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In what order would you bring these fighters?

Harry Kid Matthews
Bob Baker
Rex Layne
Nino Valdes
Bob Sattlerfield
Clarence Henry
Tommy "Hurricane" Jackson
Harald Johnson
Don Cockell
Roland LaStarza
Earl Walls

pundit wrote:In what order would you bring these fighters?

Harry Kid Matthews
Bob Baker
Rex Layne
Nino Valdes
Bob Sattlerfield
Clarence Henry
Tommy "Hurricane" Jackson
Harald Johnson
Don Cockell

1. Harold Johnson
2. Clarence Henry
3. Bob Baker
4. Nino Valdez
5. Rex Layne
6. Bob Satterfield
7. Hurricane Jackson
8. Harry Kid Mathews
9. Don Cockell



I think baker, valdez, and a peak layne are in a 3 way tie

marty marshall?? are u kidding me. wheres lastarza and layne? wheres earl walls? whees clarence henry? wheres bob baker?

pundit wrote:In what order would you bring these fighters?

Harry Kid Matthews
Bob Baker
Rex Layne
Nino Valdes
Bob Sattlerfield
Clarence Henry
Tommy "Hurricane" Jackson
Harald Johnson
Don Cockell

I think these guys are all very close together, except for Johnson, who is a clear #1. Most of the others could easily be swapped around with one another.

1. Johnson
2. Henry
3. Baker
4. Valdes
5. Layne
6. Jackson
7. Matthews
8. Cockell
9. Satterfield

Thanks for your lists, guys. I forgot to put in Roland LaStarza though -- I'd be grateful if you could tell me where you see him compared to the others.

Cheers
P

Marciano Frazier wrote:

pundit wrote:In what order would you bring these fighters?

Harry Kid Matthews
Bob Baker
Rex Layne
Nino Valdes
Bob Sattlerfield
Clarence Henry
Tommy "Hurricane" Jackson
Harald Johnson
Don Cockell

I think these guys are all very close together, except for Johnson, who is a clear #1. Most of the others could easily be swapped around with one another.

1. Johnson
2. Henry
3. Baker
4. Valdes
5. Layne
6. Jackson
7. Matthews
8. Cockell
9. Satterfield

good list except why is satterfield so low? he beat ur # 3 and # 4. i think satterfield shoud def be over don cockell and kid mathews, he beat much bettwr competitoon. satterfield would have knocked cockell out easy, and knocked jackson and mathews out IMO.

pundit wrote:Thanks for your lists, guys. I forgot to put in Roland LaStarza though -- I'd be grateful if you could tell me where you see him compared to the others.

Cheers
P

resume wise, he lacks it outside of the marciano fights. he didnt take on the top dangerous black contenders of his era which hurts his legacy alot, hes unproven outside of the marciano fights. the only fighters lastarza fought outside of marciano was past it rex layne and dan bucceroni.



skill wise and h2h ability, i put lastarza near the top along side of clarence henry, nino valdez, bob baker, earl walls, rex layne.....he was very skilled.

he would be my # 5 and layne would move to # 6

btw why didnt u mention earl walls pundit? he would be in my top 5 in this list. very underated fighter. 6'3 200lb boxer puncher with murderous right hand and solid smooth boxing skills

1. Harold Johnson
2. Clarence Henry
3. Nino Valdez
4. Rex Layne
5. Bob Baker
6. Roland LaStarza
7. Bob Satterfield
8. Harry Kid Mathews
9. Hurricane Jackson
10. Don Cockell

Decagon wrote:I would rank the decade as a whole like this:

1. Rocky Marciano
2. Sonny Liston
3. Jersey Joe Walcott
4. Floyd Patterson
5. Cleveland Williams
6. Ezzard Charles
7. Ingemar Johanssen
8. Archie Moore
9. Harold Johnson
10. Eddie Machen
11.
12. Bob Satterfield
13. Nino Valdez
14. Marty Marshall
15.
16.
17.
18.
19.
20. Zora Folley
21. George Chuvalo
22. Bob Cleroux
23.
24.
25. Pete Radermacher

I'm too lazy/drunk to finish this.

