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Cassius Marcellus Clay-

Turns amateur at age 12

Amatuer Record: 100 wins, 5 losses

Amatuer Title(s) Held:

6 Kentucky Golden Glove
2 National Golden Glove
1 Athletic Union National

1960 Light Heavyweight Gold Medal*

*Has trouble early against left handed opponent


Professional Record (as Cassius Clay):

1960-1963: 19-0 with 13 KO's

Tunney Hunsaker- W6
Herb Siler- KO 4th
Tony Esperti- KO 3rd
Jimmy Robinson- KO 1st (was a late substitute for another opponent)
Donnie Fleeman- KO 7th; Fleeman was 35-11-1
Lamar Clark- KO 2nd; Clark was 45-2 and once knocked out 6 men in a single night
Duke Sabedong- W10
Alonzo Johnson- W10
Alex Miteff- KO 6th
Willi Besmanoff- KO 7th
Sonny Banks- KO 4th; Ali was knocked down in the 1st
Don Warner- KO 4th
George Logan- KO 4th
Billy Daniels- TKO 7th; Daniels was cut in 2nd, fight stopped due to cut, Daniels was 16-0
Alejandro Lavorante- KO 5th
Archie Moore- KO 4th; Moore was 48 years old at the time and would only have one more fight after this
Charlie Powell- KO 3rd; Ali was hurt by Powell's body punches early on
Doug Jones- W10; 'Fight of The Year' in 1963, controversial decision

-Also spars 2 rounds with former champion Ingemar Johansson back in 1962 in Miami, Florida

1964- wins World Heavyweight title by TKO 7th of Sonny Liston

1964- becomes 'Cassius X', later Muhammad Ali


Professional Record (as Muhammad Ali):

1964-1981:

defends World Heavyweight title against (no order):

Sonny Liston- KO 1st
George Chuvalo- W15
Henry Cooper- TKO 6th
Brian London- KO 3rd
Karl Mildenberger- KO 12th
Cleveland Williams- KO 3rd; missing a kidney, damaged left leg from nerve damage
Ernie Terrell- W15
Floyd Patterson- KO 12th
Zora Folley- KO 7th

-banned from boxing, stripped of title for refusing induction in Armed services

-1967 to 1969 was in exile from boxing

-1967 'won' against Max Schmeling by decision in computer fight, 'loses' to Jim Jefferies by decision
-1969 films computer fight against 'All Time Computer Champion' Rocky Marciano
-1970 film is released, Marciano is declared winner by KO in the 13th round
-Ali also does college 'tours' giving lectures on racism and his career and exile
-Ali also stars in the plays 'Buck White' and 'The Great White Hope'
-Ali also has numerous exhibitions with Alonzo Johnson and amateur hopeful Alan Burton, among others

-1970 makes official comeback in the state of Georgia, which had no state athletic commission

Jerry Quarry- TKO 3rd; Ali is hurt early on by Quarry's body punches and bulled around rather easily
Oscar Bonavena- KO 15th; Rather slow and lackluster fight, Ali winning on points til the KO
Joe Frazier- Losses 15 round decision; in round eleven Ali takes tremendous battering, in 15th is dropped.
Ken Norton- Losses 12 round decision; Ali's jaw is broken
Ken Norton- Wins 12 round decision; very close fight, some might argue Norton was robbed
Joe Frazier- Wins 12 round decision; the less remembered of the trilogy, earns Ali title shot at Foreman
George Foreman- KO 8th; Ali lost every round of the fight until the time of the kayo
Chuck Wepner- TKO 15th; Ali wins virtually every round of the fight, the bout also served as inspiring the movie ROCKY
Ron Lyle- TKO 11th; is apparent now that Ali is more flat footed, Lyle was winning the fight early on, premature stoppage
Joe Frazier- TKO 14th; goes life and death in the Thrilla in Manila, scores were 66-60, 67-62, 66-62
Jean Pierre Coopman- KO 5th round; was a 'easy' defense, a gimme for Ali
Richard Dunne- KO 5th; this fight also marks the last 'knockdowns' of Ali's career, another 'easy' defense
Jimmy Young- W15; highly controversial decision, Young was passive but landed the more frequent shots, Ali is booed
Alfredo Evangelista- W15; another 'easy' defense, 'one of the worst fights of all time' says Howard Cossell
Ken Norton- W15; highly controversial decision, scores were 8-6, 8-7, 8-7 (round system).
Earnie Shavers- W15; Shavers drops Ali in the 2nd, Ali is the only one hurt in the fight, suffers kidney damage
Leon Spinks- Losses 15 round decision; Spinks is only 7-0 as a professional
Leon Spinks- W15 round decision; Spinks is only 8-0 as a professional

Other Bouts During The 1970-1978 'Era':

