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UFC: Will it take over boxing???
Posted: 01 Jul 2007, 14:49
by elmersalsa
Wil the UFC, Ultimate Fighting Championships will take over Boxing?
I have seen reports that this sport is growing pretty strong and is having a national and world wide following. What do you guys think? Is it over for boxing in 5 years?
Posted: 01 Jul 2007, 14:58
by silkov
never!.... show me any UFC fight that can live anywhere close to even a half decent boxing match??.... I dont understand the source of this supposed competition. UFC is basically WWF wrestling made a little more serious so the fans think theyre seeing something really violent, but in truth these are guys who are often koed by just one punch... its a totally different sport from boxing. Its like saying Banger racing will take over from Formula one.
Posted: 02 Jul 2007, 12:00
by 'Rocket'Rigby
silkov wrote:but in truth these are guys who are often koed by just one punch...
Exactly, my brother-in-law is a big fan and convinced me to watch UFC when his 'hero' Chuck Liddell was fighting, it was over as he took a punch to the jaw. Complete garbage... I don't see the attraction personally...I've seen and been in my fair share of fights in the street, I don't want to see it on TV.
That's all it is but with gloves on. No skill involved, no pyschology or fight plan.
Boxing will never be toppled by a 'so-called' sport that allows us to go back to the caveman era...
Rocket
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Molon Labe!
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Posted: 02 Jul 2007, 14:03
by barry
>>>never!.... show me any UFC fight that can live anywhere close to even a half decent boxing match??<<<
I certainly wish this was true, but when I see arena's absolutely full of people to watch an MMA event where pretty much unknown fighters are fighting and then see the cream of the crop in boxing having a difficult time even breaking even at the gate, much less filling an arena...well there is obviously bad news ahead! I don't think boxing will be ended, but unless there is some drastic changes made within the sport then it is going to slowly die, but due to MMA it will be at a little faster pace. Boxing can directly thank those in charge...the promoters....the commissions and exspecially the title orgs!
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Posted: 02 Jul 2007, 14:40
by dempseyfire
barry wrote:>>>never!.... show me any UFC fight that can live anywhere close to even a half decent boxing match??<<<
I certainly wish this was true, but when I see arena's absolutely full of people to watch an MMA event where pretty much unknown fighters are fighting and then see the cream of the crop in boxing having a difficult time even breaking even at the gate, much less filling an arena...well there is obviously bad news ahead! I don't think boxing will be ended, but unless there is some drastic changes made within the sport then it is going to slowly die, but due to MMA it will be at a little faster pace. Boxing can directly thank those in charge...the promoters....the commissions and exspecially the title orgs!
Boxing isnt doing well but it has NOTHING to do with UFC. Why do people have to keep thinking this is an situation where Group B is doing well, Group A is not, thus Group B is taking away from Group A . . . it is not. Boxing was already struggling a good deal in the late 1990s and that was exacerbated in the post Lewis era and when your marquee stars of the 90s started faltering/retiring. This is do to a MYRIAD of INTERNAL issues including: socio-demographic changes in the United States, greed and lack of risk by promoters, lack of boxing on regular TV, corruption etc.
Boxing was in a bad state 2 years ago. Now suddenly UFC gets some publicity and is doing better in those next 2 years and that's the reason boxing is in decline? Boxing from a financial standpoint is doing as well if not a little better than it was 2 years ago. This has nothing to do with UFC. They are seperate sports. The growth of UFC is from fans who wern't boxing fans in the first place. They aren't "leaving boxing" . . .they were never there to begin with.
And honestly, I can't see any true boxing fan ever stop watching the likes of Cotto-Malligiani, Castillo-Corrales, and Brewster-Lyakovich in exchange for UFC fights with their BS stoppages and 3 minutes of guys rolling around trying to get their opponent in a submission hold. Whoooo . . .intense!
UFC is riding higher now but it's not going to become a major sport, primarily b/c the product isn't that good.
Posted: 05 Jul 2007, 06:59
by Ezzard
I'm a boxing fan. UFC dosn't appeal to me. It doesn't have the history. It doesn't have the appeal and the athletes just don't compare. BUT look at its popularity? There are lessons to be learned from it. Boxing needs to look at how UFC is promoted and borrow the things that work.
If they have an inferior product but are packing out halls then they must be doing something right.
A lot of young lads I know see boxing as there dad's sport. They see these UFC guys fighting often and the top fights are made without question. There is no difficulty in knowing who the champions are and victories are conclusive. A lot of these younger guys were outraged by Mayweather's performance against DLH. Many of them remarked that if that was boxing's super fight and Floyd was our top fighter then they were happier with UFC. They didn't see the drama, they thought DLH made the fight and the only thing that could redeem it for them was an immediate rematch.
Boxing will always have us, the guys who come to sites like this. What it needs to do is bring back the casual fan. The kind of people who go to UFC.
