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Posted: **24 Feb 2008, 10:05**

who watched it last night and what did you think? i thought it was similar to the one PBS did except for covering the later part of louis' life. jesus that man could punch.

Posted: **24 Feb 2008, 13:54**

i was especially interested in the sad days stuff. seen the prime-time louis too many times i guess. i cant remember what biography i bought about 10 years ago, but it talked in depth about his depression and mental illness. where he would take mayonnaise and fill in the cracks in the wall and ceiling to stop the fumes etc.
felt like the show could have been longer. didn't time out much longer than 1h5 15-20 minutes.

Posted: **24 Feb 2008, 16:05**

Nothing really new. Some film footage I haven't seen. As time goes on it's harder and harder to find anyone that knew him close personally . Periphery people. Even his son didn't know him much. However,I hope young people,who never heard of Joe Louis, will watch this and not only learn something about a great heavyweight champion,but learn something about history. Today,a young person's frame of reference and who they recognize as being important is scary.

Posted: **24 Feb 2008, 16:21**

dagosd2000 wrote: Today,a young person's frame of reference and who they recognize as being important is scary.

Posted: **24 Feb 2008, 18:38**

granberry wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote: Today,a young person's frame of reference and who they recognize as being important is scary.

It's always been that way, very few young people are knowledgable in general about the past, and that's been a constant throughout the entire history of man. With boxing it's largely apparent though because nowadays boxing is more a fringe sport while back in Louis' day EVERYONE knew who Joe Louis was and found out everything about his opponents, but I doubt most people really cared about someone like Jeffries aside from those that were around during that particular time.

Posted: **24 Feb 2008, 18:43**

Diamond WEAPON wrote:but I doubt most people really cared about someone like Jeffries aside from those that were around during that particular time.

You are dead wrong.

.

Posted: **24 Feb 2008, 18:46**

I care.

But in the general public. there knowledge of boxing is
limited to what the generic media covers.

And sadly that is often more modern events or when a
former great or contender passes away or is in jail for
some thing.

I have friends who consider themesleves boxing fans
but they would know nothing about off or about a legend
like James J Jefferies.

Kym

Posted: **24 Feb 2008, 19:03**

granberry wrote:
Diamond WEAPON wrote:but I doubt most people really cared about someone like Jeffries aside from those that were around during that particular time.
You are dead wrong.

.

So 20-something boxing fans in the 40's knew all about Jeffries and thought he was amazing? Sure...

They probably barely remembered Dempsey much less anyone he beat and only remembered Johnson likely because he was black and hated.

Posted: **24 Feb 2008, 19:14**

"It's always been that way, very few young people are knowledgable in general about the past, and that's been a constant throughout the entire history of man. With boxing it's largely apparent though because nowadays boxing is more a fringe sport while back in Louis' day EVERYONE knew who Joe Louis was and found out everything about his opponents, but I doubt most people really cared about someone like Jeffries aside from those that were around during that particular time." - WEAPON

Agreed. I'd be frankly stunned if sixteen years olds in 1945 were any less ignorant, petulant, or better-informed than sixteen year olds are today. They are in that stage where they know fairly little (often times nothing at all) but are convinced they know it all. I don't think that changes from era-to-era.

Posted: **24 Feb 2008, 19:20**

These days younger people have sooo much more information and mediums to discover the past greats with.

How easy has youTube and the net made finding old fights.

Just in the last ten years it has made my passion soooo much easy to
satisfy.

Ignorance is just that, people with there heads up there own asses
exist all over and in every generation. The worse part is when people have absoulte opinions that such and such is the best, without every even glimpsing or aknowledging the existence of others.

Posted: **24 Feb 2008, 19:21**

I thought it was disappointing. I didn't really learn anything from it, it was more or less a typical bio of Louis. Even the parts about his later years were not anything new, except for the part about his son hospitalizing him which I didn't know about. Oh, and he slept with white women... big revelation lol

Still, not too bad. It was better than the Klitschko fight.

Posted: **24 Feb 2008, 19:22**

Diamond WEAPON wrote:
granberry wrote:
Diamond WEAPON wrote:but I doubt most people really cared about someone like Jeffries aside from those that were around during that particular time.
You are dead wrong.

.
So 20-something boxing fans in the 40's knew all about Jeffries and thought he was amazing? Sure...

