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Boxing "rules" expert Dempseyfire has "established" the "fact" that any fighter going into the ropes as the result of a punch is "knocked down" according to the "rules" of boxing.

He established the fact that this is a boxing "rule" by quoting an "opinion" from a internet website.

Boxrec resident "rules" expert Dempseyfire will now post a tape from his favorite, UTUBE,

showing the beginning of the Doug Jones-Ali fight

where Jones staggered Ali with a right hand 15 seconds into the opening round

which caused Ali to stagger backwards until he hit the ropes.

And then "rules" expert Dempseyfire will show us all how the referee counted over Ali and called that a "knockdown."

Good luck, Dempseyfire.

You really have no life, do you?

It's IF THE ROPES ARE THE ONLY THING PREVENTING YOU FROM GOING DOWN! THE MAJOR SANCTIONING BODIES ALL HAVE THIS ESTABLISHED.

I asked you before to show me any proof that rule is NOT in effect, but you cannot.

You are a TROLL.

MODS come on I know this must be amusing but enough is enough.

dempseyfire wrote:You really have no life, do you?

It's IF THE ROPES ARE THE ONLY THING PREVENTING YOU FROM GOING DOWN! THE MAJOR SANCTIONING BODIES ALL HAVE THIS ESTABLISHED.

I asked you before to show me any proof that rule is NOT in effect, but you cannot.

You are a TROLL.

MODS come on I know this must be amusing but enough is enough.

I am waiting for Dempseyfire to post the tape of the referee counting over Ali after Doug Jones' right hand knocked him into the ropes.

Where is the tape showing the referee counting, Dempseyfire?

Show us.

(Suggestion for "rules" expert, Dempseyfire:

Get your "mods" to help you find a tape of the referee counting over Ali in that fight.

Good luck.)

From the WBA championship rules:

3.1 A boxer shall deemed to be "down" when any part of his body, except his
feet, makes contact with the floor of the ring, or when he hangs helplessly
over the ropes as a result of a legal blow according to the judgment of the
referee, who is the only authorized person to determine when a boxer has
suffered a knockdown.

Cranberry, you must be one of those guys who enjoys humiliation…

The Great John L wrote:From the WBA championship rules:

3.1 A boxer shall deemed to be "down" when any part of his body, except his
feet, makes contact with the floor of the ring, or when he hangs helplessly
over the ropes as a result of a legal blow according to the judgment of the
referee, who is the only authorized person to determine when a boxer has
suffered a knockdown.

Cranberry, you must be one of those guys who enjoys humiliation…

Witless John L.,

I am waiting for the tape of the referee counting over Ali after Doug Jones knocked him backwards into the ropes.

Once you post that for all of us to see----

Then post the tape of the referee counting over Gene Tunney after Dempsey hit him with a left hook on the neck and Tunney fell draped over the ropes in the fourth round of their first fight.

Good luck John L.

granberry wrote:

The Great John L wrote:From the WBA championship rules:

3.1 A boxer shall deemed to be "down" when any part of his body, except his
feet, makes contact with the floor of the ring, or when he hangs helplessly
over the ropes as a result of a legal blow according to the judgment of the
referee, who is the only authorized person to determine when a boxer has
suffered a knockdown.

Cranberry, you must be one of those guys who enjoys humiliation…

Witless John L.,

I am waiting for the tape of the referee counting over Ali after Doug Jones knocked him backwards into the ropes.

Once you post that for all of us to see----

Then post the tape of the referee counting over Gene Tunney after Dempsey hit him with a left hook on the neck and Tunney fell draped over the ropes in the fourth round of their first fight.

Good luck John L.

Just as I thought, he’s illiterate.

Witless John L's WBA and their recent "rules" were nowhere to be seen when Doug Jones knocked Ali into the ropes

or when Dempsey knocked Tunney into a draped postion on the ropes in the 4th round of their first fight.

Witless John's WBA also decrees that a fighter knocked down three times in a round is "knocked out."

Witless John never heard of

Dempsey-Willard,

Patterson-Johannson I,

Virgil Akins-Vince Martinez,

Dempsey-Firpo,

Jimmy Carter-Tommy Collins, etc.

The WBO rules state:

3, There is NO Standing Eight (8) Count.

4. There is NO Three (3) Knockdown Rule.

http://www.wbo-int.com/public/org/regulations.htm

Pick and choose among your "rules," witless John.

granberry wrote:Witless John L's WBA and their recent "rules" were nowhere to be seen when Doug Jones knocked Ali into the ropes

or when Dempsey knocked Tunney into a draped postion on the ropes in the 4th round of their first fight.

Witless John's WBA also decrees that a fighter knocked down three times in a round is "knocked out."

Witless John never heard of

Dempsey-Willard,

Patterson-Johannson I,

Virgil Akins-Vince Martinez,

Dempsey-Firpo,

Jimmy Carter-Tommy Collins, etc.