Boxing's biggest problem is the diluting and splintering of the championships. As soon as one man is established he stripped, or a new body is drawn up and sold as a title.
Boxing also struggles in that it is such a demanding sport that many top fighters only fight 2-3 times a year. This is also promoted by the myth and endless search for the undefeated record. It makes the stars want to carefully pick every contest.
I'd like to see a sea change in the way boxing is run. I'd liek to see new formats used for matching fighters but I just can't see it happening.
Posted: 07 Jul 2007, 13:48
by texas tyrant
UFC very well could take over boxing. Mot the fighters fault or boxings fault. Its because of how corrupt it is. BTW, those saying UFC is no technique, no game plan couldnt be more wrong! I trained in both and there s alot of technique in ground fighting and all of them use boxing as their sandup or at least another form of boxing i.e. kickboxing, muay thai I am a huge boxing fan but also a huge UFC fan. The reason UFC is so popular is that it is exciting its rare to find a fight that bores you, the fighters know this and strive to make their fights entertaining. It happens alot when you watch a 36 minute boxing match that bores you to tears, but rarely in UFC and if it does its only 15 mins and on to the next fight.
Posted: 07 Jul 2007, 18:44
by ringsider
Wil the UFC, Ultimate Fighting Championships will take over Boxing?
No....not unless you idolize guys who dress like clowns and tell you they are all about fighting......like on the show "Tap Out". What a joke!!!
Posted: 08 Jul 2007, 08:35
by funso banjo baby
maybe
but the only really exciting bits are when they are standing up landing punches
wats wiv all this wrapping legs round each other ???? grow up
however as long as boring fighters like pretty boy floyd are peddled as the best boxers of all time...boxings popularity will continue to dip
Posted: 08 Jul 2007, 13:21
by KOJOE90
Not in my house.
Posted: 09 Jul 2007, 09:29
by ebeneezer
'Rocket'Rigby wrote:
That's all it is but with gloves on. No skill involved, no pyschology or fight plan.
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Molon Labe!
A similarly ignorant person with no clue what they are talking about could say boxing was nothing but two neanderthals punching each other in the head.
I know alot of people don't like mma but to say there is no skill or fight plan involved is too fornicating stupid for words.
Posted: 09 Jul 2007, 10:17
by 'Rocket'Rigby
ebeneezer wrote:'Rocket'Rigby wrote:
That's all it is but with gloves on. No skill involved, no pyschology or fight plan.
______
Molon Labe!
A similarly ignorant person with no clue what they are talking about could say boxing was nothing but two neanderthals punching each other in the head.
I know alot of people don't like mma but to say there is no skill or fight plan involved is too effing stupid for words.
Ok, I'm sorry there is a clear fight plan, lets stand toe to toe and sort this out. Oh no, wait a minute I would sooner cuddle on the floor until you can't take anymore. Every fight is the same. So ok, there is a clear fight plan but every fight is the same and has the same fight plan. As for pyschology lets just look as angry as we can and grunt, that'll work. It's pathetic and it shouldn't even be classed as a sport, if it is.
Posted: 09 Jul 2007, 10:18
by dempseyfire
texas tyrant wrote:UFC very well could take over boxing. Mot the fighters fault or boxings fault. Its because of how corrupt it is. BTW, those saying UFC is no technique, no game plan couldnt be more wrong! I trained in both and there s alot of technique in ground fighting and all of them use boxing as their sandup or at least another form of boxing i.e. kickboxing, muay thai I am a huge boxing fan but also a huge UFC fan. The reason UFC is so popular is that it is exciting its rare to find a fight that bores you, the fighters know this and strive to make their fights entertaining. It happens alot when you watch a 36 minute boxing match that bores you to tears, but rarely in UFC and if it does its only 15 mins and on to the next fight.
I never said there is no skill in MMA fighting or grappling . . there surely is.
But I very much disagree with your statement that it's rare to find a fight that bores you. I find most UFC fights VERY boring. Unless you are schooled in the nuances of grappling, and I'm not, you aren't going to enjoy two guys rolling on the ground trying to get each other in a specific hold for 5 min durations. And the stand-up can be fun at times but the form and punching technique is so below that of boxing I usually just get frustrated watching it.
Posted: 09 Jul 2007, 10:55
by texas tyrant
dempseyfire wrote:texas tyrant wrote:UFC very well could take over boxing. Mot the fighters fault or boxings fault. Its because of how corrupt it is. BTW, those saying UFC is no technique, no game plan couldnt be more wrong! I trained in both and there s alot of technique in ground fighting and all of them use boxing as their sandup or at least another form of boxing i.e. kickboxing, muay thai I am a huge boxing fan but also a huge UFC fan. The reason UFC is so popular is that it is exciting its rare to find a fight that bores you, the fighters know this and strive to make their fights entertaining. It happens alot when you watch a 36 minute boxing match that bores you to tears, but rarely in UFC and if it does its only 15 mins and on to the next fight.
