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Trinidad Returns, Scuppers Hatton - Mayweather?

Posted: 01 Jul 2007, 06:06
by Carbo
Here's a slice of Dan Rafael's weekend notebook.
Coming out of retirement seems so fashionable.

Light heavyweight king Bernard Hopkins is ending his retirement to fight Winky Wright on July 21.

The retirement of pound-for-pound king Floyd Mayweather Jr. appears to have lasted all of six weeks (shocking!) now that talks are heating up for a fight with junior welterweight champ Ricky Hatton.

And, don't look now, but guess who's about to join the party?

Puerto Rican icon Felix Trinidad (42-2, 35 KOs), the former three-division champ, who intends to end his second retirement by fighting, he hopes, in December or January.

"He's in great spirits, great health and great shape. He is going to come back," promoter Don King told ESPN.com in his first public remarks about Trinidad's rumored comeback. "It's an extraordinary day for boxing."

King went to San Juan last Friday with Dana Jamison, his vice president of boxing operations, and close adviser Juan Gonzalez to meet with Trinidad, his father-trainer Felix "Papa" Trinidad Sr. and attorney Nicolas Medina.

The subject of the two-day visit was Trinidad's comeback.

"It was, 'Please, Tito come back. The public wants you back, I want you back, boxing needs you back,'" King said. "He asked, 'What do you have for me?'"

King said Trinidad is up for fights with any of the top stars: Mayweather, Roy Jones, Shane Mosley, Jermain Taylor, a rematch with the winner of Hopkins-Wright and eventually a rematch with Oscar De La Hoya.

"He said, 'I want to fight all of them.' Now, it's up to me to go to work and deliver for him," King said. "He was listening to me and he was feeling good. We have a very special relationship. He knew I was coming to Puerto Rico to bring him back. He told me to go to work. I'm excited, ecstatic and overwhelmed. Boxing needs this now. Boxing needs Tito."

King said Jones is Trinidad's first desire. They were on track to fight once before, but it was derailed when Hopkins knocked out Trinidad in September 2001 to become undisputed middleweight champion.

"What he wants to do now is he wants to kick Roy Jones' ass," King said.

"The fight against Jones would be more realistic to make a comeback for Tito," Papa Trinidad told the Associated Press. "Jones is in a different [weight] category, but for Tito it would be much easier to make 170 pounds [than going back to 160]. Jones has always been one of the opponents that we have wanted for Tito."

Jones, who faces Anthony Hanshaw on July 14, is interested.

"This will be the second time this should've happened," Jones said. "We should have fought back in the day, but his loss to Hopkins ruined it. Let's get it on now. I love it."

King said Trinidad could return as soon as December. More likely, however, it would be January. King said the comeback would not just be a cameo.

"It's not a one-shot deal," King said. "His ultimate goal is to whip Oscar's ass, but we won't wait on Oscar. The island ain't big enough for both of them. But he won't beg for Oscar. So he will get Oscar by whipping everyone so nobody is left for Oscar to fight."

Trinidad, a former champion at 147, 154 and 160 pounds, first retired after beating Hacine Cherifi in May 2002, only to return in October 2004, when he crushed Ricardo Mayorga in eight rounds.

However, in Trinidad's next fight, Wright easily outpointed him in May 2005, sending him into retirement again.

In Puerto Rico, fans have clamored for Trinidad's return since the Wright fight. King said the outpouring of love from the fans that he saw while with Trinidad last week probably pushed him over the top.

"When we talked about [a comeback] his eyes glittered and shined," King said. "We met at the El San Juan Hotel, and everybody gave him a round of applause when we came in and [they cheered] 'Tito, come back!' I think that did it more than anything. We walked in there, and it was spontaneous love in the lobby."

King said that whenever and whomever Trinidad faces, he will fight at New York's Madison Square Garden, where he has fought many times and is a crowd favorite, especially among the large Puerto Rican population.

"It's going to be one hell of a New York celebration," King said. "He is working now, getting himself prepared. Tito is the man. It doesn't matter who he fights. He can come back with anyone and the Garden will be sold-out. Tito is the top honcho here. We're not concerned with who the opponent would be, but we would want a top, dangerous opponent. Tito loves the sport of boxing and the fans. He told me he wants a top opponent so the risk factor is there and so people can't say he's coming back for any other reason than because he wants to fight the best. We can bring excitement back with Tito."

King said he was impressed by promoter Bob Arum's ability to sell out the Garden for Miguel Cotto of Puerto Rico against Zab Judah on June 9. King predicted Trinidad also would draw a massive crowd.

"I'm very proud of 'Lonesome' Bob for putting that many people in there," King said. "But now we're bringing the grand master back."
I really suspect that Mayweather would be tempted into a fight with Trinidad, which would do almost as much as his fight against Dela Hoya, given the huge, huge size difference, Trinidad's power, and the puerto Rican's popularity in the US and Madison Square Garden where the fight would be held.

I really think that if Hatton wants Mayweather, he needs to move fast and let himself take the thin end of the wedge.

Comments, chaps?

