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Two of boxing bad boys. Who wins? Bad Benny or Bad Lights Out Toney?

Bad Bennie IMO.

Toney on points, if hes in condition for the fight

While I think Toney was much more skilled than Briscoe, I also think that he wasn’t at his best at 160 because he wasn’t comfortable making that weight. It’s hard to make weight when you naturally want to train at Pizza Hut.

If Toney had to make weight the day of the fight, he would probably get stopped. I think even if they weighed in the day before the fight, Briscoe could have beaten Toney at 160, although he probably couldn’t have stopped the 200 lb Toney that entered the ring.

The press conference for this one might have been fun. Would even James Toney dare to spout his trash talk to Bad Bennie Briscoe?

Part of me thinks stylewise Toney is all wrong for Briscoe. Toney as we know is a very clever fighter with good defence, fast hands and clever with the counter shots and Briscoe wasn't the fastest of fighters.

However at 160lbs Toney was a strange fighter with a history of weight problems. If he entered the ring weight drained against Briscoe he would be in trouble, over 15 rounds could 'Lights Out' survive against the relentless, ultra tough Briscoe walking him down, whilst having his mid-section and kidneys constantly pounded by Briscoes savage left hook?

I doubt it. The Briscoe how gave Monzon a hell of a fight would dish out too much heat over 15 bruising rounds for a weight weakened Toney.

It sounds like Briscoe's "bad" rep went beyond the ring? What was he like out of the ring? Any good anecdotes about him?

I'm assuming this is based on prime conditions not if "Toney is weight drained."

If that's the case Toney would beat Briscoe by a wide spread. Toney is simply better.

I'm assuming this is based on prime conditions not if "Toney is weight drained."

Yeah, I always thought thats how you're supposed judge the mythical matchups, both fighters at their optimum conditioning.

If that's the case Toney would beat Briscoe by a wide spread. Toney is simply better.

Agreed. I think people are going a bit overboard with Briscoe here. Yes he was tough, rough and if you fought him more than likely your done. But Bennie was highly susceptible to getting out boxed. he was out boxed by lesser fighters than Toney, whose sturdy chin and great defense would help him weather the Briscoe storm.

Toney UD.

If both fighters are at their best I pick toney.. by Close UD.. I just think Toneys defense is too good for Briscoe to put any kind of consistent offense together his chin is good enough to take the shots when he has too...

Decagon wrote:My odds:

• James Toney -185
• Bennie Briscoe +160
• Toney by KO, TKO or DQ: +350
• Toney by Decision: +120
• Briscoe by KO, TKO or DQ: +450
• Briscoe by Decision: +210
• Over 13.5 Rounds: -210
• Under 13.5 Rounds: +190
• Draw: +2000

You have to wonder which James Toney will show up but on the other hand, Briscoe wasn't the model of consistency, and he didn't do particularly well against defensive-minded fighters like Toney. I'd probably have money on the over, and Toney by decision.

Horrible odds. This looks like it was generated from a bookie proggie without any human input. Complete shit.

Not enough money in it either way for you to offer up the $100.00?

Maybe you would prefer the odds on Lennox Lewis vs Willie Pep.

BoxBuzz wrote:Not enough money in it either way for you to offer up the $100.00?

Maybe you would prefer the odds on Lennox Lewis vs Willie Pep.

Briscoe was severely overrated.

You probably think he would win 5 rounds against Toney.

theone wrote:Yeah, I always thought thats how you're supposed judge the mythical matchups, both fighters at their optimum conditioning.

The only realistic weight this match could be at is at Middleweight and was Toney ever in optimom condition at this weight?

Unless we are talking about putting a 160lbs Briscoe in with a 200lbs Toney?

This does not stretch the imagination......IMHO.

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Both fighters are IMO a bit overrated, especially Toney. In his prime as a MW, he lost normally to Tiberi, McCallum, Johnson, Sosa, Willis, etc., Bennie with his power and pressure would be able to get an UD against James... btw, if this fight would go 15 rounds, Toney would get KTFO later...


Briscoe UD Toney (7-5)

BoxBuzz wrote:This does not stretch the imagination......IMHO.

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Hmmmm. I could accept Toney winning, but dropping Briscoe severalt times and stopping him seems like a stretch.

BB, how about that Charles-Holyfield sim?

The Great John L wrote:

BoxBuzz wrote:This does not stretch the imagination......IMHO.

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Hmmmm. I could accept Toney winning, but dropping Briscoe severalt times and stopping him seems like a stretch.

BB, how about that Charles-Holyfield sim?

Well the sim has Toney as bit bigger fighter at his peak so that's why I can accept the outcome. Middle vs Middle I lean to Bennie or a SD.

Decagon wrote:Is Toney at 190 or something?

Briscoe is listed as middle
Toney as super middle.....not a great deal of difference but enough to give a tangible edge where it's close in most catagories.