I never said there is no skill in MMA fighting or grappling . . there surely is.
But I very much disagree with your statement that it's rare to find a fight that bores you. I find most UFC fights VERY boring. Unless you are schooled in the nuances of grappling, and I'm not, you aren't going to enjoy two guys rolling on the ground trying to get each other in a specific hold for 5 min durations. And the stand-up can be fun at times but the form and punching technique is so below that of boxing I usually just get frustrated watching it.
Usually when to much rolling around goes on they stand it up. I dislike the rolling around myself but enjoy the techniqu displayed by picking someone up and slaming them on their head
As far as punching being below boxing, this is true to an extent...If you watch a Silva fight like the one that was on this weekend you would have seen someone with better standup than most, but his disipline is muay thai. But i do see what you are saying..to each its own I guess
Posted: 09 Jul 2007, 12:10
by ebeneezer
'Cocket'Cuntby wrote:I have absolutley no idea what I'm talking about.
UFC vs. Boxing
Posted: 13 Jul 2007, 21:25
by bill.lockhart
Kids used to idolize the Heavyweight champion. He was the man. Until that happens again, & the alphabet boys are dong their best to make sure it doesn't, boxing is on a slippery slope. It isn't about the UFC though. Only boxing can kill boxing.
Re: UFC vs. Boxing
Posted: 14 Jul 2007, 09:20
by KOJOE90
bill.lockhart wrote:Kids used to idolize the Heavyweight champion. He was the man.
Now kids idolize reality TV 'stars'.
Posted: 18 Jul 2007, 22:00
by elmersalsa
Like I see boxing now, the game is so full of shit and baloney that I do not care anymore about the sport...For boxing now, I'd rather take a shit with a Heineken in my hands.
:P
Posted: 23 Jul 2007, 03:52
by Robinson
Hey guys
I am a pro MMA (UFC) fighter. I am also a huge boxing fan.
I don't really see that as a conflict of interest nor do I see why people from both camps have to jump up and down and say what is better.
Boxing has a huge history, so many legends, so much heritage that you can pick an era and just spend decades studying that little period.
The UFC is only 13 years old....where as MMA is around 90 years old and Pangration is well as old as the hills. MMA hasn't the stars or the legends of boxing and it also doesnt have the uniformity that is boxing.
What makes the UFC as a product more appealing at the moment is because of the Ulitmate Fighter TV show, its relationship with SpikeTV and because the average person can watch a UFC show and after a few of them know who the champs are in its pretty straight forward weight classes.
I have been trying to get so many people interested in boxing, and Australia is a big boxing nation traditionally. The biggest obstacle I am finding here is that the average, non hardcore fans (us), just don't know what the weight divisions are and don't know who the champ is.
I was asked who the HW champ was after Lewis, the other week and I had to explain the alphabet situation. Sure we have had alphabet champs since the 70s, but we also had defining personalities who stood above the others. Boxing at this time does not have this.
Those facts are being reflected in PPV buy rates. Even in spite of the fact that most people who follow MMA illegally dload it from bit torrents a day after a PPV.
In regards to the "most MMA guys get KOd after one punch", well most boxers can not check a leg kick or defend a double leg take down.
You can not compare the two, when you are wearing little gloves and when you are worrying about so many variables and not just strikes from the fists, it is easy to get caught.
MMA fighters are not "super stars" yet as they are not getting paid the money. Last UFC PPV buys was around $US85 mil, yet the combined fighters purses was around $US500, 000 now you compare that to the last Wright fight, or even Briggs' last outing. This is what makes many boxers the superior athlete.
The ball is in boxings court at the moment. I will always love the sport. But I dont think boxing should jump up and down at the success of the UFC, because it has for years been sitting idle and listing its problems.
Boxing needs to perk up and get back to its roots. Until then it will do second to the UFC in PPV rates. Maybe not in global popularity, but then again Freestyle and Greco Roman wrestling are practiced more globally than boxing yet they do not have a professional league...well they do in the UFC.
So please guys dont go condemning MMA, simply because its doing well.
Thanks again.
Kym Robinson,
Pro record (6-3)
Posted: 23 Jul 2007, 03:57
by Robinson
This thread is titled UFC and there has of course been united champs under that franchise. The UFC is leading the way, and ultimately is the face of MMA. So it is safe to be generic and say the UFC, as MMA really doesnt have a specific set of rules to truely define it as a sport.
BUT like I said above PPL know the UFC champs and contenders.
My sister, my mother, my friends, my work mates know who Randy Couture UFC HW champ) and Fedor Emelinko (pride HW champ) are.
Yet they have no idea who Klitschko, Peters or Valuev are.
Kym