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Now then,cooper who tried to use the nickname he stole off Ingemar Johanson... Thor`s HAMMER....was put on his backside so often someone tied a duster on it so he could clean the floor.:-------
1957 v joe bygraves ,cooper goes down 2 times
1957Johnanson(a guy who really had a hammer)
1958Heinz Neuhaus
1958 dick Richardson
1958Zora Folley(2 2times)
1960alex miteffe
1964roger(the dodger)Rischer(2times)
1964Brain London
1965amos johnson
1966Floydd Patterson (cooper hit down 3 times)
1969pieru tomasoni
Unblievable really,when you relise none of those guys were the big hitting yanks richardso,london and the other brits had to face to make money,and it shows us what a good manager cooper had,conning the british public for years,anyone else wouldhad to go back plasteringwith his awful record.

tigerpomfret wrote:Now then,cooper who tried to use the nickname he stole off Ingemar Johanson... Thor`s HAMMER....was put on his backside so often someone tied a duster on it so he could clean the floor.:-------
1957 v joe bygraves ,cooper goes down 2 times
1957Johnanson(a guy who really had a hammer)
1958Heinz Neuhaus
1958 dick Richardson
1958Zora Folley(2 2times)
1960alex miteffe
1964roger(the dodger)Rischer(2times)
1964Brain London
1965amos johnson
1966Floydd Patterson (cooper hit down 3 times)
1969pieru tomasoni
Unblievable really,when you relise none of those guys were the big hitting yanks richardso,london and the other brits had to face to make money,and it shows us what a good manager cooper had,conning the british public for years,anyone else wouldhad to go back plasteringwith his awful record.

Yeah, right, Tigger. We've all been fooled completely all these years. We all thought he was the greatest fighter ever. What fools we have been. Lucky for us you are able to appear every 6 months and remind us. Good for you, Tigger. Good for you!

Tiger to you,collins,or else

tigerpomfret wrote:Tiger to you,collins,or else

Come on, we know you are just a big pussycat who wants to be loved.

Enough of that,lets talk about Hernry`s so called hammer which never ko`d a top fighter,another thing,cooper never had a right to get his title shot at ALi,no way on earth,what a joke.
And when cooper said"i finally got Patterson" circ;1966 and was booded out the ring,after being sparked right out the truth was,henry was offered to fight Patterson in America years earlier,after a bone cruching 15 roundier with Brain London,but Cooper refused ,and London took the fight,putting up a brave 11 rounds,but was fined a huge £2,000 by the British Boxing Board of control.

tigerpomfret wrote:Enough of that,lets talk about Hernry`s so called hammer which never ko`d a top fighter,another thing,cooper never had a right to get his title shot at ALi,no way on earth,what a joke.
And when cooper said"i finally got Patterson" circ;1966 and was booded out the ring,after being sparked right out the truth was,henry was offered to fight Patterson in America years earlier,after a bone cruching 15 roundier with Brain London,but Cooper refused ,and London took the fight,putting up a brave 11 rounds,but was fined a huge £2,000 by the British Boxing Board of control.

Yes, terribly, terribly sad, wasn't it? Actually, I think London has got over it now. Do you think you ever will, Tigger?

this has to be the worst thread on this forum. absolute shite.

Whats enery ever done to you Tigger besides knock you out a couple of times!??...

Collins2000 wrote:

tigerpomfret wrote:Enough of that,lets talk about Hernry`s so called hammer which never ko`d a top fighter,another thing,cooper never had a right to get his title shot at ALi,no way on earth,what a joke.
And when cooper said"i finally got Patterson" circ;1966 and was booded out the ring,after being sparked right out the truth was,henry was offered to fight Patterson in America years earlier,after a bone cruching 15 roundier with Brain London,but Cooper refused ,and London took the fight,putting up a brave 11 rounds,but was fined a huge £2,000 by the British Boxing Board of control.

Yes, terribly, terribly sad, wasn't it? Actually, I think London has got over it now. Do you think you ever will, Tigger?

