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Has There Ever Been/Will There Ever Be Another

Posted: 11 Feb 2007, 21:23
by JAHamilton77
Globe Trotting Boxer on the Scale of Panama Al Brown?

I knew the guy was quite the travler but I just took a closer gander at his record and it is astonishing.

The man fought in 16 different countries including

United States - 71 (In 9 different states New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Connecticut, Maine, Ohio, Massachusettes, New Hampshire, & California)

France - 41
Panama - 15
England - 13
Spain - 6
Canada - 5
Belgium - 3
Switzerland - 3
Italy - 2
Algeria - 2
Wales - 2
Denmark, Cuba, Norway, Morocco, Tunisia - 1

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The closest we have today is Winky Wright and he doesnt even come close with only 8 countries under his belt.
USA - 35
France - 10
England - 3
Argentina, Germany, South Africa, Monaco, Luxembourg - 1

Even he doesnt compare because unlike Brown once he established his name he stopped travling.

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So was/is/will the be another guy like Brown?

Also in considering try not to tak into too much account Europeans making tiny jumps from one European country to another, I am talking about guys travling the globe.

Posted: 11 Feb 2007, 21:53
by Seamus
Archie Moore, Hilario Zapata and Eusebio Pedroza fought in quite a few countries.

Posted: 12 Feb 2007, 00:19
by JAHamilton77
Seamus wrote:Archie Moore, Hilario Zapata and Eusebio Pedroza fought in quite a few countries.
Archie Moore racked up 13
USA - 189
Argentina - 9
Australia - 6
Canada - 4
Brazil - 2
Germany -2
Panama, Italy, Uruguay, Phillipines, Mexico, Germany, England - 1

Zapata Fought in 10 (he managed 11 countries in alot fewer fights, but was sort of necessity due to his division)
Panama - 33
South Korea - 5
Japan - 5
Venezuela - 3
United States - 2
Puerto Rico, Phillipines, Thailand, Brazil, Argentina, Colombia - 1

Eusabio Pedroza managed 11 different countries
Panama - 29
United States - 7
Venezuela - 3
Italy - 2
Japan - 2
England, France, Mexico, Puerto Rico, Papua New Guinea, Korea - 1

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WoW kinda puts a new spin on the subject in that it seems Panamian fighters travel ALOT. (Pedroza, Brown & Zapata all being from there.)

Duran fought in 9 different nations.

Posted: 12 Feb 2007, 00:38
by generic screen name
The only way that happens now is if a fighter is under the radar. Winky and Baldomir both had to take the world tour before getting a title shot.

Amateur stars like Mayweather and De la Hoya don't have to travel out of the country much since they basically get themselves a title shot in 15-20 pro fights.

Posted: 12 Feb 2007, 01:02
by AndreWardFan2006
Marcel Cerdan fought in 10 different countries:

France - 40
Morocco - 31
Algeria - 25
U.S.A - 6 3 (New York) 1 ( Illinois, New Jersey, Michigan)
Belgium - 4
England - 3
Canada - 1
Portugal - 1
Spain - 1

Posted: 12 Feb 2007, 07:11
by JC
Freddie Miller fought in,

USA
England
Northern Ireland
France
Ireland
Belgium
South Africa
Wales
Venezuela
Spain

Posted: 12 Feb 2007, 07:14
by Lenny
Johnny Nelson fought in 12

Italy
Germany
England
Denmark
USA
France
Brazil
Thailand
New Zealand
Belgium
Australia
South Africa

Posted: 12 Feb 2007, 11:39
by SteveO
Muhammad Ali fought in 13 different countries:
USA
England x3
Canada x2
Germany x2
Switzerland
Japan
Ireland
Indonesia
Zaire
Malaysia
Philipines
Puerto Rico
Bahamas

Posted: 12 Feb 2007, 16:03
by enrique
The absolute, complete, unchallenged top globe trotter of all time was Angel Robinson Garcia:

1. Cuba
2. US
3. Venezuela
4. Panama
5. Mexico
6. Jamaica
7. France
8. Italy
9. Tunisia
10. Switzerland
11. Ivory Coast
12. Spain
13. Belgium
14. Germany
15. England
16. Algeria
17. Denmark
18. Puerto Rico
19. Canada
20. Finland

And most of the time in over 230 fights, he was pickled or buzzed, yet was a rated fighter....

Posted: 12 Feb 2007, 16:42
by Matt
Eddie Perkins fought in 23 countries:

1 United States
2 Mexico
3 Venezuela
4 Italy
5 France
6 Philippines
7 Japan
8 Jamaica
9 Canada
10 Colombia
11 Trinidad and Tobago
12 Guyana
13 Ecuador
14 England
15 South Africa
16 Argentina
17 Brazil
18 Denmark
19 Austria
20 Chile
21 Costa Rica
22 Puerto Rico
23 Germany (West)

Posted: 12 Feb 2007, 21:31
by enrique
I'll be damned.... Perkins and I trained out of the same gym -Johnny Coulon's- and I knew he was a hell of a globe troter but I'd never figure he would beat Robinson Garcia.... learn something new every day.

Posted: 13 Feb 2007, 07:06
by enrique
So it seems that the ultimate globe trotter is Eddie Perkins. Can anyone come up with anyone else that tops Perkins....

