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big john was a large powerful man from the south.

a simple fella who's frame 6'4'' and 230 ibs would fit in with todays division perfectly. also he had very long arms at 80''.

also, big john could move his huge frame through 15 rds with no problems, whilst the majority of todays big men despite their advanced training and techniques huff and puff over 8 rounders. can anybody explain this to me?

he defeated gerrie coetzee in his backyard infront of some 60,000 south africans to win the wba title, had kayos over kallie knoetzee, an undefeated bernardo mercado, and fallen 'white hot' prospects duane bobick and lou esa. also a points win early in his career over eddie 'the animal' lopez.

what were big johns strengths? where do you think it all went wrong for him?

What happened to John Tate? Simple drugs. [/quote]

I dont know anything about Big John and drugs. I do believe he never really recovered from his loss to Mike Weaver. He seemed to lose all confidence after that.

yes he battled a long figth with drugs and was was homeless in the early 90s. also went to prison for breaking a fellow bums jaw over $14.

His obituary in Boxing News suggested that he was on drugs when he crashed his lorry.

Recently obtained an amateur fight of him being KO'ed in one round by Emory Chapman..............!!!

Phil

wow where did you find that one phil?

and yes when he died they said traces of cocaine were found in his body. i wonder whether drugs of this nature led to the brain seizure that caused him to crash?

i have heard cocaine abuse leaves holes in the brain, seriously.

I obtained it from a bloke in Bury!

He has 1000s

Phil

It was in a Tournament of Champions - (James) Emory Chapman was ex AAU and GG winner of course.

[quote="KOJOE90"]What happened to John Tate? Simple drugs. :cry: [/quote][/quote]

He had a GLASS CHIN.

ah you mean that fella andy foster. yes i use him as well, great guy.

never seen that fight in his catalogue(which is near impossible to get through).

have you any other tate fights from his of good quality. i got the kallie knoetzee from him in cool quality.

do you have his email address phil? i want him to send me them pics of him and alex garcia in new york!

Don't think he's converted yet!!!

Not sure it WAS him mind you....

I've used "Blood, Sweat & Tears" and "fightlist" in addition to Andy....and your right, a terrific bloke to buy from.

Phil

Lickszz wrote:
He had a GLASS CHIN.

it never ceases to amaze me how posters with no knowledge of a fighter will still attempt to participate in threads about them, and in lickzzz case here try summarize a mans whole career with misinformed nonsense liek this.

he got KOd by mike weaver, a BIG puncher, with a THUNDEROUS left hook that would knocked out just about any heavyweight.

to win the title he beat a very heavy puncher in gerrie coetzee, with no trouble. on the way up he KOd another heavy puncher, bernardo mercado.

please explain to me how tate had a glass chin, or was it just a stupid post you didn't bother thinking out?

I remember reading an article when Bernardo Mercado was active on who were the biggest punchers of that time. Mentioned were, Jeff Merritt, Earnie Shavers, Jeff Sims, Mike Weaver and Bernardo Mercado.

John Tate was indeed a big talent who grew up desepratly poor
and fell victim to the good life once he got near the top of the heavyweight division..It's like the old Marvin Hagler quote about how its hard to get up and do roadwork at 4:30 AM when you're sleeping in silk pajamas

It's the classic sad boxing story Partying,women, money probs all contributed to Big Johns' downfall..

Big John was illiterate and unsophisticated so he was an easy mark for all the sharks and fake friends out there...

phil wrote:I obtained it from a bloke in Bury!

He has 1000s

Phil

It was in a Tournament of Champions - (James) Emory Chapman was ex AAU and GG winner of course.

WOW! I'M FROM BURY!

Who was it?

riddick i thought u were from manchester?

anyway this guy andy from bury is a super nice guy but his catalogue is immense and unorganised, and the quality of his fights from the US from the 70s/80s is shockingly bad.

he also has great quality fights from sky for the past decade but as for his fights from the US, noother trader in the world with any standards would sell them. i'd be embarrassed to sell fights that bad quality and i'm a tape trader (and an honest one at that!)

[quote="overhand_right"][quote="Lickszz"]

He had a GLASS CHIN.[/quote]


it never ceases to amaze me how posters with no knowledge of a fighter will still attempt to participate in threads about them, and in lickzzz case here try summarize a mans whole career with misinformed nonsense liek this.

he got KOd by mike weaver, a BIG puncher, with a THUNDEROUS left hook that would knocked out just about any heavyweight.

to win the title he beat a very heavy puncher in gerrie coetzee, with no trouble. on the way up he KOd [i]another[/i] heavy puncher, bernardo mercado.

please explain to me how tate had a glass chin, or was it just a stupid post you didn't bother thinking out?[/quote]

