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Mayweather is an exceptional athlete,and kind of reminds me of an earlier Meldrick Taylor(pre-Chavez).But I think Taylor is much more rugged and durable,with more heart,than Young Floyd.I personally don't think that FM has the grit to hang in there like Taylor did.Plus Taylor was known for his Henry Armstrong like whirlwind offense.He was outpunching Chavez 2 to 1.Taylor's pride wanted him to outpunch Chavez,had he moved and boxed,using his speed and skills,he had a better chance.But I don't think he would have come as close to winning,had he boxed,it was his dogged determination that allowed him to build that lead.Chavez cuts the ring off on the boxers.The fleetest of foot,fastest of hand,usually at some point,get cut off,and battered.It's discouraging to the opponent,who lands his best,on an unblinking Chavez,who keeps coming,pounding that body,alternating to the head,NEVER allowing you to rest.FM has never been beat up.He has never come across the man,who could handle his extreme speed and angles,and hurt him,not once,twice,but continually.This is a case of "Substance over Style".Chavez would cut the ring off,hit him,hurt him,and beat him up,like he has never been beat.Mayweather doesn't have the heart to endure this kind of beating.Chavez by a late rd,t.k.o.And this would occur at either weight.( and as always unless someone specifies differently,this would take place while both were in their primes at these weights)
zuru

Close fight but I think Mayweather can pull out a SD Question how many rounds

Decagon wrote:

Victor*KC wrote:Close fight but I think Mayweather can pull out a SD Question how many rounds

Given that neither man ever fought a 15-round fight, 12 would be fair.

Who do you have winning?

Decagon wrote:How can you talk negatively about Mayweather's "grit" when he's never even been slowed down in a fight?

that's my whole point,if a fighter never gets into deep water,how can you asume he has grit?usually they turn out to be high ability guys,who pack it in when faced with adversity,Roy Jones Jr is a fine example.when has floyd ever been given a REAL fight,by someone who competed evenly,or close to even?
zuru

zuru wrote:

Decagon wrote:How can you talk negatively about Mayweather's "grit" when he's never even been slowed down in a fight?

that's my whole point,if a fighter never gets into deep water,how can you asume he has grit?usually they turn out to be high ability guys,who pack it in when faced with adversity,Roy Jones Jr is a fine example.when has floyd ever been given a REAL fight,by someone who competed evenly,or close to even?
zuru

I think Castillo gave him a hard fight amd although close Mayweather did enough to win. Its hard to say who would win but i think that Mayweather has quicker hands and feet and would beat Chavez to the punch for a UD.

Mayweather has a huge advantage in speed and footwork and defense. He will I feel be just too slick and quick and also he hits harder than Taylor, takes less or will take less than Taylor and has the stamina and chin tom hang with JC. Julio will be chasing a ghost, a bit like V Whitaker, only Floyd I think poses more trouble than even Pea did. Slick fast fighters are Julio's conquerors

walshb wrote:Mayweather has a huge advantage in speed and footwork and defense. He will I feel be just too slick and quick and also he hits harder than Taylor, takes less or will take less than Taylor and has the stamina and chin tom hang with JC. Julio will be chasing a ghost, a bit like V Whitaker, only Floyd I think poses more trouble than even Pea did. Slick fast fighters are Julio's conquerors

Not saying that I'm right,but I have to disagree.We're not talking about the faded Chavez who was a bit ringworn,but the hair-trigger reflexed one,that glued himself in front of his man,banging on him from his beltline to the top of his head,everything in between.And it was ALL hard punches,maybe not "blow you out,one punch crunchers",but short,stiff,canny,flush shots,that never stop.I also don't know that Mayweather punches harder than Taylor,maybe crisper,but not harder.In a twelve, Chavez would take a one-sided (maybe tko)decision,but in a 15,a definite stoppage for Chavez.

Mayweather is one of those guys who fits inbetween either being over rated or under rated. He's either one of the p4p best of all times, or he is a notch or two below it. One things is for certain though, it seems no matter who they throw at him, none of them come close to beating him. It caertainly cannot be because the division lacks talent and ability, for there are numerous Junior Welters and Welterweights with the potential to go far. But I also think that there has relatively been no one out there, who has really given him a real fight, a genuine war.

