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evander holyfield v lennox lewis who will be remembered most

Posted: 23 Nov 2007, 09:35
by boxerbob
holyfield won the title against.....douglas , bowe , tyson and ruiz.

lewis won the title against......vacant (not lewis fault) , mccall


holyfield in his prime was beaten by bowe x2 and moorer

lewis was beat in his prime by mccall and rahman


holyfield fought every top contender and champion during th 90s

lewis fought some of the best heavies of the 90s.


holyfield beat....douglas , foreman , holmes , bowe x3 , moorer x2 , mercer , tyson x2 , lewis x2 , ruiz x 3

lewis beat.....ruddock , tucker , bruno , mccall x2 , morrison , mercer , golata , tua , rahman x2 , tyson , klitscko , holyfied x2


now personally holyfield beat the better men , lewis had physical advantages over most men he fought but he didnt have what holy had...a chin.

lewis wins on power , strength , jab and right hand.

holyfield wins with , speed , chin , stamina , combinations , footwork , infighting


holyfield vs lewis both in thier prime.....holyfield wins this by late ko or points

he will be remembered by the boxing world more than lewis but both will be in the hall of fame.....holy before lennox though

Posted: 23 Nov 2007, 10:26
by jezzamundo
A few errors in your post:
holyfield won the title against.....douglas , bowe , tyson and ruiz.

lewis won the title against......vacant (not lewis fault) , mccall
Lewis also won the title against Rahman.
holyfield in his prime was beaten by bowe x2 and moorer

lewis was beat in his prime by mccall and rahman
Lewis was not in his prime when beaten by McCall, and was arguably (although not in my opinion) not in his prime when beaten by Rahman.
holyfield beat....douglas , foreman , holmes , bowe x3 , moorer x2 , mercer , tyson x2 , lewis x2 , ruiz x 3

lewis beat.....ruddock , tucker , bruno , mccall x2 , morrison , mercer , golata , tua , rahman x2 , tyson , klitscko , holyfied x2
This should read FOUGHT, not BEAT. Holyfield went 1-2 with Bowe, 1-1 with Moorer, 0-1-1 with Lewis and 1-1-1 with Ruiz. Lewis went 1-1 with McCall and 1-1 with Rahman.

In terms of who will be remembered most, I think it's a pretty close call. Holyfield will likely be better remembered by Americans, perhaps Lewis would have a slight edge worldwide. The year these men would have been closest to their respective primes and could have feasibly fought would have been in 1995 or 1996, Lewis was just beginning his prime years and Holyfield was nearing the end of his. As for who wins the fight - I think it depends on which Lennox Lewis turns up. I believe Lewis's best performance beats Holyfield's best, and at this point in their careers it would be a 50:50 fight. In their actual encounters, Lewis gave poor performances, particularly in their 2nd fight, and Holyfield was past his best, although still formidable in the 2nd fight, which was far closer than the judges scored it.

Posted: 23 Nov 2007, 11:26
by boxerbob
good reply mate

2 things though....holyfield will be remembered worldwide a lot more than lewis and the bit where you say about a lewis holy fight in thier prime was interesting.

"what lennox lewis turns up"......that shows that lewis was lazy and picked the fights to be in peak condition for.

holy was always in condition

i see the same fight holy fought vs bowe 1 if these 2 fought in thier prime but with a different winner...lewis couldnt fight inside and he couldnt have matched holys pace....again i say its holy late or by points.

good reply though

Posted: 23 Nov 2007, 11:28
by Syntax Error
Holyfield will be remembered the most for 2 reasons:-

1) He's hanging around like a bad smell & won't retire, so by the time he does quit, he'll have been fighting for 55 years!

2) He's American! :TU: :box:

Posted: 23 Nov 2007, 21:18
by BoxBuzz
Holyfield had a bit more drama connected to his name, so I'm guessing he will edge it in the history books. Not for all the right reasons perhaps but that's probably the answer to the question.


I'm going to post a survey on this one. I hope you dont' mind.

Posted: 23 Nov 2007, 22:01
by Tantum
Lennox will be in the Hall of Fame before Holyfield, simply because Lewis retired mcuh earlier.

Posted: 23 Nov 2007, 22:29
by BoxBuzz
Tantum wrote:Lennox will be in the Hall of Fame before Holyfield, simply because Lewis retired mcuh earlier.
No Doubt.....Holyfield may well NEVER retire voluntarily.

Posted: 24 Nov 2007, 02:36
by I Feel Fine
Clearly Holyfield in terms of popular opinion and fame. Though, then again, I live in the U.S. and not Canada or Britain, not sure how he is viewed in those countries compared to Evander. I do rank Lewis ahead of Holyfield as a Heavyweight, but P4P I think Evander is the better fighter and he had a more exciting career. I think Holyfield also lived up to his potential a little more than Lewis did, though they both had losses they shouldn't have had and I think Lewis should have fought on longer while Evander should have retired earlier.

I think critics of these two must miss them more and more every day, considering today's Heavyweights. Wlad is a poor man's version of Lewis, and he's the best Heavyweight in the world today. I'm not sure when we'll see another Holyfield in terms of a Heavyweight who gives it his all and has talent, few Heavyweights today have either of those qualities, let alone both.

Posted: 24 Nov 2007, 12:00
by Minotauro
I think Holyfield will be more loved by his fans even in many years time due to the way he fought and the fact he will always be linked with Tyson. I believe Lennox will be remembered as the greater fighter when people look back on some of his performance.

Posted: 26 Nov 2007, 03:23
by Jaclem
...holyfield engaged in more exciting and dramatic fights than lewis, so i'm sure his fights will show up more on "classic tapes" than lewis' will. just the three fights with bowe, for different reasons ,should continue to get a lot of replay in the future. for one thing, how many guys landed in the ring in a parachute when lewis fought? how many times did lewis get half an ear chewed off? see what i mean.

also...holyfield does NOT have a good healthy post-career future, and ....i say this sadly....when he's reduced to mumbling and needing help to cross the street his career will be used as an example of the bad things boxing can do to the human brain and body.

i'd say holyfield will be remembered long after he remembers who he himself is.

Posted: 26 Nov 2007, 03:54
by p4p1
IMO Holyfield if not only for the tyson fight but then you throw in the foreman fight aswell so alot of the time when foreman, tyson are being talked about so will holy the same can not be said for lewis i dont think he will be remembered fot his tyson fights or holyfield nor should he because he fought better fighters than those two were at that stage in their career

Posted: 27 Nov 2007, 09:41
by RazorKO
Holyfield will be remembered most. He ducked no one and fought every top contender during his reign was undisputed Crusierweight champ, he defeated top HW contenders like Dokes, Thomas and Tillis, as well as great fighters like Bowe and Tyson.

Lewis however struggled with opponents he should of beaten easily, outjabbed by Bruno for 7 rounds, taken to the brink by Mercer, shook up by Briggs, floored by Akiwande, was lucky to get past Klistchko and knocked out by McCall + Rahman. Not to mention struggling with an old Holyfield in the rematch.

Holyfield will be remembered the most.