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UnfortunatelyI had never seen him fight before, but heard that he gave Brigs a good hard fight, what happened on Sunday night??

Danny looked good but why didn't Stipe fight? even the ref had to chat him a few times about fighting?

Did Danny hit him that hard that he just ran all night? Stipe did throw a couple of shots with some conviction in the last three rounds but nit many?

Any explanation ?

Ross

Shite pulled a heart mussle!

He probably worked out early on that he had bitten off more than he could chew.

I wouldn't be surprised if he was paid to lose that fight. I mean the guy was smiling at the end of it. He didn't seem cut about the loss or anything. I must say its the worst fight I have ever seen!

Beltane wrote:Shite pulled a heart mussle!

Brute wrote:He probably worked out early on that he had bitten off more than he could chew.

Trent wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if he was paid to lose that fight. I mean the guy was smiling at the end of it. He didn't seem cut about the loss or anything. I must say its the worst fight I have ever seen!

Marlin wrote:

Beltane wrote:Shite pulled a heart mussle!

Brute wrote:He probably worked out early on that he had bitten off more than he could chew.

Trent wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if he was paid to lose that fight. I mean the guy was smiling at the end of it. He didn't seem cut about the loss or anything. I must say its the worst fight I have ever seen!

Trent wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if he was paid to lose that fight. I mean the guy was smiling at the end of it. He didn't seem cut about the loss or anything. I must say its the worst fight I have ever seen!

mate i agree

Trent wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if he was paid to lose that fight. I mean the guy was smiling at the end of it. He didn't seem cut about the loss or anything. I must say its the worst fight I have ever seen!

You are an idiot. The chump change that would paid in bribes is peanuts compared to the amount of money a champion earns for defending his title. Athletes or jockeys are monly bribed if there is money to win by nobbling a favourite. Drews was never favoured to win anyway. Green is just a better fighter than him.

Only a dickheaded loudmouth like Mundine would come up with a "paid to lose" story like that, and even he would not believe it was true.

Trent wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if he was paid to lose that fight. I mean the guy was smiling at the end of it. He didn't seem cut about the loss or anything. I must say its the worst fight I have ever seen!

Trent that is exactly what I was thinking but thought I would put a question on the board to see if anyone thought the same way and from the responces I am not alone.
Stipe was a nobody and was never going to make any good money unless he fought a draw card - Green was the draw and STipe got his best payday to date.
The Green win sets up Green Vs Mundine in Perth with Green taking the lions share of the purse.

Did Stipe get encouraged to noy put up his best effort - looks like it, did DG know this or have anthing to do with it NO.

Just my opinion, but stranger hings have happened

Ross

Ross wrote:

Trent wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if he was paid to lose that fight. I mean the guy was smiling at the end of it. He didn't seem cut about the loss or anything. I must say its the worst fight I have ever seen!

Trent that is exactly what I was thinking but thought I would put a question on the board to see if anyone thought the same way and from the responces I am not alone.
Stipe was a nobody and was never going to make any good money unless he fought a draw card - Green was the draw and STipe got his best payday to date.
The Green win sets up Green Vs Mundine in Perth with Green taking the lions share of the purse.

Did Stipe get encouraged to noy put up his best effort - looks like it, did DG know this or have anthing to do with it NO.

Just my opinion, but stranger hings have happened

Ross

Who do you believe were involved in fixing this fight, Ross?

You are some sort of trainer, so you must understand that is a pretty serious accusation to make.

Collins2000 wrote:

Ross wrote:

Trent wrote:I wouldn't be surprised if he was paid to lose that fight. I mean the guy was smiling at the end of it. He didn't seem cut about the loss or anything. I must say its the worst fight I have ever seen!

Trent that is exactly what I was thinking but thought I would put a question on the board to see if anyone thought the same way and from the responces I am not alone.
Stipe was a nobody and was never going to make any good money unless he fought a draw card - Green was the draw and STipe got his best payday to date.
The Green win sets up Green Vs Mundine in Perth with Green taking the lions share of the purse.

Did Stipe get encouraged to noy put up his best effort - looks like it, did DG know this or have anthing to do with it NO.

Just my opinion, but stranger hings have happened

Ross

Who do you believe were involved in fixing this fight, Ross?

You are some sort of trainer, so you must understand that is a pretty serious accusation to make.