I think he is London actually!... ...not a bad clubfighter in his day, ...shame about the chin though.... when he fought Ali they heard the china breaking in India!...

harrygreb wrote:this has to be the worst thread on this forum. absolute shite.

Obviously this has been done a few times on the board and there's some "history" between the posters which I don't know of, but it's not "absolute shite", I think it's a valid topic. I've always argued Cooper was overrated. I know some disagree, and certainly he fought in a tough era, but the point is hardly "absolute shite".

oliverfennell wrote:

harrygreb wrote:this has to be the worst thread on this forum. absolute shite.

Obviously this has been done a few times on the board and there's some "history" between the posters which I don't know of, but it's not "absolute shite", I think it's a valid topic. I've always argued Cooper was overrated. I know some disagree, and certainly he fought in a tough era, but the point is hardly "absolute shite".

Overrated in what way though?... noones saying that he was an all time great heavyweight, but he was a useful fighter in a tough era and he was undoubtedly the best in Britain for well over a decade when the talent pool was quite high.... if anything Cooper is probably underrated these days...

while not generally disagreeing about cooper's ability. why waste your time having a pop at the guy. he is quite a significant figure in brit boxing of the last 50 years, ABA champ in the late 1950's still competing against good opponents until packing up 15 years later. we are under no illusions that cooper would have if...if....if so why have a go? there are plenty of more worthwhile subjects to write about. that is why i called the thread absolute shite and i remain convinced of my correctitude.

if you really want an interesting subject discuss the other brit heavies through the sixties;
dick richardson
joe erskine
johnny prescott
brian london
jack bodell
billy walker
it was a very good era if not for top quality for excellent discussion.

harrygreb wrote:while not generally disagreeing about cooper's ability. why waste your time having a pop at the guy. he is quite a significant figure in brit boxing of the last 50 years, ABA champ in the late 1950's still competing against good opponents until packing up 15 years later. we are under no illusions that cooper would have if...if....if so why have a go? there are plenty of more worthwhile subjects to write about. that is why i called the thread absolute shite and i remain convinced of my correctitude.

Exactly, and its not a valid subject to say that cooper had a glass jaw... he could be koed yes, but that doesnt make a fighter glass jawed... most fighters can be koed, its only the exceptional ones that cant... Cooper would never have competed at the level he did for so long had he a glass jaw... Tiggers been coming up with these ludicrous anti Cooper threads ever since he first appeared here and its pathetic... mention that brave warrior Brian London though, and he disapeares for a good while... read into that what you will...

harrygreb wrote:if you really want an interesting subject discuss the other brit heavies through the sixties;
dick richardson
joe erskine
johnny prescott
brian london
jack bodell
billy walker
it was a very good era if not for top quality for excellent discussion.

And Cooper beat them all... 8)

good points about cooper, silkov and yes he did beat all those other fellas

i have a soft spot for dick richardson, a lovely bloke outside the ring. a friend of my dads in fact. did you know he beat ezzard charles?

Yeah Richardson was a good fighter, very strong, Charles was pretty much washed up when he lost to him (I think he was disqualified for holding) but still a good name for Richardson. Have you much footage of him or the others?...... I've always liked Walker and Prescott... and have highlights of their two fights... footage of Walker vs Bodel and London exists as well I think, I would love to get hold of them.
Did you ever see footage of the after fight brawl between the Londons and the Richardsons after their fight in the early 60s... wild stuff!... even London senior got stuck in...

no footage, but i remember those days and the brit scene pretty well.
i'd love to see the dust up between those two camps though - fantastic

OH yes the Walker v Bodell (full fight) and Walker v London (6/10) exists.
Not much footage around on Dick Richardson. Besides the short clips of fight/brawl against London, I only have clips of his fights aginst Mildenberger and Johansson. Quite a lot of Brian London fights exists.
Those were the days.

Woller

cracking pic of cooper london in Harry Carpenter's 'pictorial history of boxing' no wonder brians nose was like that

Is that the strange "right-angle" shot Cooper brought up from the waist while in a crouching position?

True Dick was a lovely guy something overlooked he was a bloody good Footballer but chose Boxing

i remember seeing him play football - now were going back