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The most powerful punchers in the Heavyweight Division
Posted: 21 Nov 2002, 14:32
by Homicide Henry
Marciano, Shavers, Louis, Tyson, Frazier, Foreman, Galento, Bowe, Holyfield (powerful for being a shorter man) and Jefferies.
Who would you add to the list?
Posted: 21 Nov 2002, 20:26
by hhascup
You would have to add Jack Dempsey to that list.
Posted: 22 Nov 2002, 01:53
by Jaclem
Max Baer could clout and was very dangerous when the mood was on him. Terrific right hand hitter, though I doubt if he threw a dozen combinations in his whole career. This is one reason Carnera kept getting up.Max would bang him once and down Primo would go, before Maxie had a chance to hit him again. He clocked Schmelling with a pip after Max S. had been doing okay in the earlier rounds and Der Max (a good fighter) was on the ropes and asked the ref to stop it. late in his career in a brief comeback he hit the clocked the "comer" Pat Comisky apart in one round, and this was when Max was well past his prime and considered long washed up. If you can, dig ujp the tape on this one.
Posted: 22 Nov 2002, 12:21
by louisfan
Jaclem wrote:He clocked Schmelling with a pip after Max S. had been doing okay in the earlier rounds and Der Max (a good fighter) was on the ropes and asked the ref to stop it.
.....probably that wasn't schmelings day, but your're right with max baer, he was a very good puncher and belongs to the list.
but by mentioning schmeling this guy belongs to the top punchers too...knocking out fighters like johnny risco, young stribling, micky walker, harry thomas and of course joe louis. ....all fighters who could take much punishment. he had a powerfull rigt hand.
at least joe louis belongs to the list as one of the greatest punchers too.
Posted: 23 Nov 2002, 19:37
by seattledirk
I would also add Tommy 'the duke' Morrison.
When he stepped into the ring he whether knocked his opponents out, or got knocked out...
Posted: 24 Nov 2002, 13:58
by Tyson KTFO 3 Times
i would add sonny liston to that list but perhaps i am deluded?
Posted: 24 Nov 2002, 16:33
by 6 Pack
Bombardier Billy Wells
Posted: 24 Nov 2002, 18:31
by Jaclem
He weighed in around 180 and 185 but for the first few rounds Bob Satterfield was one of the most devastating puncherd ever.
Posted: 26 Nov 2002, 02:58
by Jaclem
Curtis "Hatchetman" Sheppard was another banger. A punch was about all he had, but it was enough to keep him in some good matches. Knocked out Joey Maxim, who had a great chin , in the first round, and THREE WEEKS LATER ..in the same arena in Cleveland, Maxim won a decision in their rematch. Three weeks.... things were different then, weren't they.
Back to Sheppard. Archie Moore beat him, but always talked about his punch. "He was one of the reasons I developed my turtle shell defense."
In one fight he broke his opponents collar bone with one punch.
Posted: 26 Nov 2002, 23:32
by UNDASPUTED
I'd add Johnson, Liston, Lewis to the list
Posted: 27 Nov 2002, 02:04
by Jaclem
Damn...and I still can't get this damn thing even to write in color!
Lewis against Botha showed how powerful Lewis can be. I think Liston has been added, and I don't see how anyone can disagree. Not so sure about Johnson.
Even if I disagreed with all of them, I'd still have fun looking at your post.
Posted: 27 Nov 2002, 21:41
by Tomato-Can
Not mentioned yet.. Cleveland Williams and David Tua.
Posted: 18 Dec 2002, 17:53
by enrique
I INTERVIEWED JOSE RIBALTA A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO AND WHEN I ASKED HIM ABOUT TYSON HIS ANSWER WAS THAT IRON MIKE WAS NOT AS HEAVY A HITTER AS EITHER BONECRUSHER OR COONEY. RIBALTA LOST TO TYSON -BUT WENT INTO THE TENTH- AND TO SMITH & ALSO SPARRED WITH COONEY. JOSE SAID THAT TYSON WAS SO DESTRUCTIVE BECAUSE HE THREW COMBINATIONS WHILE BONECRUSHER THREW A PUNCH AT A TIME AND OFTEN DID NOT FOLLOW UP. HE ALSO SAID THAT COONEY HAD REAL POWER IN HIS PUNCHES.
AND IF ONE IS TO CONSIDER HIM A HEAVYWEIGHT -SINCE HE HELD THE BELT- RATHER THAN A SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHT, BOB FITZIMMONS WAS A POUND FOR POUND GOOD BANGER..
