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Unbelievable, Foreman batters 5 men in one night.

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The notorious "Toronto Five" spectacle....

Foreman, still sore from losing to Ali, gets inspired by the late singer Marvin Gaye when he told George "You're still the baddest man on the planet, you should fight five top contenders, or were contenders, all in the same night."

Foreman knocks out Boone Kirkman, Alonzo Johnson, Jerry Judge, Dino Dennis, and Charlie Polite in a combined 12 rounds....was a very, very impressive stunt, with Foreman saying afterwards "Ali didn't beat no George Foreman over in Zaire, he beat some banana picker!"

Unfortunately, the whole scenario didn't change the public's minds or most boxing writers minds, of what happened over in Africa, and Foreman would eventually lose to Jimmy Young in 1977, and would put himself into a self-imposed exile and wouldn't come back for another 10 years.

Still, indeed, it is a grand thing to watch; something that wasn't ever done since the time Bob Fitzsimmons fought eight times [seven men, fought one of them twice] in a single night, some hundred years before.

nyckid wrote:Unbelievable, Foreman batters 5 men in one night.

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Nobody today could do that.

IMO,
TBE

The Boxing Enthusiast wrote:

nyckid wrote:Unbelievable, Foreman batters 5 men in one night.

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Nobody today could do that.

IMO,
TBE

With ease.

This all reminds me of the movie Diggstown and the whole con that set it off was "Nobody can whip ten men, nobody!"

It's possible to happen, whether it's 5, 10 or however many men. It all just comes down to conditioning and who exactly was that person going to face?

I mean, look at it seriously, could anyone envision Judge, Polite, Dennis, Johnson or Kirkman standing a chance one on one with Foreman to begin with? Throw in the five of them, one after the other, it raises the stakes, sure, but odds are none of them could have beaten Foreman.

I'd go as far as to say, Foreman could have fought Roman, Norton, Frazier, LeDoux and Kirkman all in one night, and he still would have won it. Why? He fought Frazier twice and stopped him in a combined 7 rounds, fought Norton once and stopped him in two, fought Roma and stopped him in once and he fought Kirkman twice and stopped him in like 5-6 rounds total and he stopped LeDoux in three. That adds up to 18 rounds or so.

That's only 6 more rounds than the Toronto Five stunt, am sure Foreman could have done it if you had Frazier and Norton go first and second, Ledoux next, then Kirkman and then Roman.

Tantum wrote:

The Boxing Enthusiast wrote:

nyckid wrote:Unbelievable, Foreman batters 5 men in one night.

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Nobody today could do that.

IMO,
TBE

With ease.

I think there are several fighters who could probably do that, especially considering the guys Foreman fought were crap. You could get just about any top pro in any weight class today and get a bunch of chumps like he did and it'd be fine. Even back then nobody really bought that crap, Foreman kicking around 5 tomato cans was considered a circus act even back in those days.

Tantum wrote:

The Boxing Enthusiast wrote:

nyckid wrote:Unbelievable, Foreman batters 5 men in one night.

http://www.fightbeat.com/forums/showthr ... post468699

Nobody today could do that.

IMO,
TBE

With ease.

And done the loaves and fishes bit after too, I bet....

thanks for that nyckid
I really enjoyed watching, especially added bonus of seeing Ali doing his tongue in cheek ringside taunts!

Henry,I would also say that version of George Foreman(maybe slightly fitter) would do the same to all four current HW champions.

Timmbo wrote:thanks for that nyckid
I really enjoyed watching, especially added bonus of seeing Ali doing his tongue in cheek ringside taunts!

Henry,I would also say that version of George Foreman(maybe slightly fitter) would do the same to all four current HW champions.

It was a carnival, but it was a good deal of fun. Glad you guys enjoyed it.

C

HomicideHenry wrote:This all reminds me of the movie Diggstown and the whole con that set it off was "Nobody can whip ten men, nobody!"

