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Simpson ponders future in Boxing

Posted: 13 Mar 2007, 07:27
by pm
'CRAZY' JUDGES ARE FORCING MY BOY TO CHUCK IT

Morrison's fury at Simpson verdict

By Hugh Keevins
JOHN SIMPSON could quit boxing in disgust after his manager claimed he had been the victim of a controversial decision.

Alex Morrison accused ringside officials of being cowards and the referee of being scared as Greenock's Simpson lost again in dubious circumstances at the weekend.

The 23-year-old's defeat by Derry Matthews in their WBU featherweight title clash in Liverpool on Saturday has left him sickened with the sport.

And Morrison went as far as to suggest corruption has brought Simpson's career to its knees.

Raging Morrison said: "The ringside officials who scored the fight were blind or scared and they can sue me if they like. John's told me he wants to quit boxing now and I'll let him go if that's what he wants to do.

"Referee Micky Vann was too scared to do his job properly, in my opinion.


"The crowd made him and the officials think they might not get out alive if the referee had done the right thing and disqualified Matthews. He was guilty of head-butting, low blows and rubbing his open glove against John's face to make sure his cuts opened and worsened.


"The guy's nothing but a dirty coward and the referee should have looked after John better than he did."


The WBU title was Simpson's gateway to bigger purses but Morrison says he is disappointed over his mugging.


He said: "John doesn't come from much in Greenock and this was a real chance for him to earn some decent money.


"Now he thinks the world's against him and he wants out of boxing rather than be treated in that kind of shabby, underhand manner ever again."


Simpson was the victim of an outrageous decision when he lost the British featherweight title fight with Dazzo Williams - so much so the winner didn't even agree he had deserved the win he was awarded.


Morrison said: "He met Williams in his hotel after the fight and he offered John his championship belt, saying, 'You deserve this more than me'.


"There's a tradition that the referee and ringside officials are taken out for a meal by the fight promoter on the eve of the show. I would like to have heard what was said at that meal."


Morrison won't make a formal complaint to the British Boxing Board of Control because he doesn't believe they'll react in apositive manner.


He said: "The ref knew John was getting a raw deal and didn't stop the fight.


"John had a cut so deep the corner couldn't cope with the blood he was shedding after a clash of heads.


"But the referee didn't stop the contest or declare the fight a draw after deducting two points from Matthews for dirty tricks."

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk

Posted: 13 Mar 2007, 07:37
by Max Molyneux
Did he accept Dazzo's belt though?

Posted: 13 Mar 2007, 07:49
by jomothepure
I don't blame Simpson at all. The outcome of the fight was an absolute disgrace. Even if Matthews shouldn't have been DQ'd, then two of the judges giving him scores of 118 and 117 was it? - or maybe not because you have to take 3 off Matthews minimum, and 120-3 is not 118 is farcical.

I've lost absolutely all respect for Matthews now. I honestly hope he gets sparked in front of his misty-eyed fans

And what I desire for two judges in particular can't be repeated

Posted: 13 Mar 2007, 08:52
by Les Kendal
I wish someone who is a boxing expert could confirm whether it is actually technically possible for the fight to have been scored 118. If not, then there needs to be an investigation into the scoring to see what actually happened.
As for Simpson, he will probably get over it and at least he left the ring with his integrity intact.
If a score of 118 was technically impossible then there should be an investigation, but if not, then both guys should just move on and get on with their careers.

Posted: 13 Mar 2007, 08:58
by jomothepure
I've just e-mailed the bbbofc to that effect. Even the fw.tv article reports that 116 was the most Matthews could technically received. However (Duke please take note) the first could be a 9-9. I see it as 3 points deducted for a start, making the 118 illegal, requiring investigation (or maths tutoring at the least) and 117 legal (but I'd think the substance that judge was on to give all 12 rounds to Matthews to be illegal.)

Posted: 13 Mar 2007, 09:22
by Musashi
Before I comment I haven't seen the fight. It was brought to my attention the other day by another Boxrec poster. 10-10 for the first round is possible but very highly unlikely. In order to have gotten a 10-10 round, Matthews would have had to have totally dominated Simpson to the point of a 10-8 (without a knockdown) round. And even at that, the knockdown that Matthews received would have had to have been a flash knockdown. Even if it wasn't a total domination and Matthews did win the first round, Simpson would have gotten 10-9. But from what I've heard Simpson won the round and scored a knockdown. Sounds like 10-8 to me. But that's just reading reports and having not seen the round.

Posted: 13 Mar 2007, 09:24
by banjaxd
when they read out the scores i thought 118 was technically impossible too..

