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That Danny Green was robbed against Markus Beyer. Assuming Green is refering to the first bout where he was DQ'd for a deliberate headbut. It was not only stupid, it was so deliberate and so unneccesary.


Myth. Busted

That Grant knows what he is talking about in this thread.

Myth. Busted.

I sort of agree with Grant, and I had money on Green to win. He was getting frustrated because Beyer survived early and was outboxing him, so he launched one hell of a headbutt. If you're stupid enough to do that in the champion's backyard you deserve what you get.

Marlin wrote:That Grant knows what he is talking about in this thread.

Myth. Busted.

That's bad isn't it :(

Bullshit. They clashed heads behind Beyer's ear. It was nowhere near the original cut.

Brute wrote:Bullshit. They clashed heads behind Beyer's ear. It was nowhere near the original cut.

It was still a delberate head butt, It didnt hit the other cut but it was intentional.

Agree Ben

Stupid and deliberaate

If that hapened in Australia we would run that guy out of town. Just as the did in Germany

Grant wrote:Agree Ben

Stupid and deliberaate

If that hapened in Australia we would run that guy out of town. Just as the did in Germany

I disagree totally.

Remember the second fight? Where Beyer was given a standing eight count in spite of the fact the rules for the fight included "no standing eight count?"

Beyer was out on his feet. The standing eight count saved him.

I think you'll find that it was a mandatory 8 count, not a standing 8 count, that was applied after Beyer was deemed to be held up by the ropes.

It was a standing eight. No part of Beyer's body touched the mat. Ropes do not count.

Brute wrote:It was a standing eight. No part of Beyer's body touched the mat. Ropes do not count.

You're wrong there, buddy.

If a glove touches the canvas or if the ropes are demeed to be the only thing holding fighter up, a mandatory eight count is applied.

A standing eight is an entirely different thing and is rarely applied in the professional ranks.

How many times have you seen fighters come of the ropes to win? Give me a break!

Brute wrote:How many times have you seen fighters come of the ropes to win? Give me a break!

Are you serious? I am not really talking about the Beyer fight but many fighters have come of the ropes to win, including title fights.

Brute wrote:How many times have you seen fighters come of the ropes to win? Give me a break!

Maybe I'm a little naive here, but can you please explain the difference between a mandatory eight count and a standing eight count.

Muchas gracias.

mano loco wrote:

Brute wrote:How many times have you seen fighters come of the ropes to win? Give me a break!

Maybe I'm a little naive here, but can you please explain the difference between a mandatory eight count and a standing eight count.

Muchas gracias.

standing 8 is where the fighter is given an 8 count with out going down, a mandatory 8 is when a fighter is knocked down the cout must reach 8 before the fight can resume

There is no ambiguity, the knockdown was called because the referee correctly determined that the ropes clearly prevented any part of Beyer's body with the exception of the feet from touching the canvas in response to a legal blow. It was a mandatory 8 count not a standing 8. And in any case Green was lucky to get the call at all. His rushing Beyer pushed Beyer off balance and caused him to fall, so if anyone got screwed it was Beyer as it cost him a 10-8 round, which may have been pivotal in a closer fight.

Marlin wrote:That Grant knows what he is talking about in this thread.

Myth. Busted.

You deliberately stick the nut in, you get DQ'd. Simple as, as you might say in Australia.

R_jay wrote:There is no ambiguity, the knockdown was called because the referee correctly determined that the ropes clearly prevented any part of Beyer's body with the exception of the feet from touching the canvas in response to a legal blow.

Another good example of this is Holyfield-Cooper.

The exact fight I was thinking about when I wrote that. The 1st knockdown of Holyfield's career, even though he didn't touch the canvas. Great fight too. Cooper was about 2 good shots away from the stoppage.

oliverfennell wrote:

R_jay wrote:There is no ambiguity, the knockdown was called because the referee correctly determined that the ropes clearly prevented any part of Beyer's body with the exception of the feet from touching the canvas in response to a legal blow.

Another good example of this is Holyfield-Cooper.

When Jeff Harding fought Dennis Andries the first time, Andries was backed into the ropes with Harding punching into him and Andries unable to defend himself. The referee stopped the fight and awarded it to Harding by K.O.

What is the difference?

calmac66 wrote:

Brute wrote:How many times have you seen fighters come of the ropes to win? Give me a break!

Are you serious? I am not really talking about the Beyer fight but many fighters have come of the ropes to win, including title fights.

That was my point.

R_jay wrote:There is no ambiguity, the knockdown was called because the referee correctly determined that the ropes clearly prevented any part of Beyer's body with the exception of the feet from touching the canvas in response to a legal blow. It was a mandatory 8 count not a standing 8. And in any case Green was lucky to get the call at all. His rushing Beyer pushed Beyer off balance and caused him to fall, so if anyone got screwed it was Beyer as it cost him a 10-8 round, which may have been pivotal in a closer fight.

Oh, come on! A German fighter screwed in Germany?

Brute wrote:

oliverfennell wrote:

R_jay wrote:There is no ambiguity, the knockdown was called because the referee correctly determined that the ropes clearly prevented any part of Beyer's body with the exception of the feet from touching the canvas in response to a legal blow.

Another good example of this is Holyfield-Cooper.

When Jeff Harding fought Dennis Andries the first time, Andries was backed into the ropes with Harding punching into him and Andries unable to defend himself. The referee stopped the fight and awarded it to Harding by K.O.

What is the difference?

If a fighter is knocked off balance and the only thing that stops him from going down is the ropes, a knockdown is called. If a guy is up against the ropes but taking punishment a knockdown is almost never called, and the fight will only be stopped when he is no longer defending himself.

A contestant shall be considered down when any part of his body, other than his feet, is on the floor, or if he is hanging helplessly over the ropes, and only is held up by the ropes, as the result of a legal blow. Only the Referee may determine whether there has been a knockdown.

In reality if a guy is helpless on the ropes the fight is usually called.

Oh, come on! A German fighter screwed in Germany?

The fight could have taken place on Mars, what happened happened. Many referees would not have called that a knockdown. I would not have.

oliverfennell wrote:

R_jay wrote:There is no ambiguity, the knockdown was called because the referee correctly determined that the ropes clearly prevented any part of Beyer's body with the exception of the feet from touching the canvas in response to a legal blow.

Another good example of this is Holyfield-Cooper.

Holyfield grabbed the rope as he was going down to stop himself from hitting the canvas. That is different to having your back against the ropes.