Not accusing anybody, my point was that if it was the case DG would not have known, who did what I dont know, just thought that it was a lack of effort by Stipe that raises my suspicious - did you see Briggs and STipe? If so how would you compare

r

Many a champion has come up against a better fighter. Trevor berbick was WBC heavyweight Champion until he met Mike Tyson. Tyson KOed him in two rounds. Nobody suggested that was a fix. Tyson's time had just come. Jack Dempsey was considered the greatest Heavy ever, until Gene Tunney outboxed him. Max Baer was a killer, until an under rated Jim Braddock outsmarted, out gutsed and out boxed him. Drews was WBA World Champion, but Green was a better fighter. Drews worked this out early on and concentrated on survival, just as James Smith did against Tyson.

Drews did the same thing Smith did. he avoided being knocked out by a stronger fighter.

ou are an idiot. The chump change that would paid in bribes is peanuts compared to the amount of money a champion earns for defending his title. Athletes or jockeys are monly bribed if there is money to win by nobbling a favourite. Drews was never favoured to win anyway. Green is just a better fighter than him.

Only a dickheaded loudmouth like Mundine would come up with a "paid to lose" story like that, and even he would not believe it was true.

I just said "I wouldn't be surprised" I'm not a conspiracy theorist or anything.

Many a champion has come up against a better fighter. Trevor berbick was WBC heavyweight Champion until he met Mike Tyson. Tyson KOed him in two rounds. Nobody suggested that was a fix. Tyson's time had just come. Jack Dempsey was considered the greatest Heavy ever, until Gene Tunney outboxed him. Max Baer was a killer, until an under rated Jim Braddock outsmarted, out gutsed and out boxed him. Drews was WBA World Champion, but Green was a better fighter. Drews worked this out early on and concentrated on survival, just as James Smith did against Tyson.

It was obvious Berick tried to put up a fight, hence thats why he got knocked out. Your other examples are just silly :)

All I said was that i wouldn't be surprised, I'm not 100% certain it was a fix. Just looks sus to me how drews went about the fight thats all. Really it kinda puts a dent in Green holding the title, and hopefully he can get some decent title earning fights that will make him one of the all time greats. I'm not looking forward to a Mundine fight. I'd prefer to see Green go after the other title holders, or Tarvor

Ross wrote:

Collins2000 wrote:

Ross wrote: Trent that is exactly what I was thinking but thought I would put a question on the board to see if anyone thought the same way and from the responces I am not alone.
Stipe was a nobody and was never going to make any good money unless he fought a draw card - Green was the draw and STipe got his best payday to date.
The Green win sets up Green Vs Mundine in Perth with Green taking the lions share of the purse.

Did Stipe get encouraged to noy put up his best effort - looks like it, did DG know this or have anthing to do with it NO.

Just my opinion, but stranger hings have happened

Ross

Who do you believe were involved in fixing this fight, Ross?

You are some sort of trainer, so you must understand that is a pretty serious accusation to make.

Not accusing anybody, my point was that if it was the case DG would not have known, who did what I dont know, just thought that it was a lack of effort by Stipe that raises my suspicious - did you see Briggs and STipe? If so how would you compare

r

"Looks like it" suggests to me you believe the fight was fixed.

So, can you clarify for me. Do you believe that fight was fixed and if so, by who?

My take is that Drews didn't need to be bribed; he just wasn't up to the task that night and decided he'd just survive. It's not the first time this has happened. You must have taken lads to shows where for some reason they didn't perform as well as you knew they could based on previous fights and their form in the gym. There are a myriad of reasons that could account for Drews looking crap not least the fact that he was facing a very good, well conditioned fighter who was up for the fight.

To talk of the fix being in seems ridiculous to me.

Collins2000 wrote:

Ross wrote:

Collins2000 wrote: Who do you believe were involved in fixing this fight, Ross?

You are some sort of trainer, so you must understand that is a pretty serious accusation to make.

Not accusing anybody, my point was that if it was the case DG would not have known, who did what I dont know, just thought that it was a lack of effort by Stipe that raises my suspicious - did you see Briggs and STipe? If so how would you compare

r

"Looks like it" suggests to me you believe the fight was fixed.

So, can you clarify for me. Do you believe that fight was fixed and if so, by who?

My take is that Drews didn't need to be bribed; he just wasn't up to the task that night and decided he'd just survive. It's not the first time this has happened. You must have taken lads to shows where for some reason they didn't perform as well as you knew they could based on previous fights and their form in the gym. There are a myriad of reasons that could account for Drews looking crap not least the fact that he was facing a very good, well conditioned fighter who was up for the fight.

To talk of the fix being in seems ridiculous to me.

I have no idea if the fight was fixed or by who, it looked to me that Stipe did not put forward an effort to even try and win the fight and I ask why? I also asked how he looked against Briggs? did he fight the same way or wth more fire?
Yes there are many reasons why figters do not perform at their best, maybe thats the way Stipe fights? I dont know - how did he look against Briggs?? We are all entited to an opinion and to me it looked like Stipe was not putting up a good effort - but that may be his game I dont know?



