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Most shot fighter you have seen....
Posted: 05 Dec 2007, 11:12
by johnswan1
What fighters do you think have had the biggest falls from grace but still fought on when they were barely a shadow of their former selves?
Those that come to my mind are Gatti (v Baldomir & Gomez), Vargas ( v Mayorga), Jones Jr (v Johnson) and Tyson (v McBride).
Any more recently that have gone from world class to looking like somebody a club fighter would beat? I think out of this lot Jones Jr is the only one who can be excused as he went on to have another couple of wins.
Posted: 05 Dec 2007, 11:18
by Goz
I thought Honeygan against Breland looked so shot compared to what he had previously been.
Bowe in the Golota fights....
Posted: 05 Dec 2007, 11:35
by punchers chance
Riddick Bowe vs Billy Zumbrun
Posted: 05 Dec 2007, 11:37
by DavidPayne
One of Steve Robinson's last fights.
Justin Juuko over here last time.
Posted: 05 Dec 2007, 11:38
by Wales
Jukko was it when he fought gomez
Posted: 05 Dec 2007, 11:53
by oliverfennell
Wales wrote:Jukko was it when he fought gomez
Exactly what I thought when I saw the thread title. He has resumed his career in Uganda, too.
And Tyson against McBride. Even in defeat, he still looked dangerous against Williams, but against McBride he was a shadow of even the fringe contender he was a year earlier.
Posted: 05 Dec 2007, 12:07
by THEBUTCH
Pinklon Thomas against Evander Holyfield.
Posted: 05 Dec 2007, 12:39
by DavidPayne
Thank you one and all.
The fkker was like Richard Pryor in See No Evil
Posted: 05 Dec 2007, 12:41
by overhand_right
You're all wrong.
The most shot fighter of ALL time is officially: LEON SPINKS.
1994, Spinks collapses under a barrage of crude cuffing shots from John Carlo, who had no amateur fights and was making his debut. Carlo iced Leon in 1.
1995, Spinks handlers try bring him back by digging up light-heavy journeyman Fred (Young Sanford) Houpe, who hadn't even boxed for 17 years. He outpointed Spinks.
Beggars belief...
Posted: 05 Dec 2007, 12:43
by oliverfennell
overhand_right wrote:You're all wrong.
The most shot fighter of ALL time is officially: LEON SPINKS.
1994, Spinks collapses under a barrage of crude cuffing shots from John Carlo, who had no amateur fights and was making his debut. Carlo iced Leon in 1.
1995, Spinks handlers try bring him back by digging up light-heavy journeyman Fred (Young Sanford) Houpe, who hadn't even boxed for 17 years. He outpointed Spinks.
Beggars belief...
Never seen those fights, but I knew about Spinks-Carlo. Imagine beating a former world heavyweight champion in your debut!
Posted: 05 Dec 2007, 12:46
by chris s
Mike Dokes against Riddick bowe
Posted: 05 Dec 2007, 12:50
by johnswan1
That just reminded me of something. Who was it who fought for a world title on their pro debut? Maybe I am dreaming it but was sure I read about it somewhere. I remember it was an olympic medallist?
Posted: 05 Dec 2007, 12:54
by chief
Jukko was the first one ot come to mind but then I though of Ali vs Holmes - not sure it gets much worse than that....

Posted: 05 Dec 2007, 12:56
by Podmore_Birmingham
johnswan1 wrote:That just reminded me of something. Who was it who fought for a world title on their pro debut? Maybe I am dreaming it but was sure I read about it somewhere. I remember it was an olympic medallist?
Pete Rademacher, who decked Floyd Patterson in a world heavyweight title crack on his paid debut. He won gold at the the 1956 Olympics.
Posted: 05 Dec 2007, 12:56
by overhand_right
oliverfennell wrote:
Never seen those fights, but I knew about Spinks-Carlo. Imagine beating a former world heavyweight champion in your debut!
The Carlo fight was filmed from ringside. The tape makes for more disturbing viewing than The Exorcist.
Posted: 05 Dec 2007, 12:56
by DavidPayne
Peter Rademacher versus Floyd Patterson, in I think 1957.
He floored Patterson before losing in 7?
Posted: 05 Dec 2007, 12:58
by johnswan1
Podmore_Birmingham wrote:johnswan1 wrote:That just reminded me of something. Who was it who fought for a world title on their pro debut? Maybe I am dreaming it but was sure I read about it somewhere. I remember it was an olympic medallist?
Pete Rademacher, who decked Floyd Patterson in a world heavyweight title crack on his paid debut. He won gold at the the 1956 Olympics.
That's the one.

Was beginning to get frustrated there as I trawled through the records and internet searches.
Posted: 05 Dec 2007, 12:59
by DavidPayne
maybe it was later than 57...seems too early, 1961?
Posted: 05 Dec 2007, 13:00
by DavidPayne
Nope I was right 57.
Posted: 05 Dec 2007, 13:01
by johnswan1
It would be the equivalent of Audley Harrison taking on Lennox Lewis back in 2001 in between the two Rahman fights.
Posted: 05 Dec 2007, 13:21
by TheGoods
Justin Juuko v Gomez is first thing I thought when saw thread. He was SCARILY shot to shit.
Posted: 05 Dec 2007, 13:30
by ebeneezer
Stanley Ketchel
Posted: 05 Dec 2007, 13:31
by nickd
Luisito Espinosa from 2000 onwards.
Posted: 05 Dec 2007, 14:26
by revporl
Ali against Holmes, it has to be.
Posted: 05 Dec 2007, 15:38
by rooney
esham pickering loooks very shot