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Lightweights: Aaron Pryor vs Beau Jack
Posted: 30 Oct 2007, 21:21
by elmersalsa
This is a fantastic match. A fight fan's dream...Two action packed fighters going at it. Who wins this one?
Posted: 31 Oct 2007, 12:47
by silkov
Decagon wrote:Definitely Pryor, because he'd only sign to face Jack when Jack was past it.
Why do you say that??.... Pryor chased Mancini, Comacho, and Leonard for fights when all were in their 'primes' and it was they that ducked him, not the other way round!.... so I dont see where you get this skewed vision of Pryor.... he was afraid of noone.... perhaps youre getting him mixed up with Leonard??....
Posted: 31 Oct 2007, 20:11
by silkov
Decagon wrote:silkov wrote:Decagon wrote:Definitely Pryor, because he'd only sign to face Jack when Jack was past it.
Why do you say that??.... Pryor chased Mancini, Comacho, and Leonard for fights when all were in their 'primes' and it was they that ducked him, not the other way round!.... so I dont see where you get this skewed vision of Pryor.... he was afraid of noone.... perhaps youre getting him mixed up with Leonard??....
Bullshit. Leonard offered Pryor a fight after Pryor's come-from-behind win over Dujuan Johnson. The fight never happened because Leonard retired. You simply don't have your facts straight. Duran was ready to fight Pryor at 147, but Pryor was shit scared.
You're dreaming, that never happened!... Duran never fought at 147 again after losing to Leonard and when did Leonard offer to fight Pryor??...... only when he knew he was retiring!!..... Pryor chased these guys for years.... I have all the articles of the time and youre talking crap as usual... Pryor was a natural 135 pounder but had to move up to 140 for a title shot because he couldnt get a shot at 135..... Mancini would never fight him neither would Comatcho..... stop dreaming stuff up mate because I was around at the time and know what went down....
Posted: 31 Oct 2007, 22:25
by Goodnight, Irene
Pryor was a great fighter I always felt, but I think Jack wins this one. That high punch output makes any fighter hard to beat, let alone a class champion like Jack, but Pryor was a great fighter I don't have a very hard time seeing him holding his own. It's competitive, but I like Jack in the end.
Personally, I don't think Pryor was a fighter short on self-confidence. I don't think he really ducked any opponent.
Posted: 31 Oct 2007, 22:35
by dempseyfire
silkov wrote:Decagon wrote:silkov wrote:
Why do you say that??.... Pryor chased Mancini, Comacho, and Leonard for fights when all were in their 'primes' and it was they that ducked him, not the other way round!.... so I dont see where you get this skewed vision of Pryor.... he was afraid of noone.... perhaps youre getting him mixed up with Leonard??....
Bullshit. Leonard offered Pryor a fight after Pryor's come-from-behind win over Dujuan Johnson. The fight never happened because Leonard retired. You simply don't have your facts straight. Duran was ready to fight Pryor at 147, but Pryor was shit scared.
You're dreaming, that never happened!... Duran never fought at 147 again after losing to Leonard and when did Leonard offer to fight Pryor??...... only when he knew he was retiring!!..... Pryor chased these guys for years.... I have all the articles of the time and youre talking crap as usual... Pryor was a natural 135 pounder but had to move up to 140 for a title shot because he couldnt get a shot at 135..... Mancini would never fight him neither would Comatcho..... stop dreaming stuff up mate because I was around at the time and know what went down....
Leonard ducked Pryor . . . all of the evidence points to this. Pryor was HUNGRY for a big money fight, while Leonard had already had several super-fights. He would've fought Larry Holmes if it'd meant a big payday.
Posted: 01 Nov 2007, 12:41
by silkov
Decagon wrote:silkov wrote:When did Leonard offer to fight Pryor?
Watch the Dujuan Johnson fight again, and this time, listen to Leonard's commentary.
Thats just words, when it came to signing Leonard wouldnt sign for the fight... this is common knowledge of those who were around at the time. Pryor would have fought Leonard for nothing, he was an avoided fighter rather than one who avoided others. Its Leonard who wouldnt fight Hagler till he was past it and who made Hearns wait almost a decade for a rematch and made Donny Lalonde come in at 168 even though they were supposed to be fighting for he 175 title.....
Posted: 01 Nov 2007, 17:49
by harrygreb
perhaps its decagon who needs eye surgery. he certainly seems blind to the facts and to pryors excellence in the early 1980's.
beau jack wins a close one though.
Posted: 01 Nov 2007, 21:04
by Collins2000
Leonard vs Pryor at 147 would be an interesting fight while it lasted but I think there's a lot of truth in the old boxing adage that a good big un (almost) always beats a good little un (when all else is equal).
No way Leonard would have made it more interesting by agreeing to a catchweight fight. That wasn't Ray's way...... unless it was in his favour, of course. He knew that boxing adage too.
Both great fighters who I enjoyed watching.
Posted: 02 Nov 2007, 02:13
by marchegiano007
silkov wrote:Decagon wrote:silkov wrote:
Why do you say that??.... Pryor chased Mancini, Comacho, and Leonard for fights when all were in their 'primes' and it was they that ducked him, not the other way round!.... so I dont see where you get this skewed vision of Pryor.... he was afraid of noone.... perhaps youre getting him mixed up with Leonard??....