They probably barely remembered Dempsey much less anyone he beat and only remembered Johnson likely because he was black and hated.

Further cluelessness.

If you are proud you are clueless that is your right,

but for you to demand that others in other times were as clueless as you are is offensive.

There was no Ken Burns with his crap at that time to indoctrinate people like you have been indoctrinated

and there was no political correctness at that time

and no one gave a sh*t about Johnson.

Jeffries was still well known, as any periodical of the time shows,

and your outright stupidity re how Dempsey was known at that time is as pathetic as anything I have seen on any of these clueless internet sites.

Posted: **24 Feb 2008, 19:38**

granberry wrote:
Diamond WEAPON wrote:
granberry wrote: You are dead wrong.

.
So 20-something boxing fans in the 40's knew all about Jeffries and thought he was amazing? Sure...

They probably barely remembered Dempsey much less anyone he beat and only remembered Johnson likely because he was black and hated.
Further cluelessness.

If you are proud you are clueless that is your right,

but for you to demand that others in other times were as clueless as you are is offensive.

There was no Ken Burns with his crap at that time to indoctrinate people like you have been indoctrinated

and there was no political correctness at that time

and no one gave a sh*t about Johnson.

Jeffries was still well known, as any periodical of the time shows,

and your outright stupidity re how Dempsey was known at that time is as pathetic as anything I have seen on any of these clueless internet sites.

I'm not clueless you jackass, I know a good amount about boxing history. What I'm arguing is that this generation isn't that much more clueless about boxing history in general as back in those days, relatively. The general public back then probably did know a bit more about boxing history than nowadays now that it's a fringe sport. BTW, the very fact that you say nobody gave a shit about Johnson was EXACTLY what I was talking about. Young people in Louis time DID NOT know much about Johnson just like young people today in the general public don't know much or care much about more recent champions.

But as far as general knowledge goes, I'd say it's all equal, people have very short memories and always have. Acting like people in the 20's were all fuckin historical scholars compared to people today is in itself ignorant.

And what the fornicate have I been indoctrinated with? All I'm saying is that most people are generally ignorant about the world around them and that it's always been that way. In the 20's and 30's and 40's there certainly wasn't some total awareness by the American people that they knew EVERYTHING that was going on. They didn't even know how big a threat Hitler was and regarded him as some joke who wasn't that big a deal until he actually started invading places. Which itself is equatable to people nowadays not realizing that Al Qaeda doesn't equal Iraq. To have some sort of generational bias as if people from those days are so much smarter and more aware than people are nowadays is fundamentally wrong and prejudiced. Hell people even further back used to think that the world was the center of the universe, it was square, and thought that The Bahamus was India, that type of indoctrinated ignorance is just as bad if not worse than people not being aware of shit today too.

Don't be offended by the fact that I don't bow down to the idea that the Baby Boomers and the generations preceeding them are so great and superior, they're absolutely not, and were in themselves filled with stupidity as well. Most people are dumb/ignorant, and across generations the number of dumb/ignorant people is pretty constant. I'm sure when you grew up there plenty of people who you'd converse with that you KNEW you were smarter than and made you feel a little bit sorry for the human race because they weren't as aware as you.

Posted: **24 Feb 2008, 20:49**

Diamond WEAPON wrote:
granberry wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote: Today,a young person's frame of reference and who they recognize as being important is scary.
It's always been that way, very few young people are knowledgable in general about the past, and that's been a constant throughout the entire history of man. With boxing it's largely apparent though because nowadays boxing is more a fringe sport while back in Louis' day EVERYONE knew who Joe Louis was and found out everything about his opponents, but I doubt most people really cared about someone like Jeffries aside from those that were around during that particular time.

DW,Here's the point I'm trying to make. First of all I don't know how old you are. I'm 61. I teach kids that are 14 and 15 years of age. I knew who John L. Sullivan was, as far as boxing went when I was that age.

I can guarantee you the kids in my class don't know who Joe Louis was because during the week of Black History Month I put on a video of his life because out of 160 kids that I have,they've never heard of him. Not even the black kids. They ask me questions like what kind of jets did they have in the Civil War? Or even worse,who won?

At the start of each school year,I ask these 160 kids who the Vice President of the United States is? This year I had a record. 6 knew the answer. Here's the real sad part. They don't care if they don't know.

