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Olusegun won every round against Reid but failed to stop him - OK Reid is a tough fighter with a good chin but despite getting a couple of massive bombs from Olusegun he managed to survive to the final bell - Olusegan wasnt happy with his win and knew he could do a lot better - Didnt like his showboating, no need for it, Reid was completely out of his depth and knew it but taking the piss was unfair - Reid did his best and won the crowd over for his efforts whereas Olusegun IMO gained no fans despite winning by a landslide - Olusegun has almost everything, the quickest hands in British boxing in particular - What he needs now is a good following and he could be on his way to a glittering career - I think he could be another Mayweather in the making if he can get the big fights - He certainly is a tremendous talent that would be too much for Witter IMO and would give Ricky Hatton some problems - Definately world class and lets hope winning the Commonwealth belt gets him in the mix with the best in the division.

yeah, hes another mayweather alright. Who was the last fighter with a 13-16-1, 15-11-2, 13-10-1 or 5-17 record Mayweather faught? These are records of 4 of his last 5 opponents. He is 20-0 you would think he'd step it up a tad.

His best win was against Ali Nuumbembe so he needs to beat about 10 sure fire stars in several weightclasses to even compare.

he's nothing like him. mayweather is well schooled, economical, textbook. even as a prospect which I think this thread starter is getting at. (oh, btw floyd has fought men with losing records in his prospect days...jesus chavez, a journeyman southpaw who troubled PBF).

ajose is herky jerky, southpaw, looping shots. if you want to compare him to world champs, look at Calzaghe and Omar Narvaes (accomplished, busy WBO flyweight titlist from Argentina). for the southpaw flurries that stun you likea high pressure hosepipe.

i'll give ajose this. he is world class talent in that the raw material is there. ajose needs to learn to keep his concentration and is far better when he pressures a man. olusegun is gifted, brilliantly conditioned, but needs to buckle down, stir up interest and get good domestic scene fights. i think lynes, morrison, daws will bring the best out of him. if he really convinces, a shot at Witter or M'Baye isn't as far off as it sounds.

Jesus Chavez = A Journeyman, with a losing record? Didn't he become a two weight world champion. A World class boxer who was arguably beating Eric Morales untill his shoulder went - made to look average by Mayweather.

Olusugun is nothing like Mayweather, not in style or ability. I wouldn't mind to see him in with Witter - but I think Witter would be a deserving favourite based on last nights showing (and I have before tipped Olusugun).

Lets see what he can do in European level class, before jumping the gun.

I've notice the discussion on Munyai has gone a bit quiet after last nights display also.

stujones wrote:Jesus Chavez = A Journeyman, with a losing record? Didn't he become a two weight world champion. A World class boxer who was arguably beating Eric Morales untill his shoulder went - made to look average by Mayweather.

Olusugun is nothing like Mayweather, not in style or ability. I wouldn't mind to see him in with Witter - but I think Witter would be a deserving favourite based on last nights showing (and I have before tipped Olusugun).

Lets see what he can do in European level class, before jumping the gun.

I've notice the discussion on Munyai has gone a bit quiet after last nights display also.

there are 100s of Jesus Chavez's. Mayweather fought two of them. look it up in mayweather's record.

I've notice the discussion on Munyai has gone a bit quiet after last nights display a

How did he look I missed the whole show, was he lacklustre or something??

stujones wrote:Jesus Chavez = A Journeyman, with a losing record? Didn't he become a two weight world champion. A World class boxer who was arguably beating Eric Morales untill his shoulder went - made to look average by Mayweather.

Olusugun is nothing like Mayweather, not in style or ability. I wouldn't mind to see him in with Witter - but I think Witter would be a deserving favourite based on last nights showing (and I have before tipped Olusugun).

Lets see what he can do in European level class, before jumping the gun.

I've notice the discussion on Munyai has gone a bit quiet after last nights display also.

well, he was in a shit fight where he didn't know whom he was fighting till this week.there wasn't much to say. bad matchmaking, bad shape, spoiler opponent, looked totally blunt. but he was outstanding in those commonwealth bantam fights.

last night was a real pity. these are two guys who have excellent on the domestic scene. and then to look like they did...

How could Olusegun be tipped to have a chance at this moment Stu?

Going by the opposition logic he's done no more than winning the commonwealth title and had a best win against a weight drained Ali who had to take the fight because he needs to money to stay In the Uk.

To be honest i am not overly fussed on Olusegun, he has talent but as for raw world class i'm not convinced. I think he could give problems at fringe world level but we shall see if he goes any further in time.