Ross

Ross wrote:

Collins2000 wrote:

Ross wrote: Not accusing anybody, my point was that if it was the case DG would not have known, who did what I dont know, just thought that it was a lack of effort by Stipe that raises my suspicious - did you see Briggs and STipe? If so how would you compare

r

"Looks like it" suggests to me you believe the fight was fixed.

So, can you clarify for me. Do you believe that fight was fixed and if so, by who?

My take is that Drews didn't need to be bribed; he just wasn't up to the task that night and decided he'd just survive. It's not the first time this has happened. You must have taken lads to shows where for some reason they didn't perform as well as you knew they could based on previous fights and their form in the gym. There are a myriad of reasons that could account for Drews looking crap not least the fact that he was facing a very good, well conditioned fighter who was up for the fight.

To talk of the fix being in seems ridiculous to me.

I have no idea if the fight was fixed or by who, it looked to me that Stipe did not put forward an effort to even try and win the fight and I ask why? I also asked how he looked against Briggs? did he fight the same way or wth more fire?
Yes there are many reasons why figters do not perform at their best, maybe thats the way Stipe fights? I dont know - how did he look against Briggs?? We are all entited to an opinion and to me it looked like Stipe was not putting up a good effort - but that may be his game I dont know?



Ross

Any fool can see he wasn't putting 100% into it.

Not every fighter does on every occasion. Like I said, you are a trainer so this shouldn't come as a shock to you.

But to suggest he was bribed to not put up a good effort seems to me to be going to extremes.

Do the management of Australian fighters often bribe imports, Ross? I mean, if it happens often then perhaps you are right to suggest it.

How much do you think they would have paid Drews to throw the fight?

Collins2000 wrote:

Ross wrote:

Collins2000 wrote: "Looks like it" suggests to me you believe the fight was fixed.

So, can you clarify for me. Do you believe that fight was fixed and if so, by who?

My take is that Drews didn't need to be bribed; he just wasn't up to the task that night and decided he'd just survive. It's not the first time this has happened. You must have taken lads to shows where for some reason they didn't perform as well as you knew they could based on previous fights and their form in the gym. There are a myriad of reasons that could account for Drews looking crap not least the fact that he was facing a very good, well conditioned fighter who was up for the fight.

To talk of the fix being in seems ridiculous to me.

I have no idea if the fight was fixed or by who, it looked to me that Stipe did not put forward an effort to even try and win the fight and I ask why? I also asked how he looked against Briggs? did he fight the same way or wth more fire?
Yes there are many reasons why figters do not perform at their best, maybe thats the way Stipe fights? I dont know - how did he look against Briggs?? We are all entited to an opinion and to me it looked like Stipe was not putting up a good effort - but that may be his game I dont know?



Ross

Any fool can see he wasn't putting 100% into it.

Not every fighter does on every occasion. Like I said, you are a trainer so this shouldn't come as a shock to you.

But to suggest he was bribed to not put up a good effort seems to me to be going to extremes.

Do the management of Australian fighters often bribe imports, Ross? I mean, if it happens often then perhaps you are right to suggest it.

How much do you think they would have paid Drews to throw the fight?

Why wasnt he putting n 100% effort as you say any fool could see?
Not every fighter puts in 100% on every occasion? asI think Brute sad there are examples of when fighters know there beat - Bonecrusher but in the main - I think all fighters would put in 100% if not for injury.
Bribing imports - come on most of the imports just arnt that good.

And I ask again did you see Stipe Vs Briggs and how did it compare? Did Stipe fight the same.
How much do I think they paid Stipe - $1

ross

i think danny needs to get into the ring quickly and beat a top contender so the stipe drews thing dies down and he proves himself to be able to beat top contenders that dont just run away

Ross wrote:

Collins2000 wrote:

Ross wrote:

I have no idea if the fight was fixed or by who, it looked to me that Stipe did not put forward an effort to even try and win the fight and I ask why? I also asked how he looked against Briggs? did he fight the same way or wth more fire?
Yes there are many reasons why figters do not perform at their best, maybe thats the way Stipe fights? I dont know - how did he look against Briggs?? We are all entited to an opinion and to me it looked like Stipe was not putting up a good effort - but that may be his game I dont know?



Ross

Any fool can see he wasn't putting 100% into it.

Not every fighter does on every occasion. Like I said, you are a trainer so this shouldn't come as a shock to you.

But to suggest he was bribed to not put up a good effort seems to me to be going to extremes.

Do the management of Australian fighters often bribe imports, Ross? I mean, if it happens often then perhaps you are right to suggest it.

