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Was it?.

I don't know about him, but I heard that Roberto Duran once KO a horse with a punch.

Yes.

Michael Spinks says he hit pretty hard.

glittermonkey wrote:Yes.

Michael Spinks says he hit pretty hard.

when did spinks say this?. pretty hard isnt much of a compliment.

Of course Tyson hit hard, that's not the issue. The issue here is: Just how hard did 'Iron' Mike hit?

I dont believe Tyson's power punch was ever 'measured', but, Rocky Marciano's was [was the equivilant of the energy of an armour piercing shell, same amount of energy required to spot lift 1,000 pounds one foot off the ground], as was George Foreman's power estimated at 1,200 pounds of pressure per square inch.

Heard it once said that Sam McVey hit at 3,000 pounds, but I believe this is just as silly a notion, as saying that every black man who didnt get a shot at a white man was automatically better.

HomicideHenry wrote:Of course Tyson hit hard, that's not the issue. The issue here is: Just how hard did 'Iron' Mike hit?

I dont believe Tyson's power punch was ever 'measured', but, Rocky Marciano's was [was the equivilant of the energy of an armour piercing shell, same amount of energy required to spot lift 1,000 pounds one foot off the ground], as was George Foreman's power estimated at 1,200 pounds of pressure per square inch.

Heard it once said that Sam McVey hit at 3,000 pounds, but I believe this is just as silly a notion, as saying that every black man who didnt get a shot at a white man was automatically better.

is foremans 1200 psi measurement factual?.

Ivan Drago hit at 2300 psi and still got beat by an old, out of retirement Rocky Balboa

The 1,200 pounds of pressure psi story of Foreman's, to best of my knowledge, was never actually done in an actual test. It's become one of those urban legends of boxing, so to speak. Marciano, Jimmy Wilde, are the only two men that I ever read of that was ever officially tested by a laboratory with any credibility---Marciano's punching prowess was from his brute strength, while Wilde's was proven to be from his deadly accuracy and hand speed.

I could be wrong, but though it has been said Foreman was 1,200 psi's, I never read of any such article that ever backed it up.

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HomicideHenry wrote:The 1,200 pounds of pressure psi story of Foreman's, to best of my knowledge, was never actually done in an actual test. It's become one of those urban legends of boxing, so to speak. Marciano, Jimmy Wilde, are the only two men that I ever read of that was ever officially tested by a laboratory with any credibility---Marciano's punching prowess was from his brute strength, while Wilde's was proven to be from his deadly accuracy and hand speed.

I could be wrong, but though it has been said Foreman was 1,200 psi's, I never read of any such article that ever backed it up.

what did jimmy wilde score on the machine?. 1200 psi sounds low for foreman . vitali klitschko scored 1300 psi . vitali hit hard but there is no way he hit harder than foreman.

These measurements mean nothing. They are interesting in a novelty way but other than that they are meaningless. Unless all the fighters were in peak condition, hitting the same machine on the same day then it proves very little.

IMO accurate punching combined with timing and speed is what sets punhcers apart.

milky skin wrote:what did jimmy wilde score on the machine?.

I would imagine Jimmy Wilde was too busy fighting for money.

Ezzard wrote:These measurements mean nothing. They are interesting in a novelty way but other than that they are meaningless. Unless all the fighters were in peak condition, hitting the same machine on the same day then it proves very little.

IMO accurate punching combined with timing and speed is what sets punhcers apart.

timing is huge, someone walking in to your Fedex delivery adds quite a bit of power to the equation.

Wilde was tested under a very standard test, which clearly from day one ruled out the possibility that Wilde's power was from his own power, as he wasn't a very strong man in any way---it was just determined that his punching prowess had to have been from his hand speed, deadly accuracy and great timing.

Look at Thomas Hearns, he was a great puncher, but it was clear he wasn't a stronger man than Hagler, who eventually knocked him out. Or take Larry Holmes insight that, "Shavers hit like he was from another planet, but Randy Cobb is the strongest mother I ever fought."

Marciano's power wasn't just from his own brute strength, but from how he put his weight into his punch, his commitment to his punches, his shifting/swarming motion---Klitschko could have hit at 1,300 psi's but then again, kayo percentage doesn't mean directly that that means someone is a tremendously strong man.

Only men that I know of whose own strength translated into sheer kayo power was John L. Sullivan, Jim Jefferies, Rocky Marciano and George Foreman.

Yes it was measured with this official "Punch-0-Meter"

and this "Slug-O-Scope".

if speed equals power then how come foreman had a lot of power but no speed and he hit like a truck.

Like I said before, the only men that I ever known of whose own physical strength translated to punching power was John L. Sullivan, Jim Jefferies, Rocky Marciano and Foreman. Foreman's road work often consisted of him pulling a car or truck behind him uphill, thats just one example of his own physical strength.

But, I think also, since Foreman was a rather big man for his era, that due to his long arms, he had leverage behind his blows---though, it must be said that generally, punching downward is less powerful than a punch coming upwards or straight from the shoulder. Thomas Hearns was rather tall for his weight class and it was to his benefit, as he had more leverage against his opponents.

This is evident in the Frazier fight. Watch Foreman land that uppercut on Frazier's jaw, he went up and then went down on the canvas. It's alot about angles, how a punch is thrown, the commitment to the punch---and Foreman was very confident in his abilities.