I knew any comparison with Mayweather would stir things up a bit and possibly get a lively thread going, naughty me - Quite obviously Mayweather is in another class and like him or hate him you have to respect the fact that he is exceptional - Olusegun has the skills but needs to work on them before attempting to snatch a world title which given time I think he will - To be honest Olusegun and Munyai had the wrong opponents to look good against especially Munyai - You can see Olusegun has natural ability and he will raise his game against a better class of opponent - I would love to see him in with Witter who I believe is no longer as good as he was - I dont think Witter would like the pace and the tremendous hand speed of Olusegun - A couple of good opponents and work on defense and I think Olusegun would beat Witter - Hatton would beat Witter very convincingly and although its a fight we would all like to see, I am pretty sure there could only be one result - Olusegun needs to forget Hatton, he not only wouldnt get the chance to fight him, he wouldnt stand a chance of beating him anyway, certainly not at the moment - I do think Olusegun will bring excitement and interest to the division and given time IMO will hold a light welter belt.

Katon! wrote:How could Olusegun be tipped to have a chance at this moment Stu?

Going by the opposition logic he's done no more than winning the commonwealth title and had a best win against a weight drained Ali who had to take the fight because he needs to money to stay In the Uk.

Well, before his last fight - I think he's shown a good punch, good stamina and a decent workrate. Thats all I think you need to beat Junior at this stage.

Kotelnik and Ndou are good, but hardly elite (top world class) and whilst I think Olusugun is only of the same level... I don't think Junior is any higher either. If Colin Lynes can give Junior Witter some legitimate problems, then Olusugun can go further. However, he dissapointed me vs Reid and I think the Pryce, Nuumbembe performances might have flattered him (as did Power/Haskins flatter Munyai).

Bradley Price is his best win IMO, Bradley beat Ossie Duran pretty comfortably (therefore winning his Commonwealth title pretty comfortably), Nuumbembe beat Anderson in a close one, that could have gone either way. There is also no legitimately reason as to why Pryce folded so quickly... he had the preperation time, he's still a natural Welterweight... he had all the "hometown" breaks which Nuumbembe didn't.... Yet, Olusugun smashed him.

Also, I might be wrong here - but Nuumbembe wasn't weight drained, the fight was a Welterweight fight.... However, he was admittedly not sharp due to the lack of prep time.

I don't think Olusegun and Munyai were flattered by their big wins. Munyai excelled in 3 fights and Ajose excelled twice, when he got the opportunities - 2004 and 2006. I think Munyai was over weight, out of shape and not mentally there, and I think Ajose was up his own backside on Friday. They just did nil to advance their case. It doesn't mean they're not very very talented. When we look at these two and compare them to, say, other prospects, these are just about the only 2 prospects in the country to have actually won FIGHTS (as opposed to showcase bouts andmismatches).

Olusegun needs to work on his accuracy, he has the speed , but if you look at his punches landed percentage in fights its quite poor. Against Reid he should have conected alot more, as Reid was a standing target.

If Olusegun fixes his attitude - which SUCKED, let's face it who likes a smart arse - and if his promoter develops him, he can definitely win at ver least a paper world title. He can follow in the footsteps of high speed flurry fighters like Omar Narvaes and Calzaghe, i.e. at least in getting a title. I have little doubt that he go egomaniac again though.

What Ajose has to do is flummox ppl with that variety, break the body, knock their heads back with uppercuts. He has real flair and ability.

He reminded me of a poor mans Naz

He reminded me more of Witter. Which I guess is the same thing.

Olusegun and Munyai are a lot, lot better than they were Friday night and I have to admit I was disapointed by their lack of performance but as they say there is always next time.

wildwaylon wrote:Olusegun and Munyai are a lot, lot better than they were Friday night and I have to admit I was disapointed by their lack of performance but as they say there is always next time.

I Hope you are right. However, when I saw them both fight (especially Munyai) I couldn't help but think of Yuri Ramanov. When Ramanov came over here and toyed with Murray and destroyed Vanzie, I thought "Jesus, we have something here". I was giving it the old "watch out for this guy" on the US based Boxingranks.com forum. He looked the absolute bomb a future world champion in his sleep. Best damn prospect I had seen in the world for a while (him and Cotto).

I remember, the boxingranks guys were very critical of a proposed Freitas vs Ramanov match (Ramanov held the #1 position at the time) and I was saying "I think Ramanov wins". Then he fought Steve Conway and laboured to a dull decision, then after an absence he LOST to Earl but has bounced back well. However, according to all reports Melero was dominating the bout with Ramanov before getting tagged - so how much above EBU level is he remains to be seen.

What is clear is that although Ramanov is still clearly a very good fighter - I think the manner of his Vanzie/Murray wins have flattered him. He is not the fighter many British fight fans thought he was going to be.

Is the same going to happen to Olusugen and Munyai. I suspect yes. Obviously good fighters, but world class? Munyai is going to grow into a featherweight VERY soon - his chin looked suspect vs Ramagoadi.

Out of the 3 Commonwealth Champions from Africa based in the Uk, Its Jackson Asiku I thought was the most complete article - who I would like to see fight a Nicky Cook.

stujones wrote:

wildwaylon wrote:Olusegun and Munyai are a lot, lot better than they were Friday night and I have to admit I was disapointed by their lack of performance but as they say there is always next time.