Instead of people being called to jury duty,they ought to spend a day at a public middle school. Peace Bro.

Posted: **24 Feb 2008, 21:56**

dagosd2000 wrote:
Diamond WEAPON wrote:
granberry wrote:
It's always been that way, very few young people are knowledgable in general about the past, and that's been a constant throughout the entire history of man. With boxing it's largely apparent though because nowadays boxing is more a fringe sport while back in Louis' day EVERYONE knew who Joe Louis was and found out everything about his opponents, but I doubt most people really cared about someone like Jeffries aside from those that were around during that particular time.

DW,Here's the point I'm trying to make. First of all I don't know how old you are. I'm 61. I teach kids that are 14 and 15 years of age. I knew who John L. Sullivan was, as far as boxing went when I was that age.

I can guarantee you the kids in my class don't know who Joe Louis was because during the week of Black History Month I put on a video of his life because out of 160 kids that I have,they've never heard of him. Not even the black kids. They ask me questions like what kind of jets did they have in the Civil War? Or even worse,who won?

At the start of each school year,I ask these 160 kids who the Vice President of the United States is? This year I had a record. 6 knew the answer. Here's the real sad part. They don't care if they don't know.

Instead of people being called to jury duty,they ought to spend a day at a public middle school. Peace Bro.

Mate, that must be a school for the very intellectually challenged.

Mind you, didn't George W Bush think a brazilian was a number? Or was that Dan Quayle?

Posted: **24 Feb 2008, 22:28**

Wow

that is scarey.

Posted: **24 Feb 2008, 22:33**

Collins2000 wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:
Diamond WEAPON wrote: It's always been that way, very few young people are knowledgable in general about the past, and that's been a constant throughout the entire history of man. With boxing it's largely apparent though because nowadays boxing is more a fringe sport while back in Louis' day EVERYONE knew who Joe Louis was and found out everything about his opponents, but I doubt most people really cared about someone like Jeffries aside from those that were around during that particular time.

DW,Here's the point I'm trying to make. First of all I don't know how old you are. I'm 61. I teach kids that are 14 and 15 years of age. I knew who John L. Sullivan was, as far as boxing went when I was that age.

I can guarantee you the kids in my class don't know who Joe Louis was because during the week of Black History Month I put on a video of his life because out of 160 kids that I have,they've never heard of him. Not even the black kids. They ask me questions like what kind of jets did they have in the Civil War? Or even worse,who won?

At the start of each school year,I ask these 160 kids who the Vice President of the United States is? This year I had a record. 6 knew the answer. Here's the real sad part. They don't care if they don't know.

Instead of people being called to jury duty,they ought to spend a day at a public middle school. Peace Bro.

Mate, that must be a school for the very intellectually challenged.

Mind you, didn't George W Bush think a brazilian was a number? Or was that Dan Quayle?

Collins,Bush,the son,didn't know what a Shiite or a Sunni Muslim was when he took office.

My school is not an exception. In San Diego County(population more than 2 million),there are roughly 60 highschools. Only 20 percent have reached a score that will accredit them when the "No Child Left Behind" program is evaluated in 2014. Most of that 80 percent won't pass. My motto:Turn off the TV!

Posted: **24 Feb 2008, 23:11**

Collins,Bush,the son,didn't know what a Shiite or a Sunni Muslim was when he took office.

Cut the leftwing crap, dagos.

The "source" of that crap is rabid leftwinger Peter Galbraith, a longtime Clinton operative connected with Georgetown U in Washington DC, which is bankrolled by the Saudis.

"Quoting" crap from an operative like Galbraith is the same as quoting crap on Ali from operatives like Thomas Hauser or Howard Bingham.

Posted: **24 Feb 2008, 23:42**

granberry wrote:Collins,Bush,the son,didn't know what a Shiite or a Sunni Muslim was when he took office.

Cut the leftwing crap, dagos.

The "source" of that crap is rabid leftwinger Peter Galbraith, a longtime Clinton operative connected with Georgetown U in Washington DC, which is bankrolled by the Saudis.

"Quoting" crap from an operative like Galbraith is the same as quoting crap on Ali from operatives like Thomas Hauser or Howard Bingham.

