they refer to him as an overblown lightweight when he accomplished his great feats above 135lb.
Like i mentioned in another post, Duran hadnt been a lightweight for at least two years and around 8 fights before he faced Leonard the first time. He wouldnt have made 135lbs if he tried.

There is not greater Duran HATER than this guy. Must be Puerto Rican

There is not greater Duran HATER than this guy. Must be Puerto Rican

I dont hate Duran at all. I agree he is an all time great, and although I slightly favor Whitaker, Duran is arguably the greatest lightweight ever. His win over prime Leonard was an awesome accomplishment.
However, I still believe he is overrated to an extent for the reasons i've already mentioned. I think Durans macho personality and crowd pleasing style tends to getting him rated higher than he should.
And you are correct, I am Puerto Rican. However, race or nationality has never had anything to do with how I feel about fighters. In fact i have never considered a puerto rican fighter one of my favorites. Julio Cesar Chavez, for the record is my favorite fighter of all time. That wouldnt be so if I let race or nationality dictate what fighters I favor.