It's possible to happen, whether it's 5, 10 or however many men. It all just comes down to conditioning and who exactly was that person going to face?

I mean, look at it seriously, could anyone envision Judge, Polite, Dennis, Johnson or Kirkman standing a chance one on one with Foreman to begin with? Throw in the five of them, one after the other, it raises the stakes, sure, but odds are none of them could have beaten Foreman.

I'd go as far as to say, Foreman could have fought Roman, Norton, Frazier, LeDoux and Kirkman all in one night, and he still would have won it. Why? He fought Frazier twice and stopped him in a combined 7 rounds, fought Norton once and stopped him in two, fought Roma and stopped him in once and he fought Kirkman twice and stopped him in like 5-6 rounds total and he stopped LeDoux in three. That adds up to 18 rounds or so.

That's only 6 more rounds than the Toronto Five stunt, am sure Foreman could have done it if you had Frazier and Norton go first and second, Ledoux next, then Kirkman and then Roman.

The energy he had to extend stopping Norton, Frazier, and LeDoux was a good deal more than what he was required to shell out for Daniels, Polite, Johnson etc.

Awesome hahaha

True, Dempsey, very true. But I think he could have still done it.

And I agree Timmbo

Lamar Clark beat 6 tomato cans the same night, took him less than 10 minutes of actual fighting.
Jack Dempsey fought multiple opponents on same day over 50 times:
2 opponents - 19 times
3 - 22 times
4 - 10 times
5 - 3 times
6 - 2 times

Its true you had to have been a real boxing fan to recgonize any or all of the names of the fighters George Foreman fought that afternoon.
But they werent bums,all were well known journymen
who were fought a lot of famous heavyweights of that era .
George Foreman fought more competion that single afternoon
then some contenders.especially in the 1980's(and I aint naming names)
fought asn entire year before they became heavyweight champion.

according to Tracy Callis cyberboxing zone records.
Sonny Liston boxed three opponents up in Anchorage Alaska on the same day.
April.2.1966.
Brady Jackson ex 2
George Gaston ex. 2
Fred Waldron ex. 2.

Its not clear to me if each of the exhibitions were scheduled for just two rounds each or if Liston just got an itchin to knock each one out in the second round of each bout!

Brutu wrote:Its true you had to have been a real boxing fan to recgonize any or all of the names of the fighters George Foreman fought that afternoon.
But they werent bums,all were well known journymen
who were fought a lot of famous heavyweights of that era .
George Foreman fought more competion that single afternoon
then some contenders.especially in the 1980's(and I aint naming names)
fought asn entire year before they became heavyweight champion.

LOL

Every one of them was in my title bout board game I got when I was 9. You would see there names pop up in The Ring as well.

Basically, a public session of sparring. It is typical for fighters to do 3 rounds a piece with 4 fresh guys while sparring 12 rounds.

Margarito did it for Pwill. Knocking them all out is a different story.

It should be noted that the sort of exhibitions that Foreman fought that afternoon were actually much more like "real fights" than exhibition the sort of exhibition matches that take place these days. As was a similar exhibition match that he had with journeyman opponent Jodie Ballard a little while later, in which he brutally KO'd him.

No headgear, no big ol' 16 oz training gloves, no clowning around.

They were nearly all men Foreman had already beaten or would beat soon. Alonzo Johnson had retired as a competition fighter years before and was Muhammed Ali's sparring partner. Foreman had KOed Kirkman in two rounds in his 14th fight.

Francois Botha fought three guys on the same day on the same bill.

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Terry Daniels already had fought Joe Frazier for the Heavyweight Championship.

Cool it a stunt, or a spectacle.

Foreman bested 5 good HWs, those guys were
tough pros and some were even ranked men.

Thats impressive regardless of how the night was
perceived.

I think how Foreman imagined that 'exhibition' would
go and how the public, Ali and boxing people treated
it were two different things.

Kym