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Best book on boxing ever written.

Posted: 28 Jul 2007, 21:45
by BoxBuzz
Got some time on my hands at the beach coming up.....what book suggestions do you have?

Posted: 28 Jul 2007, 22:54
by BoxBuzz
so....is the following a fair assessment?

The Sweet Science
By Jack Newfield
If A. J. Liebling, who was born 100 years ago on October 18, had been a fighter, he
would have been a skilled craftsman, renowned for his improvising intelligence.
He would have been Bernard Hopkins or Archie Moore.
Despite his obese. un-athletic body, and small, delicate hands, Mr. Liebling boxed
himself in his younger days. And he cultivated friendships with the wisest trainers and
cornermen of his era.
Together these two things gave Mr. Liebling the insight that boxing was partly
geometry—essentially about angles and distances. Mr. Liebling appreciated the chess
match aspect of boxing, its timing, spacing, pacing, rhythm, adjustments and site-to-side
foot movement to acquire better angles to hit and not get hit.
If Mr. Liebling’s boxing writing had a secret weapon, it was the insider wisdom
he received from trainers like Charley Goldman, Whitey Bimstein, and Freddy Brown.
They were his graduate school professors, and he dedicated his book, “The Sweet
Science” to these three spit bucket Spinoza’s. He called them, “My explainers” in the
dedication.
All three were hard core, New York characters, who worked out of Stillman’s Gym on
Eighth Avenue and gratified Mr. Liebling’s passionate urbanism. Mr. Goldman
had sculpted Rocky Marciano into an invincible hitting machine.
I have recently re-read all of Mr. Liebling’s boxing pieces (and most of his other
work), and I discovered that I appreciate them much more now than when I first read
them during the 1960s. When I was younger I was unduly intoxicated by the Hemingway
and Jimmy Cannon school of drama, lyricism, and tough guy sentimentality.
Now I am better equipped to savor Mr. Liebling’s’ sense of history, his wry stylistic
grace, his leisurely pace and historical digressions. I also find that I can now better
appreciate Dostoyevsky, Cervantes, Al Smith, Johnny Cash, and Ted Williams.
Standards seem to matter more once you become immune to trendiness.
Mr. Liebling did not inflate a fight with false meaning, or cosmic significance. A fight
was usually just a fight to Mr. Liebling, not some universal metaphor for r
acial empowerment, or foreign policy, or the destiny of a particular ethnic group. He was
a diligent reporter and lucid thinker who described what he saw. He heard what was
being whispered on the lower frequencies, as Ralph Ellison put it.
Mr. Liebling did not tend to see a fight as a test of character and will, or in
psychological terms involving the unconscious. This was more the school
of writers influenced by trainer Cus D’Amato, who tutored Norman Mailer, Gay Talese,
Pete Hamill, and myself in his 14th Street gym. Abbot Joseph Mr. Liebling invested his
faith in technique and preparation – when it came to both writing and fighting.
Mr. Liebling was splendid on the seedy, marginal atmosphere of boxing – the gyms,
the training camps, the gamblers, the saloons, the sparring partners, and the con men like
Doc Kearns, who could have been Earl Long’s other brother. Boxing was – and always
will be – a convention of low life. And Mr. Liebling was the Gibbon of the grifters.
I have come to think of Mr. Liebling as one of the three best-ever American writers
about boxing, along with Norman Mailer and Budd Schulberg. And it does come as a
shock to recognize that America’s three best boxing writers are liberal Jewish
intellectuals.
There was also W. C. Heinz of the old New York Sun, who wrote the unforgettable
boxing novel, “The Professional. Jimmy Cannon was always a deadline poet with an
instinct for tragedy in the loser’s dressing room.And Murray Kempton’s occasional
boxing columns are extraordinary.
But Mr. Liebling’s essays from the 1950s pass the test of time. They are like the old
grainy footage of Sam Langford and Gene Tunney. There is a subtlety and serenity that
makes you resent all the modern self-promoting bombast.
Mr. Liebling’s versatility and productivity (18 books) also made him among the best
press critics, war correspondents, food writers, and memoirists of Manhattan, although in
this low-life realm, he might have felt he could embellish and pipe a few quotes in the
direction of emotional truth, which was the ethical norm for his era.
For a fight, Mr. Liebling would take the subway to Yankee Stadium, buy a mid-priced
ticket, and sit among the paying fans and banter with them as the action ebbed and