Posted: 01 Jul 2007, 12:15
by Chambers2
After reading that PBF doesn't seem high up on Trinidads list of priorities at the moment, can't see him being allowed to jump straight in with the P4P #1, but I suppose money talks. It doesn't seem as though Tito is looking to comeback at 154 either and I don't see PBF moving up passed that especially if there isn't a belt at stake.

Not again!!

Posted: 01 Jul 2007, 12:45
by KOJOE90
I've never quite 'got' Trinidad, sure he was an outstanding figher but the way some parts of the media and many fight fans go on about him they seem to be under the impression he is a mixture of Tommy Hearns and Sugar Ray Robinson.

Trinidad looked very much on the slide against Winky Wright even taking it into account that it's hard to look good against the tricky Wright.

I also felt Trinidad lost to De La Hoya the forst time, if only just, and De La Hoya looks to have aged better than Tito.

This will not end good for Trinidad I feel.

Posted: 01 Jul 2007, 13:17
by josh fg
lots of old folks seem to be comming back for fair well tours its almost like the networks aren't spending enough money on developing new tallent in the sport cos its cheeper to have old folks knocking 10 cans of shit out of each other

Posted: 01 Jul 2007, 15:15
by steve689
Can't say i'm excited by this return, even though Trinidad was tremendous in his prime he looked cumbersome and lacking ideas against Wriht and the retirement looked a good decision.

I imagine DLH will be gunning for the rematch he has always craved.

Posted: 01 Jul 2007, 15:20
by leforge
Had a good fight with Mayorga though.

Posted: 01 Jul 2007, 15:22
by steve689
That is true, i think styles make fights and Mayorga-Trinidad was a stylistic beauty. However wouldn't Mayweather and/or DLH just run rings round Trinidad the way Wright did?

Posted: 01 Jul 2007, 15:29
by leforge
How about Cotto v Trindad.

Posted: 01 Jul 2007, 18:57
by jamesmcdonnell
Really don't want to see Trinidad back, he looked terrible last time out, and has been extremely inactive since the Hopkins fight. Mentally I think Hopkins ruined him, and apparently Tito is a right fat bastard when away from the ring, so all this time off won't have done him much good.

Mayweather would probably piss all over him at this stage, but I do wonder whether tito could even make 154 at his age.

Posted: 02 Jul 2007, 03:37
by Autobarn
Trinidad wants to fight at 160 and above.

Posted: 02 Jul 2007, 04:06
by Phenomenal-Nutrition
Trinidad kryptonite has always been against skilled boxers and hes lucky he never faced Quartey at 147. Above 154 hes never been strong enough.

He may be able to beat Delhoya now Delahoya has slowed and is more hittable and he maybe able to beat Mayweather based on the fact Mayweather so small and Trinidad can walk through everything to land

Hopefully Mayweather-Hatton is made before Trinidad comes back. I doubt he'd take Mayweather without a warm up anyway

Posted: 02 Jul 2007, 06:39
by stujones
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:Trinidad kryptonite has always been against skilled boxers and hes lucky he never faced Quartey at 147. Above 154 hes never been strong enough.

He may be able to beat Delhoya now Delahoya has slowed and is more hittable and he maybe able to beat Mayweather based on the fact Mayweather so small and Trinidad can walk through everything to land

Hopefully Mayweather-Hatton is made before Trinidad comes back. I doubt he'd take Mayweather without a warm up anyway
DLH has matured into a more grizzled old veteran. Even though he didn't get the decision vs Mayweather, he still fought a smart fight (up untill round 10) - similarly vs Mosley in the rematch he fought smart.

He scrapped past Whittikar and Quartey but not sure if he learned from them. He learned a hell of a lot vs Vargas. I think he is a better fighter now than he was in 1999 - think he would possibly stop Tito this time.

Posted: 02 Jul 2007, 06:47
by Phenomenal-Nutrition
stujones wrote:
Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:Trinidad kryptonite has always been against skilled boxers and hes lucky he never faced Quartey at 147. Above 154 hes never been strong enough.

He may be able to beat Delhoya now Delahoya has slowed and is more hittable and he maybe able to beat Mayweather based on the fact Mayweather so small and Trinidad can walk through everything to land

Hopefully Mayweather-Hatton is made before Trinidad comes back. I doubt he'd take Mayweather without a warm up anyway
DLH has matured into a more grizzled old veteran. Even though he didn't get the decision vs Mayweather, he still fought a smart fight (up untill round 10) - similarly vs Mosley in the rematch he fought smart.

He scrapped past Whittikar and Quartey but not sure if he learned from them. He learned a hell of a lot vs Vargas. I think he is a better fighter now than he was in 1999 - think he would possibly stop Tito this time.
I certainly had Delahoya beating Trinidad. I just wonder if this flat footed version of Delahoya can keep Trinidad off him

Posted: 02 Jul 2007, 06:50
by stujones
Well, I'd like to see Trinidad have a comeback fight first just to see how much is left at 35 - but its been the flat footed typed that have given him problems in the past - people with a solid jab. That is one weapon of DLH's that has improved alot since 1999.

Although, I never thought the 1999 version of DLH would beat Trinidad at 154 lbs.

Posted: 02 Jul 2007, 07:06
by KO Artist
Autobarn wrote:Trinidad wants to fight at 160 and above.
Good fight for Calzaghe