Bob Foster- KO 8th; Foster becomes the first man to ever cut Muhammad Ali
Alvin 'Blue' Lewis- KO 11th; has so far been the last major HW bout of importance to be held in Ireland
Mac Foster- W15; Foster at one time was pegged to be a 'force' in boxing before losing to Jerry Quarry
Ruddi Lubbers- W15; rather forgetful bout with not alot to write about
Jurgen Blin- KO 7th; Ali beats the Swede rather easily even landing three hooks in a row at one point
Jerry Quarry (2)- TKO 7th; lasts longer than the first, but Ali is easily in control this time around
Floyd Patterson- KO 7th; is Patterson's last bout of his career (NABF title)
Jimmy Ellis- KO 12th; for the NABF title
Joe Bugner- W15 (both times that they fought; once for actual HW title)



-Rumors of a bout or series of bouts over a period of a week with 2x Gold Medalist Tefilio Stevenson
-Has exhibition bout with NFL Raiders star Lyle Alzado, wins 8 round decision (1979)
-Has exhibition in England with a few men including British champion John L. Gardener
-Has exhibition with Scott LeDoux (1978)
-Has boxer vs wrestler exhibtion against Antonio Inoki that goes the 15 round distance (1976)


-Retires; was talk of a match with WBA contender Gerrie Coetzee-

-Makes ill advised comeback in 1980-

-Passes Mayo Clinic tests; 'on finger to nose testing he has a slight degree of missing the target'

-Originally scheduled to face WBA title holder John Tate
-Fight post-poned due to Ali being injured in sparring session
-Then scheduled to face WBA champion Mike Weaver who recently beat John Tate
-Opts to fight Larry Holmes instead, who won general recognition as champion by winning WBC title in 1979

-Losses by TKO in 11th round to Larry Holmes; lands only 10 punches in 10 rounds total, only knockout loss in career
-Losses 10 round decision to Trevor Berbick in the Bahamas, which is to be his last fight (1981)

-Retires-

-Diagnosed officially with Parkinson's Disease in October of 1983-

-During the reign of Tim Witherspoon (WBA champion) rumors circulate that Ali plans another comeback
as he is spotted doing road work with the champion and visits his camp reguarly.

Complete Record: 56-5 with 37 knock outs; three times the world heavyweight champion

Other Facts & Figures of Ali's Career:

-Plans to fight Wilt Chamberlain in a boxing match, Chamberlain later backs out of contractual agreement
-Plans to fight British champion Jack Boddell (early 1970's), fight never materialises
-1977 stars in biopic called 'The Greatest'
-1963 does arguably the first rap album called 'The Greatest', the last demo was the song 'Stand By Me'
-1975 writes his own autobiography
-1962 stars in the film Requiem For a Heavyweight with Anthony Quinn as himself
-1998 RING magazine votes Ali as the greatest HW champion of all time

Ranked By His Fellow Boxers:

Henry Cooper- Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey, Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Muhammad Ali.
George Foreman- Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Muhammad Ali
Joe Frazier- Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Joe Frazier, Muhammad Ali
Marvin Hagler- Muhammad Ali (from his time); Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano (before his time)
Jake LaMotta- Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Muhammad Ali

Ranked By Sports Writers and Historians:

Bert Sugar- Joe Louis, Muhammad Ali
BoxRec- Muhammad Ali #1 on the All-Time HW rankings

Oi Vey...

oi Vey... This is awful.
This isn't exactly a fair and balanced look at his career. (But of course you aren't anti-Ali are you?)

Why do you even mention these computer fights and films? They mean absolutley nothing.

Instead of pointing out that Ali easily won the 2nd Frazier fight, you only say that it's the least remembered of their 3 fights.
He wasn't really hurt by Powell. He wasn't hurt by Jerry Quarry and wasn't bullied around easily.

You mention that Howard Cosell thought the Evangelista fight was horrible (which it was). Yet conveniently you don't mention how great so many of his other fights were.

There may be a few people who think Ali lost the 2nd Norton fight, but most people think he won. This wasn't that controversial. Norton certainly wasn't robbed.

Lets go over the factual mistakes:

Ali lost every round of the Foreman fight? What in the world are you talking about? The fight was about even when it ended. Ali won at least 3 rounds beofre the last round.

Ali was dropped in the Shavers fight? Umm, no he wasn't. Obviously you haven't seen the fight.
Btw-You are wrong that in the Shavers that Ali was the only one hurt in the fight. Ali hurt Shavers and had him in serious trouble.

Try watching these fights.
Try using some logic to make informed opinions.
Try being fair.
Try getting your facts straight.

Alp, you should have just stopped after repeating my Oi Vey.

It's probably best if we all simply ignore this thread and move on.

Yeah, I have to say this is a little biased. I could just as easily make a thread like this about Joe Louis and it would look twice as bad as this.

I Feel Fine wrote:Yeah, I have to say this is a little biased. I could just as easily make a thread like this about Joe Louis and it would look twice as bad as this.

Let's see you do that.

Louis had 23 knockouts in 27 title fights.