Julio Cesar Chavez was one of the hardest punchers of the smaller men, was one of the best lil men of all time and quite possibly the greatest latino fighter of modern and/or all times. How can you really argue? The man was unbeaten in his first 90 or so fights and held numerous titles in various divisions.

It's really a tough call to make, because Mayweather in almost all categories, but for power, is slightly ahead of Chavez in speed, defense etc. But Mayweather hasn't ever fought the kind of guys Chavez has, hasn't quite faced that kind of adversity before. If there was a man out there who could nullify Mayweather's speed and defense, he would have one helluva chance, but it would still be a long shot.

Is Mayweather the best fighter p4p today? There's no doubt in my mind that he is. But I don't think he's ever really faced a real opponent with all the elements, the tools, the style needed to take on Mayweather. I think had Mayweather and Chavez fought, I think it would be close. Split decision for Mayweather, but hit with alot of hard shots.

IrishRufusMurphy wrote:Mayweather is one of those guys who fits inbetween either being over rated or under rated. He's either one of the p4p best of all times, or he is a notch or two below it. One things is for certain though, it seems no matter who they throw at him, none of them come close to beating him. It caertainly cannot be because the division lacks talent and ability, for there are numerous Junior Welters and Welterweights with the potential to go far. But I also think that there has relatively been no one out there, who has really given him a real fight, a genuine war.

Julio Cesar Chavez was one of the hardest punchers of the smaller men, was one of the best lil men of all time and quite possibly the greatest latino fighter of modern and/or all times. How can you really argue? The man was unbeaten in his first 90 or so fights and held numerous titles in various divisions.

It's really a tough call to make, because Mayweather in almost all categories, but for power, is slightly ahead of Chavez in speed, defense etc. But Mayweather hasn't ever fought the kind of guys Chavez has, hasn't quite faced that kind of adversity before. If there was a man out there who could nullify Mayweather's speed and defense, he would have one helluva chance, but it would still be a long shot.

Is Mayweather the best fighter p4p today? There's no doubt in my mind that he is. But I don't think he's ever really faced a real opponent with all the elements, the tools, the style needed to take on Mayweather. I think had Mayweather and Chavez fought, I think it would be close. Split decision for Mayweather, but hit with alot of hard shots.

IRM,
I agree with most everything you say,EXCEPT the outcome.To me Chavez is THE BEST, bar none, in the 130-140lb range,in a very long time,and belongs at the top of the all time best fighter list,if not no.1,just a couple of notches below.And while Mayweather did get hit by Castillo(who I happen to like,but he is a poorman's version of Chavez,similar styles/skills,just not the caliber of Chavez)Castillo is no Chavez.And the quality of Chavez opponents is a "who's who" list of very good fighters.It's not Mayweather's fault,he has bested everything available to him,but they are not the caliber of what Chavez has faced,and methodically demolished.I think Mayweather is an excellent fighter,and it's hard to find faults in him,I just think Chavez is the one who would expose them.****VIVA CHAVEZ!!!!

Its a really hard fight to pick a winner in. Its one of those 50/50 fights in my opinion. Flip a coin, its greatly possible for either man to win. You can make one helluva case for either guy. The best p4p fighter of today vs one of the best p4p fighters of all time. It really is a hard decision to make.

Julio Cesar Chavez was certainly one of the best fighters of modern times, of all times. But whose to say Mayweather isn't as well? Myself I would like to see him take on Hatton after De La Hoya. Hatton has the type of style, in my view, to take away some of Mayweather's attributes, that is if Hatton can stay in shape (drinking etc). I would also like to see Mayweather jump up a weight class to see him test himself, to show us what he is really about. If not, I think Mayweather will be one of those definite question marks of where his place will be in an all-time p4p ranking.

IrishRufusMurphy wrote:Its a really hard fight to pick a winner in. Its one of those 50/50 fights in my opinion. Flip a coin, its greatly possible for either man to win. You can make one helluva case for either guy. The best p4p fighter of today vs one of the best p4p fighters of all time. It really is a hard decision to make.

Julio Cesar Chavez was certainly one of the best fighters of modern times, of all times. But whose to say Mayweather isn't as well? Myself I would like to see him take on Hatton after De La Hoya. Hatton has the type of style, in my view, to take away some of Mayweather's attributes, that is if Hatton can stay in shape (drinking etc). I would also like to see Mayweather jump up a weight class to see him test himself, to show us what he is really about. If not, I think Mayweather will be one of those definite question marks of where his place will be in an all-time p4p ranking.