flowed. Then he would compose a piece that even fans that had already watched the
newsreels of the match, would learn something new from.
Many writers have mistakenly credited Mr. Liebling with inventing the phrase,
“the sweet science,” but it was actually coined by Mr. Liebling’s great hero, Pierce Egan
(1772-1849). Mr. Liebling gladly and often attributed the phrase, “the sweet science of
bruising,” to Egan, who he called, “The greatest writer about the ring who ever lived.
Hazlitt was dilettante, who wrote one fight story.”
Mr. Egan, who wrote about bare knuckle bouts in England from 1812 to 1828, shaped
Mr. Liebling’s style the way Ray Robinson shaped Muhammad Ali’s. Egan’s style was
reportorial, meandering, anecdotal, dandy-ish, intimate with the fighters, and finely tuned
to the late fluctuations in betting odds. Mr. Liebling described Egan as a self-educated
shakedown man, which was a compliment.
Mr. Liebling wrote, “Egan’s cockney characters, and his direct quotes of how they
talked, were a direct gift to Dickens, who, like every boy in England, read the author
Boxiana.”
It is an irony that the classic fistic essays collected in The Sweet Science were written
between 1951 and 1955, just at the start of boxing’s long slow, steady decline, caused
first by free home television, which was killing off the local clubs, where apprentices
could learn their craft. Mr. Liebling called television, “An electronic
gadget that peddles razor blades.”
Another irony is that these pieces were published in the New Yorker, which was not
exactly a working class tabloid, although boxing has always been an immigrant working
class sport – with an intellectual cult fringe.
But William Shawn let his star writers follow their passions, even if he didn’t
understand them. By most accounts Mr. Shawn loathed violence, but not as intensely as
he appreciated exquisite prose.
When Mr. Liebling died at age 59 in 1963, boxing vanished from the pages of the
New Yorker for 25 years.
Mr. Liebling’s most memorable pieces were accounts of the major bouts of his era: the
bleeding Ray Robinson’s comeback KO of Randy Turpin; the invincibly conditioned
Marciano’s knockouts Joe Louis, Joe Walcott, Ezzard Charles, and Archie Moore; and
Archie Moore’s off-the-floor KO of Harold Johnson. He knew what fighters and wghat
fights to write about.
The sweet science occupied such a large part of Mr. Liebling’s emotional life that he
worked it into most of his best non-boxing books and magazine pieces. There are
pugilistic digressions in “The Honest Rainmaker,” in “Chicago, the Second City,” and in
“The Telephone Booth Indian,”
In “Between Meals,” there is a dazzling digression describing a fight in Paris in 1927.
And in his masterpiece, “The Earl of Louisiana,” there is a flashback to a Pete Herman
fight he saw in Madison Square Garden in 1921 when he was still atr Dartmouth and
about to be expelled.
“The Earl of Louisiana” opens with the memorable sentences, “Southern political
personalities, like sweet corn, travel badly.They lose flavor with every hundred yards
from the patch.”
If there is one weakness in Mr. Liebling’s boxing canon it is that the mob does mob
does not exist – and gangsters ran boxing in the 1950s. He let Jimmy Cannon in the Post,
Dan Parker in the Daily Mirror, and novelist and screenplay writer Budd Schulberg
expose the gangsters who fixed the fights and cheated the fighters. Mr. Liebling liked low
life, but not the really sinister criminal dark side.
In contrast, Mr. Liebling’s populist press criticism had more of an irreverent
, crusading edge; he was much more skeptical of newspaper publishers than of boxing
promoters, He tracked the influence of money on newspaper content better than he
tracked the influence of money on which managers got their fighters on TV,
or received preferential treatment in getting championship opportunities.
(Mr. Liebling’s most quoted line comes from his “Wayward Press” column that
freedom of the press only belongs to the man who owns a press.)
After immersing myself in Mr. Liebling’s writing, I see that he and his New Yorker
colleague, Joe Mitchell, invented what others branded, “the new journalism,” and
credited to Tom Wolfe and Hunter Thompson.
If there was anything new after the 1940s it was the innovative elaborations of
Norman Mailer, Jimmy Breslin, and Gay Talese.
But the real leap forward into long form, personal, literary narrative writing
was started by Liebling and Mitchell. They opened a new house for the rest of us.
A wise man once told me that the definition of craft is the ability to make something
hard look easy.
This is what A.J. Liebling did. He made writing a sweet science.