Tommy!
Posted: 20 Dec 2002, 22:23
by Tommy Gunn
Tommy Morrison no doubt about it! best left hook in history
Posted: 20 Dec 2002, 23:17
by turtle20000
How about Ray Mercer, Ron Lyle, And Razor Ruddock. Ruddock had a wicked Left upper cut and left to the body. Remember his 2 fights with Tyson?
Posted: 22 Dec 2002, 03:06
by Jaclem
Tommy Gunn..i'm glad you liked Morrison's left hook so much but to say it was "the best in history" is just a slight exaggeration, especially when you consider that it wasn't even the best left hook of his era.
and..speaking of left hooks, while every body credits Joe Louis with being a great puncher, you don't hear much about his left hook, which was a destroyer. It wasn't the wide, obviously powerful looking hook that Frazier,Galento, Dempsey (and okay, Morrison) threw because it was so short and fast that you really have to see on slow motion film to fully appreciate. He would poke out that great jab, then with what seemed like a mere turn of the wrist make it a head rattler. It was one of the things that made Louis such a great fighter. move to his left to avoid the right and his left hook got you. move to his right to avoid the jab hook and the ambulance got you.
Posted: 22 Dec 2002, 07:44
by Tomato-Can
Tommy G., If you get a chance watch the film of the Louis-Walcott fight. He lets loose with a triple left hook that heavyweights today can only dream about because as Jaclem says Louis hook was short and he did'nt throw himself out of position like the fighters with the big, wide hooks.
Tyson in his prime stayed in pretty good position but Louis was even more technically sound. Morrison would throw the one big one and then be completely out of position.
hey
Posted: 28 Dec 2002, 22:57
by Tommy Gunn
take a look at morrison agaisnt ruddock, the left hook, tyson cound't do that in 2 fights that he had against ruddok.
look at the mercer fight, he was one of the best titanic chin I ever seen in my life when he was younger, look at all the combination tommy landed for 3 rounds, the left hook is just amazing.
I will buy it on ebay that fight that you just told me to watch. :) Louis-Walcott one.
Posted: 29 Dec 2002, 03:59
by Dickhead
There's a lot of real good heavyweight hitters:
Louis
Tyson
Dempsey
Marciano
Frazier
Shavers
Foreman
Johannessen
Jeff Merritt
Liston
Lewis
Morrison
Bowe
Ruddock
Baer
Galento
Cleveland Williams
Tua
Fitzsimmons
Jeffries
John L Sullivan
Satterfield
Buddy Baer
big hitters
Posted: 29 Dec 2002, 09:41
by donnellon
do you guys know your history?.......
nobody mentioned peter maher-possibly the hardest hitter pound for pound of the bigger fellows.
Posted: 31 Dec 2002, 15:34
by Tantum
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Re: The most powerful punchers in the Heavyweight Division
Posted: 29 Oct 2010, 07:30
by Ezzard
Would we add Langford to this list? He starched a lot og big men.
Re:
Posted: 29 Oct 2010, 07:37
by Counter-puncher
Jaclem wrote:Tommy Gunn..i'm glad you liked Morrison's left hook so much but to say it was "the best in history" is just a slight exaggeration, especially when you consider that it wasn't even the best left hook of his era.
and..speaking of left hooks, while every body credits Joe Louis with being a great puncher, you don't hear much about his left hook, which was a destroyer. It wasn't the wide, obviously powerful looking hook that Frazier,Galento, Dempsey (and okay, Morrison) threw because it was so short and fast that you really have to see on slow motion film to fully appreciate. He would poke out that great jab, then with what seemed like a mere turn of the wrist make it a head rattler. It was one of the things that made Louis such a great fighter. move to his left to avoid the right and his left hook got you. move to his right to avoid the jab hook and the ambulance got you.
yup, just like I could sit all night, watching Ray Robinson just moving his feet and the way he transfers weight, with Louis, his punching technique was so perfect, I could simply watch his weight being transferred through the feet and hips, all night long.
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Posted: 29 Oct 2010, 09:55
by IRLangmaid25
Tantum wrote:Wlad hits harder then the majority of that list, yet no one mentioned him, or his brother.
I was going to mention both of them actually Tantum mate. You could throw in Ike Ibkeabuchi as well he could throw his punches with considerable dig as well also Ken Norton could throw them to as he had 33 knockout wins in his 42 victories and also on a domestic and Commonwealth level Bruce Woodcock with 31 knockouts in 35 wins.
Re: big hitters
Posted: 29 Oct 2010, 15:55
by Darling