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It's time for another Hall of Fame Election. The deadline for submitting a ballot is Noon CDT on November 15, 2007. I will total the ballots shortly after that.

A brief summary of the rules:
-A voter can vote up to 25 names. (If you vote for more than 25, your entire ballot doesn't count.)
-A fighter's last fight has to be before November 15, 1997 to be eligible.
-You can change your vote. Your last vote before the deadline will be the one counted.
-Candidates who are named on atleast 75% of the ballots are elected.
Go to the Boxrec Hall of Fame Sticky (p.2) for more complete rules.

To vote, just list your selections on this thread. (Don't put them on the Hall of Fame Sticky.)

It would be appreciated if you list your selections in alphabetical order.

It would be great if some regular posters who didn't post last time would vote this time and some new posters will vote this time. It's a lot of fun.

So far there had a been a good variety of fighters from different era's, weight class, styles, etc. Hopefully that will continue.

Fighters already elected:Muhammad Ali,Lou Ambers,Henry Armstrong,Abe Attell,Wilfred Benitez,Tony Canzoneri,Ezzard Charles,Billy Conn,Jack Dempsey,Bob Fitzsimmons,Bob Foster,Joe Frazier,Joe Gans,Wilfredo Gomez,Harry Greb,Emile Griffith,Marvin Hagler,James Jeffries,Jack Johnson,Eder Jofre,Stanley Ketchel,Sam Langford,Benny Leonard,Ray Leonard,Sonny Liston,Joe Louis,Rocky Marciano,Terry McGovern,Carlos Monzon,Archie Moore,Jose Napoles,Wille Pep,Ray Robinson,Barney Ross,Sandy Saddler,Salvador Sanchez,Gene Tunney,Mickey Walker,Jimmy Wilde, and Ike Williams.


To get things started, here is my ballot:
Nino Benvenuti
Panama Al Brown
Charley Burley
Marcel Cerdan
Kid Chocolate
George Dixon
Tiger Flowers
Gene Fullmer
Kid Gavilan
Fighting Harada
Harold Johnson
Johnny Kilbane
Tommy Loughran
Jake LaMotta
Jimmy McClarnin
Packy McFarland
Rueben Olivares
Carlos Ortiz
Aaron Pryor
Vincente Saldivar
Michael Spinks
John L. Sullivan
Dick Tiger
Barbadoes Joe Walcott
Carlos Zarate

JIMMY BARRY
NINO BENVENUTI
PANAMA AL BROWN
MARCEL CERDAN
ANTONIO CERVANTES
KID CHOCOLATE
YOUNG CORBETT III
LES DARCY
JACK DILLON
JIM DRISCOLL
KHAOSAI GALAXY
MIKE GIBBONS
TOMMY GIBBONS
JOHN HENRY LEWIS
KID McCOY
PACKEY McFARLAND
JIMMY McLARNIN
FREDDIE MILLER
PHILADELPHIA JACK O'BRIEN
CARLOS ORTIZ
PASCUAL PEREZ
TOMMY RYAN
YOUNG STRIBLING
PANCHO VILLA
CARLOS ZARATE

Aaron Pryor
Antonio Cervantes
Carlos Ortiz
Carlos Zarate
Carmen Basilio
Charley Burley
Cocoa Kid
Dick Tiger
Eusebio Pedroza
Fighting Harada
George Dixon
Holman Williams
Jake LaMotta
Kid Chocolate
Kid Gavilan
Les Darcy
Luis Rodriguez
Marcel Cerdan
Nicolino Locche
Nono Benvenuti
Packy McFarland
Panama Al Brown
Ruben Olivares
Terry McGovern out
Tiger Flowers
Dullio Loi new pick

Jimmy Barry
Carmen Basilio
Charlry Burley
Miguel Canto
Marcel Cerdan
Les Darcy
Jack Dillon
Gene Fullmer
Tiger Flowers
Kid Gavilan
Billy Graham
Lew Jenkins
HaroldJohnson
Johnny Kilbane
Fidel Labarba
Tommy Loughran
Rinty Monaghan
Jimmy McClarnin
Packey Mcfarland
Ruben Olivares
Vincente Saldivar
John L Sullivan
Dick Tiger
Pancho Villa
Carlos Zarate

I vote this three old time fighters, the greatest LH of South America. In other I will complete a list



Jose Carattoli, Argentina http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hu ... &cat=boxer

Mauro Mina, Peru http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hu ... &cat=boxer

Angel Rodriguez, Uruguay http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hu ... &cat=boxer





This will be an enormous satisfaction for the South American boxing fans to have this pioneers in the Hall of Fame; there are few South American fighters in the HOF only due the boxing history of this part is not well known

Hey guys, to make it easier I included the link to the last ballot so you can look at your previous votes.

http://www.boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.p ... ame+ballot

I'll be back with my list in a bit Alp.