Posted: 29 Jul 2007, 00:16
by Collins2000
The Sweet Science or anything else by Liebling

That one by Peter Heller where he lets many all time greats tell their stories - In This Corner might be the title

Anything by that bloke Snelling



Ones I wouldn't even wipe my arse on:
Anything by Gutteridge

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Posted: 29 Jul 2007, 03:36
by barry
You couldn't go wrong with any of the books listed below:


--John L. Sullivan and His America: by Michael T. Isenberg

--Beyond the Ring: The Role of Boxing in American Society: by Jeffrey Sammons

--Boxing Babylon: Behind the Shadowy World of the Prize Ring: by Nigel Collins

--Boxing Day: The Fight That Changed the World: by Jeff Wells

--Boxing: Medical Aspects: by Fried Unterharnscheidt

--Strange Encounters: A Complete History of Bareknuckle Boxing: by James Brady

--The Encyclopedia of Boxing: by Maurice Golesworthy

--The Manly Art: Bare-Knuckle Prize Fighting in America: by Elliott Gorn

--History & Bibliography of Boxing Books: by R.A. Hartley

--Fights For the Championship: The Men and Their Times: Volume I and II: by Fred Henning

--Life’s A Knockout: by Charlie Rose

--The Magnificent Rube: The Life and Gaudy Times of Tex Rickard: by Charles Samuels

--Peter Wilson: The Man They Couldn’t Gag: by Peter Wilson

--Complete Guide to Boxing Collectables: by Mark Allen Baker

--The Jewish Boxer’s Hall of Fame: by Ken Blady

Posted: 29 Jul 2007, 05:46
by jimglen
Hey Barry is that THE Charlie Rose,

does he talk about his 'own' fight career... how come we never here much about that, Rose was said to be a top FW? Who does he say are the top, Americans, Brits, Europeans, Aussies and Mexican's & S American's?

It must a rare find I've never heard anyone ever mention it!

Jim.

Posted: 29 Jul 2007, 06:39
by Flump
I can recommend Billy Walker:When The Gloves Came Off, very entertaining.

Posted: 29 Jul 2007, 07:48
by gb
Two books by Don McRae
1) The dark trade - lost in boxing
2) Can't remember the title, but it's a biography of Joe Louis and Jesse Owens

Posted: 31 Jul 2007, 09:35
by tad
The Big If - The Life and Death of Johnny Owen

Favourite Boxing Book

Posted: 31 Jul 2007, 11:31
by bill.lockhart
My favourite is Million dollar Gate, 1963
It details the life & legend of Jack "Doc" Kearns.
A great read.

Posted: 31 Jul 2007, 12:57
by silkov
Theres so many but three which I have got hold of recently that I'd reccommend are....
'Thinking Big' The james Quick Tillis story
'Son of philedelphia' Gypsy Joe Harris story
'occupation prizefighter' on Freddie Welsh
.......all are excellent reads imo... the Welsh book is the more meaty of the three... :box: :box: :box:

Posted: 31 Jul 2007, 17:24
by BoxBuzz
Thanks to all for these great suggestions.....

Posted: 31 Jul 2007, 17:38
by markl
The Sweet Science is awesome.

Hugh McIlvanney's- On Boxing is like another generations Liebling...another excellent book

I enjoyed the Ali/Cosell dual biography from David Kindred- wouldn't call it the GOAT or anything but I grew up watching that transpire at it's later stages.

Black Lights by Thomas Hauser.

