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Witter - 140lbs Undisputed Champ?
Posted: 09 Feb 2007, 16:44
by ALI
I would never have allowed this thought to enter my mind 1 year ago........... but it is far from inconcevable now.
Current 140lbs champions:
Witter - WBC
Ndou - IBF (should be announced very soon, we think)
Mbaye - WBA
Assuming Ndou is made champion........ he has already called out Witter for a unification fight. Witter should bite his hand off, take his title, then look to set up a unification with the winner of Mbaye/Kotelnik with the winner being announced undisputed champ.
Witter could conceavably become the undisputed champ by beating two fighters he has already beaten! Crazy!
But, would Warren get in the way of that final unification? I'm not sure. Aassuming it all happens, Witter could be undisputed champ by the end of the summer! Would Hatton have the gaul to refuse the fight then, i doubt it!
Also, If Kotelnik does beat Mbaye in March, and Witter having already beaten both Ndou & Kotelnik, he has a solid claim to being the ruler of the division (especially seeing as Hatton refuses to fight him).
And all that from a non-Witter fan!

Posted: 09 Feb 2007, 17:33
by Smigga
thats a joke right???
i know what your gettin at like, but cmon?
Hatton has never lost a title in the ring
he has the belt that matters most. The Ring Magazine Belt
Posted: 10 Feb 2007, 08:31
by DG.
Smigga wrote:thats a joke right???
i know what your gettin at like, but cmon?
Hatton has never lost a title in the ring
he has the belt that matters most. The Ring Magazine Belt
But - apart from KT.
Who has hatton gought and beaten?.
Seems he strugles with anyone under 35 years old.
That Ring belt is not what it once was .
Posted: 10 Feb 2007, 08:59
by jomothepure
I don't want to take a Witter/Hatton side in this, but if we're talking "who has Hatton beaten" then the same could be said of Witter.
If we look at the last 4 fights (beginning after the zoo fight, which is where the "undisputed at 140" argument is coming from) then Hatton has
Zoo, Maussa, Collazo, Urango. Now, his last 3 fights have not set the heather alight, but then again one was a unification, one at a higher weight, and one to reclaim the IBF title.
Witter's last 4 have been against Kotelnik, Lynes, Corley and Morua. Against Kotelnik and Lynes he did not look particularly good. Kotelnik could arguably operate at world class, but Lynes...I can't see an excuse for that to be honest. And the Corley and Morua match-ups are not exactly thrilling - Corley was 3-3 from his last 6, having already been beaten by PBF, Cotto and Judah, with only victories against journeymen amongst these. And the Morua is not exactly operating at world class. He lost clearly to Ben Rabah, who lost (closely) to Urango, who...
So I don't want to be labelled a Hatton nut hugger here. I don't for one minute like the fact that he's ducking Witter - and if he's not ducking him, then he's certainly making it look like it is. However, if we're basing who's the best at 140 right now, then on recent opposition and performance I really can't see how Witter could be picked over Hatton
Re: Witter - 140lbs Undisputed Champ?
Posted: 10 Feb 2007, 09:33
by The Hawk
ALI wrote:I would never have allowed this thought to enter my mind 1 year ago........... but it is far from inconcevable now.
Current 140lbs champions:
Witter - WBC
Ndou - IBF (should be announced very soon, we think)
Mbaye - WBA
Assuming Ndou is made champion........ he has already called out Witter for a unification fight. Witter should bite his hand off, take his title, then look to set up a unification with the winner of Mbaye/Kotelnik with the winner being announced undisputed champ.
Witter could conceavably become the undisputed champ by beating two fighters he has already beaten! Crazy!
But, would Warren get in the way of that final unification? I'm not sure. Aassuming it all happens, Witter could be undisputed champ by the end of the summer! Would Hatton have the gaul to refuse the fight then, i doubt it!
Also, If Kotelnik does beat Mbaye in March, and Witter having already beaten both Ndou & Kotelnik, he has a solid claim to being the ruler of the division (especially seeing as Hatton refuses to fight him).
And all that from a non-Witter fan!