I think what you ought to be saying is that to win the title he took the easy route and won a VACANT championship. Hoqw many times did he defend it? The fact of the matter is that When limited Weaver hit him, Tate went down like a sack of spuds and would have been down for about 5 minutes if he hadn't been picked up off the floor. Just because a guy has a big punch doesn't mean that he has the ability to find that punch. Looking on Tates record I am NOT impressed.

since you obviously haven't seen the fight let me tell u, and im sure anybody who has seent he fight will back me up, the left hook weaver threw was CRUSHING.

add that to the fact weaver already was a big puncher.

tate had a good chin. take out that one punch and what else is there? his only other KO loss was when berbick hit him in the back of the head.

like i say, big john beat several big punchers, what the hell is your beef?

something about your name, writing style and lack of boxing knowledge tells me your a tysonite. come clean, tysons your favorite fighter isn't he?

I remember watching the Tate-Weaver fight on live TV. Tate easily outboxed the powerfull Weaver the whole fight and he took some of Weaver's best shots. Just moments away from victory BOOM. That punch would have KOed just about anybody. What made the punch even more effective is that Tate never saw it coming.

Give Tate some credit. Sure he was not the best heavyweight title holder ever. But he was nowhere near the worst either.

[quote="overhand_right"]since you obviously haven't seen the fight let me tell u, and im sure anybody who has seent he fight will back me up, the left hook weaver threw was CRUSHING.

add that to the fact weaver already was a big puncher.

tate had a good chin. take out that one punch and what else is there? his only other KO loss was when berbick hit him in the back of the head.

like i say, big john beat several big punchers, what the hell is your beef?

something about your name, writing style and lack of boxing knowledge tells me your a tysonite. come clean, tysons your favorite fighter isn't he?[/quote]

Something about your name tells me your the same guy who's been laughed off every other forum. More recently Eastside.

You failed to answer which "Big Punchers" Big John beat that was actually any good and when I say good I meant championship material. Tate, was a fighter with decent boxing skills but seriously lacked power himself and had a glass chin. Weaver chinned him and he was unconscious. Weaver had a fair KO record but nothing spectacular.

"laughed off every other forum"?

you mean how i got banned from the moronic eastside.com becuase i dont love the klitschko brothers?

i have already named the punchers john tate beat twice if you bothered to read my posts you retard. gerrie coetzee, a big puncher who was champ, bernardo mercado who KOd earnie shavers, kallie knoetzee could punch. tate was beating weaver easily for 14 1/2 rds.

tate did not have a glass chin. that is just an uneducated opinion.

and i notice you didnt respond to my tyson query.

come clean, you're a big fan aren't you.

I have to stick up for Andy

Yes, some fights aren't great but he is very very quick and very good value.

I've bought a lot from him and have a great collection of fights - not all great quality (I'm happy with the vast majority - how picky do you want to be?) but if it's the fight you're after, then I'd recommend him.

he will confirm if the quality isn't that great if you ask - you can't ask for more than that

Phil

oh dont get me wrong, like i said his fights off british tv from the past decade are 90% perfect.

the US broadcast fights however, particularly from the 70s and 80s.... the less said the better.

super nice guy though. still need to get his email, i had it a while ago but lost it! grrr

[quote="overhand_right"]"laughed off every other forum"?

you mean how i got banned from the moronic eastside.com becuase i dont love the klitschko brothers?

i have already named the punchers john tate beat [b]twice[/b] if you bothered to read my posts you retard. gerrie coetzee, a big puncher who was champ, bernardo mercado who KOd earnie shavers, kallie knoetzee could punch. tate was beating weaver easily for 14 1/2 rds.

tate did not have a glass chin. that is just an uneducated opinion.

and i notice you didnt respond to my tyson query.

come clean, you're a big fan aren't you.[/quote]

I didn't respond to your Tyson query because it was just pathetic. Why would you assume such a thing? If you are going to assume such a thing, at least provide some evidence where I have even mentioned Tyson in such a biased fashion! You should read my posts again, unless you intended to ignore what I said that is. Nevemrind, I shall repeat. I said name some punchers that were acutally ANYGOOD, IE Championship material. Shavers was noted or his punch but not his chin! Coetzee was not Championship material imo, Just because someone manages to get a belt doesn't mean he deserves it. The funny thing is I don't love the Klitschko brothers and I haven't been banned from Eastside. Perhaps your in denial for the real reason you got banned, oh well.

looooool! once again he skirts round the issue. i'll take that as a yes!

[quote="overhand_right"]looooool! once again he skirts round the issue. i'll take that as a yes![/quote]

What issues did I skirt around? I presume you can only mean this Tyson rubbish.....ok, to put it bluntly NO, I am no fan of Tyson's and I never have been. Although I like many fighters there is only a couple of boxers that I would call myself a fan of and unfortunately they have all retired a long time ago. I could mentioned the stuff that you elected to avoid but I have no need because everybody knows I was right first time.