How much do you think they would have paid Drews to throw the fight?

Why wasnt he putting n 100% effort as you say any fool could see?
Not every fighter puts in 100% on every occasion? asI think Brute sad there are examples of when fighters know there beat - Bonecrusher but in the main - I think all fighters would put in 100% if not for injury.
Bribing imports - come on most of the imports just arnt that good.

And I ask again did you see Stipe Vs Briggs and how did it compare? Did Stipe fight the same.
How much do I think they paid Stipe - $1

ross

If you think every fighter in every fights gives 100% you need to watch fights with someone who knows what they are seeing, mate.

Do all the Manilla folders that rock up here give 100%?


To answer your question, Drews fought with a lot more ambition against Briggs. I believe that actually proves my point. Different fight - different level of committment. Nothing to do with him being bribed.

Money talks, Drews was the champ so he got paid like one, I belive Greens Promo company paid for everything for drews like Motel rooms, hes little stint at some wild life park and afew more other things, I can see why Drews didnt really fight back - Getting paid to party and dropping your title seems like a cool thing when u r treated like a king.

Drews fought to the best of his ability. He started getting dirty and throwing rabbit punches well into the fight. His best was just not good enough.

Brute wrote:Drews fought to the best of his ability. He started getting dirty and throwing rabbit punches well into the fight. His best was just not good enough.

A bit of sense shown here.

Collins2000 wrote:

Ross wrote:

Collins2000 wrote:
Any fool can see he wasn't putting 100% into it.

Not every fighter does on every occasion. Like I said, you are a trainer so this shouldn't come as a shock to you.

But to suggest he was bribed to not put up a good effort seems to me to be going to extremes.

Do the management of Australian fighters often bribe imports, Ross? I mean, if it happens often then perhaps you are right to suggest it.

How much do you think they would have paid Drews to throw the fight?

Why wasnt he putting n 100% effort as you say any fool could see?
Not every fighter puts in 100% on every occasion? asI think Brute sad there are examples of when fighters know there beat - Bonecrusher but in the main - I think all fighters would put in 100% if not for injury.
Bribing imports - come on most of the imports just arnt that good.

And I ask again did you see Stipe Vs Briggs and how did it compare? Did Stipe fight the same.
How much do I think they paid Stipe - $1

ross

If you think every fighter in every fights gives 100% you need to watch fights with someone who knows what they are seeing, mate.

Do all the Manilla folders that rock up here give 100%?


To answer your question, Drews fought with a lot more ambition against Briggs. I believe that actually proves my point. Different fight - different level of committment. Nothing to do with him being bribed.

What is a Manilla folder ? - the imports that fold against Oz fighters?

You seem frantic about my comments, fighters giving 100% is a natural instinct by your reasoning fighters always give 100%, my view was Dewis did not give 100% and I asked why.
Could he have been bribed - anything is possible was he bribed I dont know. If you think bribes dont exist we should have a private chat, and you can speak to anther trainer and a couple of fighters who will tell you it even happens in ameteur boxing in Qld.

How does your comment about Briggs fight "prove your point"?

Ross

Ross wrote:

Collins2000 wrote:

Ross wrote:
Why wasnt he putting n 100% effort as you say any fool could see?
Not every fighter puts in 100% on every occasion? asI think Brute sad there are examples of when fighters know there beat - Bonecrusher but in the main - I think all fighters would put in 100% if not for injury.
Bribing imports - come on most of the imports just arnt that good.

And I ask again did you see Stipe Vs Briggs and how did it compare? Did Stipe fight the same.
How much do I think they paid Stipe - $1

ross

If you think every fighter in every fights gives 100% you need to watch fights with someone who knows what they are seeing, mate.

Do all the Manilla folders that rock up here give 100%?


To answer your question, Drews fought with a lot more ambition against Briggs. I believe that actually proves my point. Different fight - different level of committment. Nothing to do with him being bribed.

What is a Manilla folder ? - the imports that fold against Oz fighters?

You seem frantic about my comments, fighters giving 100% is a natural instinct by your reasoning fighters always give 100%, my view was Dewis did not give 100% and I asked why.
Could he have been bribed - anything is possible was he bribed I dont know. If you think bribes dont exist we should have a private chat, and you can speak to anther trainer and a couple of fighters who will tell you it even happens in ameteur boxing in Qld.

How does your comment about Briggs fight "prove your point"?

Ross

Ross, I can't dumb it down any more for you, mate.

Let me know next time you suspect a fighter has been bribed to lose here in Australia.

Seeing that amateurs are not supposed to be paid, it should be a lot easier to bribe one of them than a professional champion getting six figure amounts to defend his title .