5 weight classes are not enough?
for gods sake man lets just put him in with wladimir and see if he can take the heat.
floyd will never get the recognition he deserves until long after his retirement.he reminds me of larry holmes,in the sense that neither
were accepted by the public.

Maybe I am being too harsh, but until I see Mayweather do something on the lines of a Leonard, Duran or Hearns then I can't really give him a real good judgement. Those guys went from Lightweight to Super MW for crying out loud and dominated. Let's see him take on a MW champion, a solid one, and see what happens.

Middle would be too much for Floyd Irish the guy is going to have his first loss at 154 oh and to MEISINGER I think you mean 4 weight classes.


1st Title Esteban De Jesus > Genaro Hernandez

2nd Title Esteban De Jesus > Jose Luis Castillo By a little

3rd Title Sugar Ray Leonard >>>>>>>>>>>>> Arturo Gatti

4th title Davey Moore > Carlos Manuel Baldomir The Judah that fought Floyd beats baldomir

I'd do the rest of the fighters but their closest in terms of where they started "weight class"

Let's stick to the fantasy fight. Who cares how many titles either man won.
Floyd will never be a middle or above and nor was Julio. One thing is for certain, at 140lbs and below, both were fantastic fighters. Now though I feel Julio has an advantage in maybe power and stamina, Floyd's amazing defense, elusiveness and speed of hand and foot will make Julio look ponderous. I think Mayweather is even better than Pea. He's faster and hits harder and more often. Chavez has to get Floyd to stay still to win, and even then it's no guarantee. I think Floyd's use of the ring and his blinding speed will see JC eating a lot of punches and still Floyd is nowhere to be seen

Personally I think prime versions of both at 135 and 140 would make fantastic fights, but like whoever mentioned Castillo and his abilities I think is correct in applying that logic to Chavez who was a better all-around fighter and by looking at the two very close JLC-PBF fights I think Chavez would've won a close decision if not a late TKO or KO depending on just how many of those shots he'd be able to land flushly, he was incredibly accurate though.

It's very close. Chavez did run down Camacho who was a slick speedster. Whittaker had his number, although I do feel that Chavez was just over the brow of his peak powers and was fighting in a division that was a step too far.

Mayweather is a class act.

I can't pick a winner but this would make a great series of fights.

At lightweight Chavez mauls him.

130 would be a lot closer.

Whitaker beat JCC hands down when they fought.....and M. Taylor beat JCC up until the last 10 seconds.....

Speed caused JCC all sorts of problems...... We all know PBF has speed to burn....

At the same time Castillo gave PBF two very tough fights...and at LW...JCC was as step above Castillo (IMO)....

My head says PBF would have beat JCC via Dec simply because of his speed (and more power then Whitaker had).....My gut says JCC either stops PBF late or wins a very close Dec....

Mayweather in a boring unanimous decision. Taylor connected 2-1, but Floyd would connect 2-0. He'll play it incredibly safe and score a lackluster decision.

Chavez is a better overall fighter than Castillo, but lets give credit where its due Castillo fought an extremely smart fight.

Whilst Whittaker-Chavez seems to be the template for this fight on this thread, and Dec has already dismissed my reference to Camacho (although there must be something in it even if it's not that salient here), I look at Mayweather's fight with Castillo and even Judah (where Mayweather struggled for 3-4 rounds) and think Chavez would win more rounds than they did.

This fight would eb a beauty over 15 with an immediate rematch.

[quote="Ezzard"]Whilst Whittaker-Chavez seems to be the template for this fight on this thread, and Dec has already dismissed my reference to Camacho (although there must be something in it even if it's not that salient here), I look at Mayweather's fight with Castillo and even Judah (where Mayweather struggled for 3-4 rounds) and think Chavez would win more rounds than they did.

This fight would eb a beauty over 15 with an immediate rematch.[/quote]

I recently saw large portions of the Whitaker/Chavez fight. Although, I thought Whitaker got the best of it, I was amazed at Chavez's ability to cut of the ring and continually be in Sweet Pea's face. In addition to being very fast, Pea was extremely elusive (angles, very low crouching stance at times) and was left handed. Given Chavez's ability to continue to apply pressure and cut off the ring, I can't imagine Mayweather could avoid engaging with Chavez.

Also, given Chavez's great chin and heart, I would expect a Chavez TKO.