The WBO rules state:

3, There is NO Standing Eight (8) Count.

4. There is NO Three (3) Knockdown Rule.

http://www.wbo-int.com/public/org/regulations.htm

Pick and choose among your "rules," witless John.

I particularly love how you are choosing two Dempsey fights which occured when it was still legal to stand over your opponent and club them once their knees were off the canvas.

Rules DO change over time you know . . .or are we still in the bare-knuckle era with you?

dempsey, I think it's better if we simply all ignore him. Maybe he'll go away if he doesn't get the attention that he seems to live for.

dempseyfire wrote:

granberry wrote:Witless John L's WBA and their recent "rules" were nowhere to be seen when Doug Jones knocked Ali into the ropes

or when Dempsey knocked Tunney into a draped postion on the ropes in the 4th round of their first fight.

Witless John's WBA also decrees that a fighter knocked down three times in a round is "knocked out."

Witless John never heard of

Dempsey-Willard,

Patterson-Johannson I,

Virgil Akins-Vince Martinez,

Dempsey-Firpo,

Jimmy Carter-Tommy Collins, etc.

The WBO rules state:

3, There is NO Standing Eight (8) Count.

4. There is NO Three (3) Knockdown Rule.

http://www.wbo-int.com/public/org/regulations.htm

Pick and choose among your "rules," witless John.

I particularly love how you are choosing two Dempsey fights which occured when it was still legal to stand over your opponent and club them once their knees were off the canvas.

Rules DO change over time you know . . .or are we still in the bare-knuckle era with you?

Yes- The first Patterson-Johannson fight took place in the bare knuckle era.

Boxing "rules" expert Dempseyfire STILL HASN'T POSTED the tape of the referee counting over Ali when Ali fell back into the ropes after Doug Jones clocked him with a right hand 15 seconds into the first round of their fight.

Post the tape, Dempseyfire,--so we can all see the referee imposing your "rules."

LOL

We are waiting.

Here is a quote on your WBA, which your fellow "expert" witless John L posts as his "authority" :

Like the WBA, IBF, and WBO, the WBC is almost universally criticized in the boxing community for its alleged corruption.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Boxing_Council

I see now you are retreating to "Rules DO change over time you know."

The "rule" that a fighter knocked into the ropes is "down"

is not a rule.

As the long history of boxing shows.

Even the crap you and your fellow "expert" witless John post in your feeble attempts at proving the false "rule" you claimed

state that it is up to the referee's discretion,

not a "rule."

Boxing has been turned into garbage in recent years by the WBA, WBC, IBF, WBO, Don King, ABCTV

and you show in each post you make that you clutch at these destroyers of boxing as your "authorities."

The history of boxing says otherwise.

The Great John L wrote:dempsey, I think it's better if we simply all ignore him. Maybe he'll go away if he doesn't get the attention that he seems to live for.

I agree. I only responded in this thread since he completely made it up on one of my posts and I couldn't resist calling him out one more time.

No more responses. I do wish some of the moderators could see that this guy is trolling non-stop. I can't look into any threads without him turning it into complete nonsense.

dempseyfire wrote:

The Great John L wrote:dempsey, I think it's better if we simply all ignore him. Maybe he'll go away if he doesn't get the attention that he seems to live for.

I agree. I only responded in this thread since he completely made it up on one of my posts and I couldn't resist calling him out one more time.

No more responses. I do wish some of the moderators could see that this guy is trolling non-stop. I can't look into any threads without him turning it into complete nonsense.

Dempseyfire was asked to post a tape of the referee imposing the false "rule" claimed by "expert" Dempseyfire that a fighter held up by the ropes after being hit is "down."

Rules "expert" Dempseyfire can't shows us where the Jones-Ali referee applied this phony "rule."

Or where the referee in the first Dempsey-Tunney fight applied his false "rule" when Tunney fell draped over the ropes from a Dempsey left hook to the neck in the 4th round.

So now he reverts to the refuge of all phonies who are NAILED.

He whines that the "moderators" must rescue him from being exposed as a phony "rules" expert.

And poor Dempsyfire wails that anyone who nails him and shows that his faulty boxing "knowledge" is indefensible is a "troll."

Wail to the "moderators" with your tail between your legs, Dempseyfire.

There is no "rule" that a fighter knocked into the ropes by a punch is automatically "down."

granberry you may think you have an odd ally with me on this one.....but your opinions or "facts" do not seem to exist simply to anger others. You have a strong combative and outspoken way about you....but your opinions are just that. I find myself in agreement from time to time and in disagreement from time to time.

This is not the type of thing a mod needs to get involved with.....you may want to lighten up on the name calling when others don't agree with you but that's just a suggestion....you've never gone over the line of decency that I have seen.

Usually if you are into the ropes and helpless then a ref is much more like just to stop the fight rather than call it a knockdown. If the ropes are the only thing holding you up.