Louis never lost his title to a novice who had only 7 professional fights,

like Ali did to Leon Spinks..

Louis was never given gift decisions against Doug Jones, Jimmy Young, Ken Norton, etc.

Louis never fought Ken Norton a total of THIRTY-NINE rounds without ever knocking him down.

Louis didn't quit in his corner against Marciano

like Ali did against Holmes.

No one ever said Louis' important fights were fixed,

unlike the stench from the Liston-Ali "fights."

I was wondering when these two titans would team up......I now await the return of Rocky50project.....signaling the end of civilization as we know it.

Decagon wrote:

granberry wrote:Louis was never given gift decisions.

Louis GAVE WALCOTT A RETURN FIGHT and knocked him out.

Post a photo of Walcott flopped on the canvas for a count of ten, decagon.

ALI NEVER gave Doug Jones a return fight.

Ali NEVER gave Jimmy Young a return fight--even though Young beat Ron Lyle and Foreman in his next important fights after embarrassing Ali.

BoxBuzz wrote:I was wondering when these two titans would team up......I now await the return of Rocky50project.....signaling the end of civilization as we know it.

Buzz the boxing expert shows up.

And, as usual, his post contains NOT A WORD about the topic of boxing.

You have kept your record of never touching on the subject of boxing intact, buzz.

Tell us again about Joe Frazier's singing.

Tell us again how you once had contact with a distant relative of a mobster.

That is as close as poor buzz will ever get to boxing.

Granfairy... I promised pundit I wouldn't respond to you, sorry.

Ali had a better career than Louis, in any way you want to look at it.

Hey Grumbleberry I read, learn and am still acquiring knowledge. I wish only to learn from granmasters such as yourself. Though you embarass your self mightily at times...you waste no energy on humility. Which is always entertaining to those of us who are but humble students.

I Feel Fine wrote:Granfairy... I promised pundit I wouldn't respond to you, sorry.

Ali had a better career than Louis, in any way you want to look at it.

Dear IFeelLikeaFairy,

What you know about the subject you could write on the head of a pin.

An equal statement to yours would be that

you have had a better career as a mathematician than Isaac Newton, in any way you want to look at it.

BoxBuzz wrote:Hey Grumbleberry I read, learn and am still acquiring knowledge. I wish only to learn from granmasters such as yourself. Though you embarass your self mightily at times...you waste no energy on humility. Which is always entertaining to those of us who are but humble students.

Buzz, it is impossible for one like yourself, who does not know the very fundamentals of the subject of boxing, to "acquire knowledge" in the subject.

LOL.

Tell us again about Joe Frazier's singing, buzz.

Then tell us all EXACTLY WHAT you would advise a fighter of yours to do

in facing an opponent who had a good left hook.

Tell us all about it, buzz.

Show us all some of the "knowledge" you have "acquired."

That shouldn't be a hard question for someone with your acquired "knowledge," buzz.

And I have plenty more such questions after you "answer" that simple question.

Show us all your "knowledge," buzz.

I've probably seen more Louis fights than you have, granny.

Decagon wrote:I've read plenty of BoxBuzz's posts, and I've never seen him write anything as stupid as "everyone on the East Coast" knowing about a fix. That shows that you don't even have a basic understanding of the machinations of boxing, Granberry.

That I can not match Granberry's stupidity is but one milestone in my humble yet willfull rise toward a greater acquired knowledge of boxing. I am hoping that in the future even more remarkable things than this will be able to be said about my quest. For now I will simply and with great humility say "thank you" to Decagon for this recognition.

I shall now go forth with a new resolve to focus on ever greater accomplishments in the future.

George Foreman- KO 8th; Ali lost every round of the fight until the time of the kayo

Did he? I am not sure what the official scorecards read at the time of the KO, but I have Ali ahead 4 rounds to 3.

Also, having watched Clay-Jones I can say that Clay won a close but clear decision. The only reason anyone could have scored it to Jones is the anti-Clay sentiment at the time (largely thanks to his motormouth).

Never seen Ali-Young, but tend to agree that Ali was lucky to get the decision over Norton. Also, every fight after the Thrilla in Manilla was that of a faded, Parkinson's already setting-in Ali, who should not really have been fighting any more. So those fights are about as relevant as Mariano-Louis in terms of legacy.

You have done this before I think?

http://www.boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=54709

KOJOE90 wrote:You have done this before I think?

http://www.boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=54709

and will probably continue untill we give in... has anyone ever been to a meeting, when it gets to the end, you all want to go, and the question 'any other business' is uttered?

and someone (always the same ilk of person) puts their hand up with a question that keeps us all there for another hour, with reffering to past minutes, and points of order?

well thats how i feel with these posts, tbh.... if 99 out of 100 people disagree with him, but one person agrees, he must see it as a matter of time untill the other 99 see the light...

Some folks you meet in life will fall in the following catagory....

Often wrong, but never in doubt.