Posted: 10 Feb 2007, 09:39
by Phenomenal-Nutrition
If Witter unifies it will be like when Marquez and Pac were at 126 - 1 linear champ and 1 unified champ. 2 kings of the division, can anyone smell a controversal draw if they meet?
Posted: 10 Feb 2007, 10:58
by DG.
jomothepure wrote:
I don't want to take a Witter/Hatton side in this, but if we're talking "who has Hatton beaten" then the same could be said of Witter.
If we look at the last 4 fights (beginning after the zoo fight, which is where the "undisputed at 140" argument is coming from) then Hatton has
Zoo, Maussa, Collazo, Urango. Now, his last 3 fights have not set the heather alight, but then again one was a unification, one at a higher weight, and one to reclaim the IBF title.
Witter's last 4 have been against Kotelnik, Lynes, Corley and Morua. Against Kotelnik and Lynes he did not look particularly good. Kotelnik could arguably operate at world class, but Lynes...I can't see an excuse for that to be honest.
And the Corley and Morua match-ups are not exactly thrilling - Corley was 3-3 from his last 6, having already been beaten by PBF, Cotto and Judah, with only victories against journeymen amongst these. And the Morua is not exactly operating at world class. He lost clearly to Ben Rabah, who lost (closely) to Urango, who...
So I don't want to be labelled a Hatton nut hugger here. I don't for one minute like the fact that he's ducking Witter - and if he's not ducking him, then he's certainly making it look like it is. However, if we're basing who's the best at 140 right now, then on recent opposition and performance I really can't see how Witter could be picked over Hatton
Lynes was lack pf motivation imo.
Kotleink will be a World Champ soon.
Morua was SUPPOSED to be a come forward pressure fghter - but he changed hs tactics one he felt a few shots i think.
Bottom line is - Witter is what is RIGHT with the sport ( wanting the big fights and working hard when you have been frozen out or deemed undesirable).
Hatton is what is wrong ( easiest route possible and ducking the real fights).
Hatton's days are numbered.
Posted: 10 Feb 2007, 12:02
by OLD-LONDON-RULES
DG. wrote:jomothepure wrote:
I don't want to take a Witter/Hatton side in this, but if we're talking "who has Hatton beaten" then the same could be said of Witter.
If we look at the last 4 fights (beginning after the zoo fight, which is where the "undisputed at 140" argument is coming from) then Hatton has
Zoo, Maussa, Collazo, Urango. Now, his last 3 fights have not set the heather alight, but then again one was a unification, one at a higher weight, and one to reclaim the IBF title.
Witter's last 4 have been against Kotelnik, Lynes, Corley and Morua. Against Kotelnik and Lynes he did not look particularly good. Kotelnik could arguably operate at world class, but Lynes...I can't see an excuse for that to be honest.
And the Corley and Morua match-ups are not exactly thrilling - Corley was 3-3 from his last 6, having already been beaten by PBF, Cotto and Judah, with only victories against journeymen amongst these. And the Morua is not exactly operating at world class. He lost clearly to Ben Rabah, who lost (closely) to Urango, who...
So I don't want to be labelled a Hatton nut hugger here. I don't for one minute like the fact that he's ducking Witter - and if he's not ducking him, then he's certainly making it look like it is. However, if we're basing who's the best at 140 right now, then on recent opposition and performance I really can't see how Witter could be picked over Hatton
Lynes was lack pf motivation imo.
Kotleink will be a World Champ soon.
Morua was SUPPOSED to be a come forward pressure fghter - but he changed hs tactics one he felt a few shots i think.
Bottom line is - Witter is what is RIGHT with the sport ( wanting the big fights and working hard when you have been frozen out or deemed undesirable).
Hatton is what is wrong ( easiest route possible and ducking the real fights).
Hatton's days are numbered.
I don't like it when fagz jump on the bandwagon and try to make points i was bringing up 5 years ago their own, but the Africoon is right on this one.
Posted: 10 Feb 2007, 12:23
by DG.
OLD-LONDON-RULES wrote:I don't like it when fagz jump on the bandwagon and try to make points i was bringing up 5 years ago their own, but the Africoon is right on this one.
Hello you Chav Retard. Hows you mum?.
Not seen her since she last drank from my stiff shaft.
Say hi to her for me.

Posted: 10 Feb 2007, 14:56
by holyfields_ear
Witter this, Witter that

He really is being made to look like a bit of a tool by his promoter who keeps releasing these press statements every fortnight. Shame on some of you for believing them.
DG. wrote:
Morua was SUPPOSED to be a come forward pressure fghter - but he changed hs tactics one he felt a few shots i think.
Bottom line is - Witter is what is RIGHT with the sport ( wanting the big fights and working hard when you have been frozen out or deemed undesirable).
Hatton is what is wrong ( easiest route possible and ducking the real fights).
Hatton's days are numbered.
Morua was SUPPOSED to be a quick impressive blowout for Witter but once again he dropped the ball.... ON A RICKY HATTON PPV. Talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth

The way to make a fight with Hatton would have been to do the business over Morua but Witter just isn't capable. Back to regurgitating the same old shit in press releases then and hope that works....
Bottom line is Witters a decent boxer no more no less. He's done well for himself but lets not forget he didn't beat any champion to get his belt. Hatton vs Tszyu or Witter vs Corley. Who had it easiest there?
Hatton is what is right with the sport - giving up the belts, sacrificing an endless amount of easy defences and big paydays to progress with his career. I see he's just given up the IBF because he wants Castillo not N'dou. Kind of makes a mockery of what you've just said. Maybe Witter should face N'dou? Let them both have the full period of preperation and see who was kidding who first time around

Posted: 10 Feb 2007, 15:10
by OLD-LONDON-RULES
holyfields_ear wrote:Witter this, Witter that

He really is being made to look like a bit of a tool by his promoter who keeps releasing these press statements every fortnight. Shame on some of you for believing them.
DG. wrote:
Morua was SUPPOSED to be a come forward pressure fghter - but he changed hs tactics one he felt a few shots i think.
Bottom line is - Witter is what is RIGHT with the sport ( wanting the big fights and working hard when you have been frozen out or deemed undesirable).
Hatton is what is wrong ( easiest route possible and ducking the real fights).
Hatton's days are numbered.
Morua was SUPPOSED to be a quick impressive blowout for Witter but once again he dropped the ball.... ON A RICKY HATTON PPV. Talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth

The way to make a fight with Hatton would have been to do the business over Morua but Witter just isn't capable. Back to regurgitating the same old shit in press releases then and hope that works....
Bottom line is Witters a decent boxer no more no less. He's done well for himself but lets not forget he didn't beat any champion to get his belt. Hatton vs Tszyu or Witter vs Corley. Who had it easiest there?
Hatton is what is right with the sport - giving up the belts, sacrificing an endless amount of easy defences and big paydays to progress with his career. I see he's just given up the IBF because he wants Castillo not N'dou. Kind of makes a mockery of what you've just said. Maybe Witter should face N'dou? Let them both have the full period of preperation and see who was kidding who first time around

Which rock are all these scouse bag heads crawling from under?
Posted: 10 Feb 2007, 17:13
by MightyWarrior
Keep the racist remarks out of here old london / simpsons
Posted: 10 Feb 2007, 17:23
by OLD-LONDON-RULES
MightyWarrior wrote:Keep the racist remarks out of here old london / simpsons
STFU white bwoy.
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by KOJOE90
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