Bullshit. Leonard offered Pryor a fight after Pryor's come-from-behind win over Dujuan Johnson. The fight never happened because Leonard retired. You simply don't have your facts straight. Duran was ready to fight Pryor at 147, but Pryor was shit scared.
Well pryor never wanted to fight at welterweight. he fought boby joe young and was ko of course he was past his prime but after the remath with arguello he could had move to welterweight and face donald curry my guess he could had been competitive but nobody will know if he could had take punches from a good welterweight like donald curry in his prime. pryor was looking for a big money fight he got arguello twice who was coming from featherweight, junior llightweight and lightweight. but pryor neveer faced a good solid welterweight my guess is sugar ray leonard and thomas hearns would had ko him. even roberto duran.
You're dreaming, that never happened!... Duran never fought at 147 again after losing to Leonard and when did Leonard offer to fight Pryor??...... only when he knew he was retiring!!..... Pryor chased these guys for years.... I have all the articles of the time and youre talking crap as usual... Pryor was a natural 135 pounder but had to move up to 140 for a title shot because he couldnt get a shot at 135..... Mancini would never fight him neither would Comatcho..... stop dreaming stuff up mate because I was around at the time and know what went down....
Posted: 02 Nov 2007, 14:08
by silkov
Posted: 02 Nov 2007, 14:32
by Goodnight, Irene
Don't forget to touch gloves once in a while, boys.
Posted: 02 Nov 2007, 15:16
by BoxBuzz
If you think Aaron wins this little theoretical....then you don't know Jack.
Nevertheless the "not signing" quip is valid here. Pryor had....well....let's say a very "chaparoned" career. And it looks pretty good when you view it from the record that pops up on your computer when you use the search feature.
And then there is the reality...a bit of luck, a bit of talent, being at the right place, right time, skill (in terms of management) , a blue bottle here and there. It's eclectic to say the least.
Posted: 02 Nov 2007, 16:41
by Borinken25
BoxBuzz wrote:If you think Aaron wins this little theoretical....then you don't know Jack.
Nevertheless the "not signing" quip is valid here. Pryor had....well....let's say a very "chaparoned" career. And it looks pretty good when you view it from the record that pops up on your computer when you use the search feature.
And then there is the reality...a bit of luck, a bit of talent, being at the right place, right time, skill (in terms of management) , a blue bottle here and there. It's eclectic to say the least.
Do you think he would have needed the blue bottle vs Jack? And I'm not talking about Jack Daniels.
Posted: 03 Nov 2007, 01:27
by Jaclem
..i have retired from informing the rabble about the truth of one fighter mentioned here, so i shall just thank boxbuzz and decagon for continuing. they are NOT expression opinions.....they are stating facts.
Posted: 03 Nov 2007, 07:20
by BoxBuzz
Jaclem wrote:..i have retired from informing the rabble about the truth of one fighter mentioned here, so i shall just thank boxbuzz and decagon for continuing. they are NOT expression opinions.....they are stating facts.
jaclem I encourage you not to retire on any subject....when someone reaches your advanced age it is incumbant upon them to give back to the tribe. It's the only way new generations will be able to take the knowledge of the ages and forge forward. If tribe elders fail to pass on what they have learned, new generations will stumble about and falter in the darkness of ignorance.
In addition you then lend crediblity and credence to the young, strong nimble minds who represent the future of bold and inspiring leadership such as myself.
Posted: 03 Nov 2007, 08:33
by Broncano
Buzz, that's when the search feature comes in handy:
Jaclem wrote:ah...the possibilty of a Duran/Pryor match was actually discussed, and each time it was Pryor practically went home and hid under his bed.
A Howard Davis/Pryor match would have been a big draw in Cincinnati, as Davis beat Pryor for the Olympic spot, and Pryor said "No thank you.' For a while his promoter had fits because Pryor wouldn't fight anyone who was TALLER than he was.
Cervantes was considered ripe for the picking....35 and through a lot of wars and perfect for a young, strong aggessive fighter like Pryor, and he even had a title in a division that didn't have much going on at that time.
Jaclem wrote:i think too many forget, or perhaps have never seen, Pryor's pattern in his pre-Arguello fights. It was usually the same. He'd come storming out and attack furiously for the first couple of rounds. If he didn't get his guy out of there, he'd settle into a different pace.... still fast but moved around and boxed more, coming in and going out. His sustained attack against Arguello , round after round until the finish was a surprise to those who had followed him. We wondered what would happen when he slowed down, but, thanks to the nectar of the Gods of Mt. Olympus, he never did.
If he fought Duran ( after being told by his handlers, to keep him from fainting) that he was fighting someone else , and with a bottle containing only water being poured to him, and if he survived his own early onslaught and slowed down, Duran would take him apart in sections.
I'll say it again and then vanish from this post:
Pryor could still make the lightweight limit when Duran was Champion, and peeing in his pants at the weigh in would shed even a few more pounds. He went for the junior welter title for the reasons that have already been covered here. He did not want to and would not have gotten into the ring with Roberto Duran.
and my favorite, speaking about Duran vs Pryor again:
Jaclem wrote:duran.
purely hypothetical. the best fight would have been between pryor and the ten men it would take to get him into the ring.
Posted: 03 Nov 2007, 16:16
by harrygreb
you leave aaron pryor alone!! he emailed me last year and i'm proud to have had a communique with one of the all time pugilistic warriors