Posted: 13 Feb 2007, 10:26
by elmersalsa
I do not think that someone would pass Eddie Perkins in traveling and boxing in almost all over the world. Joe Brown deserves to be mention too. He fought in 16 countries all over the world.

So right now, we have:

Eddie Perkins 23
Angel Robinson Garcia 20
Joe Brown 16
Panama Al Brown 16
Archie Moore 13
Johnny Nelson 12
Eusebio Pedroza 11

Pedroza has the WORLD RECORD of most title defenses in the opponent's home turf. Now, that is something hard to do. :TU:

Posted: 13 Feb 2007, 11:29
by JAHamilton77
WoW WTG on the Perkins find, thats amazing. Kinda why I made the subject to find out :TU:

Posted: 13 Feb 2007, 12:43
by JAHamilton77
Found a few more double digit nation fighters

Sam McVea - 10

United States -39
France - 26
Australia - 13
Panama - 8
England - 3
Chile - 2
Argentina, Cuba, Belgium, Canada

Pascual Perez - 15

Argentina - 70
Japan - 6
Uruguay - 2
Panama - 2
USA, Brazil, Paraguay, Mexico, Colombia, Ecuador, Thailand, Dominican Republic, Venezuela, Netherlands Antilles, Phillipines - 1

Ray Famechon - 12

France - 54
England - 19
Belgium - 9
Italy - 9
United States - 8
Algeria - 4
Morocco - 2
Switzerland, Canada, Spain, Ireland, Ivory Coast - 1

Posted: 13 Feb 2007, 13:28
by JAHamilton77
Ismael Laguna - 11

Panama - 46
United States - 14
France - 4
Puerto Rico -3
Colombia, Brazil, Mexico, Argentina, Phillipines, Jamaica, Ecuador - 1

Carlos Ortiz - 10

United States - 52
Puerto Rico - 6
England - 2
Japan - 2
Italy - 2
Phillipines - 2
Dominican Republic, Mexico, Argentina, Panama - 1

Emile Griffith - 16

United States - 81
France - 5
Monaco - 4
Virgin Islands - 3
England - 3
Denmark - 2
Germany - 2
Colombia - 2
Bermuda, Austria, Australia, South Africa, Puerto Rico, Argentina, Italy, Canada - 1

Posted: 13 Feb 2007, 13:37
by JAHamilton77
Terry "Kid" Lewis - 10 (not going to count the number of fights :-?)
England
United States
France
Italy
Australia
South Africa
Wales
Canada
Germany
Scotland

Posted: 13 Feb 2007, 13:51
by JAHamilton77
Luis Manuel Eodriguez - 10

United States - 78
Cuba - 24
Puerto Rico - 5
Argentina - 4
Mexico - 3
Venezuela - 3
Italy, Australia, England, Canada - 1

Posted: 13 Feb 2007, 14:50
by JAHamilton77
Decagon wrote:Sugar Ray Robinson after age 40:
  1. 1. USA
    2. Mexico
    3. Jamaica
    4. Italy
    5. France
    6. England
    7. Scotland
    8. Belgium
    9. Canada
    10. Trinidad and Tobago
I think I counted 13 in all

Posted: 13 Feb 2007, 14:52
by KOJOE90
Brian Mitchell 8 different countries.

South Africa.
USA.
Italy.
England.
Spain.
France.
Panama.
Puerto Rico.

Posted: 13 Feb 2007, 15:37
by JAHamilton77
Jorge Fernando Castro - 12

Argentina
United States
Italy
Germany
Japan
Australia
Mexico
Monaco
Spain
France
South Africa
Panama

Julio Cesar Vasquez - 11

Argentina
United States
France
Russia
Croatia
Monaco
Uruguay
Kazakhstan
England
Northern Ireland
Spain

Antonio Cervantes - 10

Colombia
Venezuela
United States
Puerto Rico
Japan
South Korea
Thailand
Panama
Argentina
South Africa

Posted: 13 Feb 2007, 23:28
by JAHamilton77
Azumah Nelson - 10

Ghana
United States
Nigeria
Ivory Coast
Mexico
England
Spain
Australia
Puerto Rico
Zambia

Alexis Arguello - 10

Nicaragua
United States
Puerto Rico
Panama
El Salvador
England
Italy
Japan
Mexico
Venezuela

Posted: 14 Feb 2007, 12:01
by generic screen name
Next is going to be Edwin Valero (5 So far)

Venezuela 11
USA 3
Panama 2
Japan 3
France 1
Argentina 1

Ryu in Street Fighter II (8 Countries)
Ken USA
Blanka Brazil
Chun-Li China
Zangief Russia
Dhalsim India
Guile USA again
E, Honda Japan
Balrog USA
Vega Spain
M. Bison Bumblefuck

Posted: 14 Feb 2007, 15:29
by SteveO
Tommy Burns and Jack Johnson both fought in 9 different countries, but it looks like Muhammad Ali is the leading heavyweight having fought in 13 different countries.

Posted: 15 Feb 2007, 17:05
by JAHamilton77
Decagon wrote:Peralta breaks two digits.
This Peralta?

Ramon Avenamar Peralta - 12

Argentina
Netherlands
Germany
Spain
The Congo
Italy
Denmark
Norway
Luxembourg
Belgium
South Africa
Austria