Black Lights and On boxing are fantastic. The other one would be if you were a fan of Ali or the greatest boxing announcer in history.

Posted: 31 Jul 2007, 20:01
by sockdolager
Decagon wrote:The Sweet Science
I second this.
In This Corner is very good too.

Posted: 01 Aug 2007, 05:28
by Ezzard
How about a bit of fiction?

Harry Crews: The Knockout Artist

A bit of dark southern humour from one of my favourite living novelists.

Posted: 01 Aug 2007, 17:33
by harrygreb
boxbuzz your post with newfields appraisal of the sweet science and joe's other works made very nice reading. thanks.

liebling was an extraordinary writer. his prose moves so smoothly and easily. the best prose, i dont have to tell any of you, looks so easy to write...but.
joe liebling - an absolute master and "the sweet science" is not just the best boxing book i have read it is one of the best books period that you can read.

i also enjoyed books by gilbert odd, shulberg, mailer and it will be worth you tracking down "give him to the angels, the story of harry greb"
by james r fair. raw but excellent.

Re: Best book on boxing ever written.

Posted: 02 Aug 2007, 09:40
by KO Artist
BoxBuzz wrote:Got some time on my hands at the beach coming up.....what book suggestions do you have?
Boxing Confidential by Jim Brady.

Reveals what Arum and Co are really like.

Posted: 02 Aug 2007, 10:12
by harrygreb
by the way boxbuzz. have to pick up the newfield review on just one mistake; liebling was not jewish. a reading of his book "back where i came from" will establish this.

Posted: 02 Aug 2007, 11:10
by Rocky Balboa
Punch Lines, by Phil Berger, is right up there with the best of them.

Boxing Confidential is meant to be a very insightful read. Hope to get on to that one soon.

Posted: 03 Aug 2007, 12:37
by harrygreb
"well worth reading" ???? thats hardly a brilliant sign off line. c'mon terry give us the real one. the books probably a bit dear!

Posted: 04 Aug 2007, 07:52
by harrygreb
well, thats an ambiguous post if ever there was one

Posted: 04 Aug 2007, 13:30
by harrygreb
hey, that jogged a deep buried memory! i think i had the cooper boxing manual. did it have photographic diagrams of how to deliver different punches? i also had a football one by bobby moore that had photo diagrams of different tackles, parts of the foot and how to pass the ball using these; i even remember taking that book out into the street, i must have been about 10, and demonstrating things like "block tackles" and "sidefoot passing" and controlling with chest or thigh, roping my mates in to prove their efficacy. i was always a bit analytical about things like that as a boy.

Posted: 04 Aug 2007, 14:15
by granberry
Anything by any of the following clueless shills who never had a fight with their own sister:

Drunken Bert Sugar

Nigel Collins

Steve Farhood

Herbert Goldman

Thomas Hauser

Norman Mailer

Bud Schulberg

Any shill connected with Sports Illustrated

Any writer who writes a "boxing" book as front for selling the politically correct "blacks are victims" agenda

Any writer who saw an Ali fight once

Especially any black writer who saw an Ali fight once with his own father

Anybody connected with the PBS expert on all topics with the bangs (Ken Burns)

Posted: 05 Aug 2007, 08:17
by BoxBuzz
granberry has fun....he's a regular fungi

Posted: 02 Apr 2008, 02:41
by granberry
Leibling was a very prejudiced writer.

He sees everything from the viewpoint of one of the two fighters.

According to Leibling, when Harold Johnson knocked Archie Moore down, it was an accident.
When Moore knocked Johnson down in the same fight, it was because Moore intended to.

The same prejudice shows in his write up of the Charles-Marciano bout.
There Leibling takes the viewpoint of Marciano. When Charles did well, that is to be denigrated. When Marciano came on, that is not denigrated.

Seeing the same fights Leibling describes exposes his side taking.

He was a precursor of the modern media rah rah promotion of certain designated fighters.

Posted: 02 Apr 2008, 08:36
by harrygreb
reading your post all i can say is leibling as a writer was a grade or two up from your noble self.
keep posting though, we all need a good laugh at least once a day.
i love bud schulberg and hauser and mailer and gilbert odd.