I didn't know he was the source of that story. I'm not a fan of Galbraith

Posted: **25 Feb 2008, 00:15**

dagosd2000 wrote:
Collins2000 wrote:
dagosd2000 wrote:
DW,Here's the point I'm trying to make. First of all I don't know how old you are. I'm 61. I teach kids that are 14 and 15 years of age. I knew who John L. Sullivan was, as far as boxing went when I was that age.

I can guarantee you the kids in my class don't know who Joe Louis was because during the week of Black History Month I put on a video of his life because out of 160 kids that I have,they've never heard of him. Not even the black kids. They ask me questions like what kind of jets did they have in the Civil War? Or even worse,who won?

At the start of each school year,I ask these 160 kids who the Vice President of the United States is? This year I had a record. 6 knew the answer. Here's the real sad part. They don't care if they don't know.

Instead of people being called to jury duty,they ought to spend a day at a public middle school. Peace Bro.

Mate, that must be a school for the very intellectually challenged.

Mind you, didn't George W Bush think a brazilian was a number? Or was that Dan Quayle?

Collins,Bush,the son,didn't know what a Shiite or a Sunni Muslim was when he took office.

My school is not an exception. In San Diego County(population more than 2 million),there are roughly 60 highschools. Only 20 percent have reached a score that will accredit them when the "No Child Left Behind" program is evaluated in 2014. Most of that 80 percent won't pass. My motto:Turn off the TV!

TV isn't he problem, the education system is the biggest problem, along with parents who don't give a shit. Lots of parents don't really take an interest in their child or their education, so they're often free to walk around ignorant. I think the modern education system is really archaic and ill-equipped to actually teach children in the modern world where going to College is a total necessity rather than a luxury. The way children are taught really hasn't changed much since the start of post-industrialism and the child labor laws. It's not just one thing either, it's a combination of problems in Education that lead modern children to be ill-equipped for their post-High School lives. It's a very complex problem. My only issue has been with older people being prejudiced toward younger people, things like that really infuriate me because I don't like the idea that somebody might think I have an inferior mind simply because I'm young, along with the fact that as a young person i've seen plenty of foolish people like you described but I've also met people around my age and younger that have been bright and well aware also.

Posted: **25 Feb 2008, 00:26**

You have to get a license to drive a car, you need to register your pet...but any one can have a child and are expected to nurture them to adulthood.

The trouble is, alot of the 'parents' are either children themselves or worse.

Posted: **25 Feb 2008, 00:38**

I'd have to concur with the idea that because boxing is less popular today (thanks in large part to Heavyweight fights like the one we saw last night), and because kids seem to have less of an idea about history in general (let alone sports history) that its not really surprising that Louis is less well known.

I remember when I was a kid, at around 11 or 12 years old, that I became aware of Louis from reading about Rocky Marciano, who I was interested in being that I'm Italian. From there I started to learn about Louis' own career, and I eventually got to see clips of his fights, which I enjoyed watching quite a bit, and when I did get to see his fight with Marciano I had come to like Louis so much that I was repulsed by the fight, and had come to think that Louis could have beaten Rocky if he had been younger; which I still believe. But I think few kids of that age, particularly today, are going to be all that interested in sports history, and boxing history in particular.

Posted: **25 Feb 2008, 15:05**

I didn't think it was that good.......

Posted: **26 Feb 2008, 13:23**

dagosd2000 wrote:Today,a young person's frame of reference and who they recognize as being important is scary.

Teens losing touch with common cultural and historical references
By Greg Toppo USA TODAY 2 26 2008

http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/ne ... 26.art.htm

Posted: **26 Feb 2008, 14:43**

dagosd2000 wrote: Today,a young person's frame of reference and who they recognize as being important is scary.

Gandhi, Churchill 'myth', Sherlock real for Britons
ExpressIndia.com 2 26 2008

http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news ... gt/268868/

Mahatma Gandhi never existed while Britain's wartime Prime Minister Sir Winston Churchill was a fictional character.
...

According to a survey carried out in Britain, many believe that Mahatma Gandhi and Churchill are just mythical figures ...

In fact, almost a quarter of the population have the popular notion that Churchill, "the greatest Briton of all time", was made up.

...

In contrast, a number of fictitious characters like Sherlock Holmes, King Arthur and Eleanor Rigby were given real life status.

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