I think Clevland Williams is to high i would put him under both Charles and Johansson possibly under Moore and Machen aswell, also i think Folley is to low, 5 spots under Marty Marshall no way.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:btw why didnt u mention earl walls pundit? he would be in my top 5 in this list. very underated fighter. 6'3 200lb boxer puncher with murderous right hand and solid smooth boxing skills

Sorry, forgot him too.

BrocktonBlockbuster49 wrote:

Marciano Frazier wrote:

pundit wrote:In what order would you bring these fighters?

Harry Kid Matthews
Bob Baker
Rex Layne
Nino Valdes
Bob Sattlerfield
Clarence Henry
Tommy "Hurricane" Jackson
Harald Johnson
Don Cockell

I think these guys are all very close together, except for Johnson, who is a clear #1. Most of the others could easily be swapped around with one another.

1. Johnson
2. Henry
3. Baker
4. Valdes
5. Layne
6. Jackson
7. Matthews
8. Cockell
9. Satterfield

good list except why is satterfield so low? he beat ur # 3 and # 4. i think satterfield shoud def be over don cockell and kid mathews, he beat much bettwr competitoon. satterfield would have knocked cockell out easy, and knocked jackson and mathews out IMO.

Yes, he beat the #3 and #4, but he was also beaten three times out of four by the #1, once by the #2, and once by the #5. That gives him a record of 3-5 against opponents off this list. Matthews did pretty decisively beat Layne, who beat Satterfield, although I'd have to say Satterfield faced a peak version and Matthews a somewhat faded one. Both Cockell and Matthews were more consistent and don't have as many ugly losses to mediocre opponents as Satterfield. But then again, Satterfield does have the stronger overall resume and better longevity in the division, so I can see the case for putting him above them. As I said, most of the fighters on the list could easily be swapped around amongst each other.

Thunder and Lightning wrote:

Decagon wrote:I would rank the decade as a whole like this:

1. Rocky Marciano
2. Sonny Liston
3. Jersey Joe Walcott
4. Floyd Patterson
5. Cleveland Williams
6. Ezzard Charles
7. Ingemar Johanssen
8. Archie Moore
9. Harold Johnson
10. Eddie Machen
11.
12. Bob Satterfield
13. Nino Valdez
14. Marty Marshall
15.
16.
17.
18.
19.
20. Zora Folley
21. George Chuvalo
22. Bob Cleroux
23.
24.
25. Pete Radermacher

I'm too lazy/drunk to finish this.

I think Clevland Williams is to high i would put him under both Charles and Johansson possibly under Moore and Machen aswell, also i think Folley is to low, 5 spots under Marty Marshall no way.

Yes, frankly, I think it's ridiculous to have Cleveland Williams ahead of Johanssen, Moore, Johnson, Machen, and especially Charles, when Williams had a grand total of exactly one win against a top 10 opponent in nearly 100 professional fights.

pundit wrote:Thanks for your lists, guys. I forgot to put in Roland LaStarza though -- I'd be grateful if you could tell me where you see him compared to the others.

Cheers
P

If LaStarza were on that list, I would place him in the top two spots, maybe a joint #1 with Johnson.

But if you meant to include all the best contenders of that time and not just look for a relative comparison of those nine, certainly Moore would top the list.

Marciano Frazier wrote:

pundit wrote:Thanks for your lists, guys. I forgot to put in Roland LaStarza though -- I'd be grateful if you could tell me where you see him compared to the others.

Cheers
P

If LaStarza were on that list, I would place him in the top two spots, maybe a joint #1 with Johnson.

But if you meant to include all the best contenders of that time and not just look for a relative comparison of those nine, certainly Moore would top the list.

It's clear to me that Marciano, Walcott, Charles and Moore were the top dogs in the early 50s. Less clear to me is how to rank the subsequent guys.