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Ray Leonard, or Hector Camacho?

Prime Camacho in my opinion.

Really. I think Leonard. Kept moving at all times messing with you.

define faster....

faster one punch, faster reflexes, faster combinations, faster mobility...

if you mean all in all, i think ray was awful damn fast.

vman wrote:define faster....

faster one punch, faster reflexes, faster combinations, faster mobility...

if you mean all in all, i think ray was awful damn fast.

That was what I was implying, all of the above.

Sugar Ray, no question. Camacho was more arm punching than anything, where Sugar Ray delivered with better speed and far more power. Then again you're talking about a guy who had a successful amateur career against one of the best amateurs in US history with one of the best brains in boxing.

I'm just going to assume to some of you never saw a prime Camacho fight, because if you did you will clearly see that Camacho had faster hands than Leonard, no contest. And I'm talking about Camacho pre-Rosario fight. Camacho Sr. had some of the fastest hands in boxing history.

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Sugar Ray Leonard was very fast at 147lbs...Above that, he was not as fast and effective...

If I got to say who was the fastest of all times, that gotta be Roy Jones, Jr. He was fast and scary going up in weight classes.

prime camacho was unbelievably fast.
no contest

Personally I feel Leonard was the fastest man overall, especially if you watch him at Welterweight.

But, purely on handspeed, it's clearly Camacho. His hands came out of their fold quicker than Leonard's ever did.

Camacho was faster, but Leonard hit harder.

Leonard was better but if you mean faster overall, Macho's punch would get there first, you just might not feel it.

Leonard!

verballistic wrote:

vman wrote:define faster....

faster one punch, faster reflexes, faster combinations, faster mobility...

if you mean all in all, i think ray was awful damn fast.

yeah, but macho camacho definitely RAN backwards faster!!

the only guy leonard boxed IN HIS PRIME who had faster hands than HE did was tommy hearns...which is how hearns built up that points lead before the late-round stoppage!!

Yeah, with individual punches, but with combinations Leonard's handspeed is virtually unmatched in history, he has a helluva lot of power to go with it too, mere pitter-patter doesn't simply get Marvin Hagler out of cornering you. Meldrick Taylor is another of the few that could match up or surpass Leonard when it comes to handspeed, especially in combinations.

Hector Camacho is 2nd only to Meldrick Taylor for speed in IMO.

Leonard was faster with the harder punches IMO

Perhaps Camacho has a slight edge in the speed of his "shoe-shine" combinations.

Handspeed always seems to be something a lot of folks don't agree on. Part of it is in the eye of the beholder and also what fights they've seen of the fighters in question.

Syntax Error wrote:Hector Camacho is 2nd only to Meldrick Taylor for speed in IMO.

This is how I have them ranked in terms of hand speed.

1.a. Meldrick Taylor
1.b. Hector Camacho
2. Sugar Ray Leonard
3. Roy Jones Jr.

Below Light Weight, Camacho had decent power. Probably my favorite Camacho fight was his bout with Rafael "Bazooka" Limon. Limon was just the kind of fighter your average dimwitted fight fan loves, all heart and no defense, while Camacho is the kind they absolute hate, grease lightning and very hard to hit. So naturally I loved it when the guy with all the heart got destroyed by the ring magician.

Borinken25 wrote:

Syntax Error wrote:Hector Camacho is 2nd only to Meldrick Taylor for speed in IMO.

This is how I have them ranked in terms of hand speed.

1.a. Meldrick Taylor
1.b. Hector Camacho
2. Sugar Ray Leonard
3. Roy Jones Jr.

Can't argue with that list.

Ray Leonard was the faster fighter comparing Camacho at 130 and Leonard at 147. If Leonard wanted to pity pat he would appear even faster.

Roy Jones, Jr to me, was the fastest fighter that I have ever seen. Even when he moved up on weight, he was still super fast, and still had that punching power going up. Leonard, Camacho nor Meldrick Taylor carried the speed nor the punch going up in weight.

50 yard dash, Ray Leonard.
Hand speed, Camacho.

Therefore and ergo since boxing is about the use of hands;

Camacho KO'd Leonard.

Do any of the retards here know that Camacho KNOCKED OUT Leonard?

What a pathetic site.

granberry wrote:Do any of the retards here know that Camacho KNOCKED OUT Leonard?

What a pathetic site.

On Leonards 4th comeback attempt, when Leonard was 41.
I am just going to assume that this was some sort of BotP Forum humor which I never really get.