I Hope you are right. However, when I saw them both fight (especially Munyai) I couldn't help but think of Yuri Ramanov. When Ramanov came over here and toyed with Murray and destroyed Vanzie, I thought "Jesus, we have something here". I was giving it the old "watch out for this guy" on the US based Boxingranks.com forum. He looked the absolute bomb a future world champion in his sleep. Best damn prospect I had seen in the world for a while (him and Cotto).

Gregorio Vargas was the one for me, he looked a sure fire longterm champion when beating Paul Hodkinson, but never scaled the heights we thought he would.

Olusegun has a long wy to go before he can compare himself to Vargas.

Also remember Munyai gave a lot of weight away on Friday

Yes i think the weight was a big factor in Munyai's performance. He couldn't boss the centre of the ring, but he came through a test, and it proves he can't walk through opponents all the time, all in all a good learning experience for the lad.

stujones wrote:

wildwaylon wrote:Olusegun and Munyai are a lot, lot better than they were Friday night and I have to admit I was disapointed by their lack of performance but as they say there is always next time.

I Hope you are right. However, when I saw them both fight (especially Munyai) I couldn't help but think of Yuri Ramanov. When Ramanov came over here and toyed with Murray and destroyed Vanzie, I thought "Jesus, we have something here". I was giving it the old "watch out for this guy" on the US based Boxingranks.com forum. He looked the absolute bomb a future world champion in his sleep. Best damn prospect I had seen in the world for a while (him and Cotto).

I remember, the boxingranks guys were very critical of a proposed Freitas vs Ramanov match (Ramanov held the #1 position at the time) and I was saying "I think Ramanov wins". Then he fought Steve Conway and laboured to a dull decision, then after an absence he LOST to Earl but has bounced back well. However, according to all reports Melero was dominating the bout with Ramanov before getting tagged - so how much above EBU level is he remains to be seen.

What is clear is that although Ramanov is still clearly a very good fighter - I think the manner of his Vanzie/Murray wins have flattered him. He is not the fighter many British fight fans thought he was going to be.

Is the same going to happen to Olusugen and Munyai. I suspect yes. Obviously good fighters, but world class? Munyai is going to grow into a featherweight VERY soon - his chin looked suspect vs Ramagoadi.

Out of the 3 Commonwealth Champions from Africa based in the Uk, Its Jackson Asiku I thought was the most complete article - who I would like to see fight a Nicky Cook.

Thanks Stu and of course you are absolutely right - Over the years we have seen so many get to 20 something and 0 and got excited about what they were going to acheive only to be disapointed - They either find their level and get a thrashing, or dont get the fights they need to reach the top - However I love to watch these African lads because of their guts to take on anyone win or lose - Olusegun knows he couldnt expect to beat Hatton but he would love to try and I dont think money has much to do with it - Padded records and protecting their unbeaten record is of no interest - Its getting the opportunities to fight champions that really matters most to them - OK accuracy and a better defence has to be a priority for Olusegun if he wants to get to the top but he already has great skills - Fast hands and great footwork are his strong points along with superb fitness - Anyway I like him and time will tell if he is top notch but I think he has great potential if he is managed right.

stujones wrote:

Katon! wrote:How could Olusegun be tipped to have a chance at this moment Stu?

Going by the opposition logic he's done no more than winning the commonwealth title and had a best win against a weight drained Ali who had to take the fight because he needs to money to stay In the Uk.

Well, before his last fight - I think he's shown a good punch, good stamina and a decent workrate. Thats all I think you need to beat Junior at this stage.

Kotelnik and Ndou are good, but hardly elite (top world class) and whilst I think Olusugun is only of the same level... I don't think Junior is any higher either. If Colin Lynes can give Junior Witter some legitimate problems, then Olusugun can go further. However, he dissapointed me vs Reid and I think the Pryce, Nuumbembe performances might have flattered him (as did Power/Haskins flatter Munyai).

Bradley Price is his best win IMO, Bradley beat Ossie Duran pretty comfortably (therefore winning his Commonwealth title pretty comfortably), Nuumbembe beat Anderson in a close one, that could have gone either way. There is also no legitimately reason as to why Pryce folded so quickly... he had the preperation time, he's still a natural Welterweight... he had all the "hometown" breaks which Nuumbembe didn't.... Yet, Olusugun smashed him.

Also, I might be wrong here - but Nuumbembe wasn't weight drained, the fight was a Welterweight fight.... However, he was admittedly not sharp due to the lack of prep time.

Ali could of been weight drained becuase he took the weight off too quick though.

Kotelnik and N'dou have proven more than Olusegun even If there not elite but there no elite opponents In Light Welter except Hatton, the rest are average world class.

Witter could of had a bad night like every fighter gets Vs Lynes, Calzaghe had terrible nights against the likes of Starie too.