Carmen Basillio
Charley Burley
Kid Chocolate
Marcel Cerdan
Jim Corbett
Les Darcy
Gene Fullmer
Khaosai Galaxy
Kid Gavilan
Peter Jackson
Jake LaMotta
Nicolino Locche
Tommy Loughran
Packy McFarland
Philadelphia Jack O'Brien
Ruben Oliveras
Carlos Ortiz
Floyd Patterson
Aaron Pryor
Michael Spinks
John L. Sullivan
Dick Tiger
Barbados Joe Walcott
Carlos Zarate
Fritze Zivic

Ï always vote for the greatest British fighter of all time, the immortal Bert Gilroy but he never seems to make the cut.

I urge you all to vote for this overlooked legend of yesteryear and allow him to take his rightful place with the other legends.

God bless you all.

Marginalizing Gilroy is one thing... it's amazing how you can allow facts & circumstances for hundreds of fighters spoken of here on these boards Collins but you always take a dig at Gilroy - you are one of those people who 'can't' bring themselve to admit what was done to him, must be the English thing eh Collins - 'dis' Bert before admitting that "because of English National pride" he was CHEATED out of title & legacy, He must have been some fighter to have been side-stepped by how many was it (?) 5 of Britain's greatest ever, and also reported by some of Britain's greatest as being the next world champion (Wilde, Clarke, Hurst, Henderson and the 'immortal' American Charley Rose as well as others yet) BUT to start 'mocking' the Almighty; well now your heading into a dangerous level of a Foolish Low!

jimglen wrote:Marginalizing Gilroy is one thing... it's amazing how you can allow facts & circumstances for hundreds of fighters spoken of here on these boards Collins but you always take a dig at Gilroy - you are one of those people who 'can't' bring themselve to admit what was done to him, must be the English thing eh Collins - 'dis' Bert before admitting that "because of English National pride" he was CHEATED out of title & legacy, He must have been some fighter to have been side-stepped by how many was it (?) 5 of Britain's greatest ever, and also reported by some of Britain's greatest as being the next world champion (Wilde, Clarke, Hurst, Henderson and the 'immortal' American Charley Rose as well as others yet) BUT to start 'mocking' the Almighty; well now your heading into a dangerous level of a Foolish Low!

"Vote for BERT!"

jimglen wrote:Marginalizing Gilroy is one thing... it's amazing how you can allow facts & circumstances for hundreds of fighters spoken of here on these boards Collins but you always take a dig at Gilroy - you are one of those people who 'can't' bring themselve to admit what was done to him, must be the English thing eh Collins - 'dis' Bert before admitting that "because of English National pride" he was CHEATED out of title & legacy, He must have been some fighter to have been side-stepped by how many was it (?) 5 of Britain's greatest ever, and also reported by some of Britain's greatest as being the next world champion (Wilde, Clarke, Hurst, Henderson and the 'immortal' American Charley Rose as well as others yet) BUT to start 'mocking' the Almighty; well now your heading into a dangerous level of a Foolish Low!

A Foolish Low?

That's how I view your tripe like when you claimed Bert deserves to be ranked ahead of Ken Buchanan on the Best Scot's Boxer Ever list. I suppose if we disregard accomplishments then that is possible, Jim. Should we do that? Disregard actual accomplishments in favour of fantasy, Jim? Wouldn't that be the ultimate in disrespect?

1 Nino Benvenuti
2 Jack Britton
3 Panama Al Brown
4 Charley Burley
5 Marcel Cerdan
6 Kid Chocolate
7 George Dixon
8 Jim Driscoll
9 Tiger Flowers
10 Kid Gavilan
11 Tommy Gibbons
12 Khaosai Galaxy
13 Fighting Harada
14 Harold Johnson
15 Ted Kid Lewis
16 Tommy Loughran
17 Packy McFarland
18 Mike McCallum
19 Jimmy McLarnin
20 Carlos Ortiz
21 Eusebio Pedroza
22 Tommy Ryan
23 Michael Spinks
24 Dick Tiger
25 Carlos Zarate

Ken Buchanan

Carmen Basilio.

Eludes me why he hasn't been voted in 5 rounds ago.

Barry, Jimmy
Buchanan, Ken
Burley, Charley
Carattoli, Jose
Cerdan, Marcel
Darcy, Les
Flowers, Tiger
Galaxy, Khaosai
Kilbane, Johnny
Laguna, Ismael
Lausse, Eduardo
Lewis, John Henry
Loi, Duilio
Loughran, Tommy
McLarnin, Jimmy
Merentino, Rafael
Mina, Mauro
Monaghan, Rinty
Olivares, Ruben
Perez, Pascual
Rodriguez, Angel
Ryan, Tommy
Saldivar, Vicente
Thil, Marcel
Watt, Jim

Jake Lamotta
Les Darcy
Aaron Pryor
Rueben Olivares
Micheal Spinks
John L Sullivan
Floyd Patterson
Ken Buchanon... im sure ive spelt it wrong

ATT Borinken. Terry McGovern is already in, so you have another pick coming.

José Carattoli

José Carattoli

José Carattoli

Seamus wrote:ATT Borinken. Terry McGovern is already in, so you have another pick coming.

Thank you I'm thinking who should replace him.

Martin Sosa Cameron wrote:Barry, Jimmy
Buchanan, Ken
Burley, Charley
Carattoli, Jose
Cerdan, Marcel
Darcy, Les
Flowers, Tiger
Galaxy, Khaosai
Kilbane, Johnny
Laguna, Ismael
Lausse, Eduardo
Lewis, John Henry
Loi, Duilio
Loughran, Tommy
McLarnin, Jimmy
Merentino, Rafael
Mina, Mauro
Monaghan, Rinty
Olivares, Ruben
Perez, Pascual
Rodriguez, Angel
Ryan, Tommy
Saldivar, Vicente
Thil, Marcel
Watt, Jim

No disrespect intended and I understand your bias for South American fighters, but do you think that Mauro Mina, Jose Carattoli, and Angel Rodrigues should be inducted before fighters like Carlos Ortiz?

Borinken25 wrote:

No disrespect intended and I understand your bias for South American fighters, but do you think that Mauro Mina, Jose Carattoli, and Angel Rodrigues should be inducted before fighters like Carlos Ortiz?


Hi, Borinken!

You're right, but, until I knows, Carlos Ortiz is in the HOF in level C, and the other boys, until now, aren't in no one level

Thanks!

Martin- You may be confused about something, and I will try to clear it up.
A while back, we had a thread about rating the Hall of Famers. This was concerning fighters in the International Boxing Hall of Fame.
All of the fighters were grouped in 5 groups, A being the best, E being the worst. Ortiz was label a "C', which is average for a Hall of Famer.

This is something completely different from our Boxrec Hall of Fame. The Boxrec Hall of Fame is something we do for fun. We vote for the fighters that we think are the most deserving to be in the Hall of Fame, regardless if they are in the International Boxing Hall of Fame or not.

I don't want to tell you who to vote for. However, I would urge you to vote for who you think are the 25 best fighters (that have been retired for at least 10 years) that aren't already in the Boxrec Hall of Fame.

I agree with you that many South American fighters don't get the recognition that they deserve. However, I urge you not to vote for anyone who you don't think is one of the 25 best fighters not already in.
If the 25 fighters that you voted for are in your opinion the best 25, then that's fine. However, it seems from your last comments that you really think that Ortiz (and perhaps others) are better than some of the fighters that you voted for.
If that is the case, I would strongly urge you to change your vote. You can just edit it or simply vote again and we will just count your last vote.

I hope this makes sense to you. If not, let me know what you don't understand.

Ambling Alp,

Thanks! And thanks to Boriken25 appropriate question, too. Yes, I had in the moment of my answer a confussion, a lapsus