2 points deducted

knocked down and probably lost 1 round 10 - 8...

makes it feasible that matthews could have scored 116 maximum

or even 117 if by some unknown equation the kd round was scored 10 - 9 which is unlikely

his score of 118 implies he got 10 points in the round he was knocked down which is simply ludicrous...

anyone else have a theory ?

i believe simpson won the round and got the kd...
admittedly the cut brought matthews back into it - and should not the bbbofc change its outdated cuts rules anyways ?...

the scores were a shocking mess imho... :oops:

Posted: 13 Mar 2007, 09:44
by Top Dog
:-? Come on guys, of course a score like that aint possible, it doesnt take a maths genius to figure that out. Let me tell you what happened. Simpson got bent over and shagged up the arse, that's what happened. To think of another way, he was CHEATED, plain and simple. These two cheating english bastards should be kicked out of the sport. The BBBofC should sent out a leeter explaining how someone can have that type of score, cause its obvious cheating as far as I'm concerned. Not surprised Simpson is going to throw n the towel, boxing is beginning to become a joke. It makes me laugh, the english slag off the germans and the italians for their dodgy decisions, fornicate they are just as bad. :-?

Posted: 13 Mar 2007, 09:46
by jomothepure
I'm just wondering whether, if Block confirms that 118 is technically impossible, it might not be out of the question that it might be worth Simpson's management trying to get a NC or something

Posted: 13 Mar 2007, 09:52
by Top Dog
Aye fair point. But I bet the BBBofC lie lower than a snakes belly until it blows over. Simpsons manager should be all over them until he gets an answer. I bet you any money if he pushed it Simpson would get an instant rematch. fornicate if your going to cheat and rigg the scores you would at least make sure that it is mathematically possible to have that score.

Posted: 13 Mar 2007, 18:31
by MPG
I think we all should emailed the bbbofc to let them know that WE as boxing fans dont agree with what happened and want something to be done!
Boxing is a Hard game but when Judges and Refs become your opponent aswell then its impossible..

Posted: 13 Mar 2007, 18:49
by jomothepure
Well they've not replied to mine, and maybe I'm wrong, but I find it hard to believe they only check their inbox twice a week.

Posted: 14 Mar 2007, 07:57
by lurkyshaka
Les Kendal wrote:I wish someone who is a boxing expert could confirm whether it is actually technically possible for the fight to have been scored 118. If not, then there needs to be an investigation into the scoring to see what actually happened.
As for Simpson, he will probably get over it and at least he left the ring with his integrity intact.
If a score of 118 was technically impossible then there should be an investigation, but if not, then both guys should just move on and get on with their careers.
If Matthews was given every round by a judge(which would be ridiculous) he could get 120 points maximum.

But he was legitimately dropped in the first so straight away should have lost 2 points....so we're down to 118 there. And he then had 2 further points taken off him for infringements.....so i would say it was impossible for him to manages to get a score of 118. Something was seriously wrong with those cards and its an absolute disgrace.

Posted: 14 Mar 2007, 09:03
by Old bones Ian
Although i can't see how the judge got the total of 118, I do think that the right man won the fight, i had Matthews winning narrowly.

I could also see how the fight could have been scored in favour of Simpson, but it certainly wasn't a robbery that he lost.

I didn't Hear Morrison moaning when his man Anderson won over Jennings which was an equally tight fight.

Posted: 15 Mar 2007, 09:29
by silkov
I thought it was a close fight by the end, Simpsons workrate went down in the last half of the fight but having said that the scores were a outrage... Simpson probably would only have got a draw even if he'd koed Mathews.... and Mathews gave one of the dirtiest displays of 'boxing' that I've ever seen and I wouldnt have been surprised to see him disqualified... but instaed of quitting Simpson should be asking for an immeadiate rematch with dirty Derry...

Posted: 15 Mar 2007, 09:42
by Top Dog
topper123 wrote:Although i can't see how the judge got the total of 118, I do think that the right man won the fight, i had Matthews winning narrowly.

I could also see how the fight could have been scored in favour of Simpson, but it certainly wasn't a robbery that he lost.

I didn't Hear Morrison moaning when his man Anderson won over Jennings which was an equally tight fight.
Now your sounding like an amateur mate. Morrison doesnt manage Anderson, who in fact has never been in with Jennings, so dont really know what you mean?

Posted: 15 Mar 2007, 16:52
by Max Molyneux
Morrison Is simular to Gilmour though, once they have a big enough fighter they can't bid high enough to try and get home advantage for their fighters If their a mandatory challenger. :TU:

Posted: 16 Mar 2007, 06:05
by Top Dog
Max Molyneux wrote:Morrison Is simular to Gilmour though, once they have a big enough fighter they can't bid high enough to try and get home advantage for their fighters If their a mandatory challenger. :TU:
Aye, that's why they call him Tightwad Tommy :TU: