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boxerbob wrote:who would win???

i think whitaker jab is the key....whitaker is better defensivley too

whitaker wide on points for me

116-112 to best pure boxer for the last 20 years

Those who argue that Mayweather is boxing’s best all-around fighter point to his dominance over his opposition. Few fighters have ever been as statistically superior to his opponents than Mayweather, who rarely loses rounds, much less fights. A recent CompuBox analysis determined that the “Pretty Boy” leads the sport in “plus-minus” rating – and not by a little. The “plus-minus” is the difference between a fighter’s average connect percentage and that of his opponents, and Mayweather’s plus-30 (46 percent to 16 percent) is seven percentage points ahead of his closest competition, Juan Diaz, who owns a plus-23.

Mayweather’s rating compares favorably to the prime Roy Jones (plus-23) and Pernell Whitaker (plus-16). For the record, Hatton’s rating is a plus-five (34 percent to 29 percent), which is tied for 16th with Jones, Bernard Hopkins, Joe Calzaghe and Juan Manuel Marquez.

Diamond WEAPON wrote:

boxerbob wrote:who would win???

i think whitaker jab is the key....whitaker is better defensivley too

whitaker wide on points for me

116-112 to best pure boxer for the last 20 years

Actually, compubox disproves that... Mayweather has the highest ratio of his own connects vs. opponent connects in the history of the Compubox system...

As per this article: http://www.BS.com/?m=show&id=11566

Those who argue that Mayweather is boxing’s best all-around fighter point to his dominance over his opposition. Few fighters have ever been as statistically superior to his opponents than Mayweather, who rarely loses rounds, much less fights. A recent CompuBox analysis determined that the “Pretty Boy” leads the sport in “plus-minus” rating – and not by a little. The “plus-minus” is the difference between a fighter’s average connect percentage and that of his opponents, and Mayweather’s plus-30 (46 percent to 16 percent) is seven percentage points ahead of his closest competition, Juan Diaz, who owns a plus-23.

Mayweather’s rating compares favorably to the prime Roy Jones (plus-23) and Pernell Whitaker (plus-16). For the record, Hatton’s rating is a plus-five (34 percent to 29 percent), which is tied for 16th with Jones, Bernard Hopkins, Joe Calzaghe and Juan Manuel Marquez.

But anyway, despite the fact that Mayweather's got a statistically proven better ratio of defense vs. offense I have noticed that Mayweather has a little trouble versus southpaws because of the opposite angles. Zab Judah showed us that to a certain extent. Thus, I think Sweet Pea's inherent trickiness combined with his being a southpaw would allow him to score a pretty close decision over Floyd.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:

Diamond WEAPON wrote:

boxerbob wrote:who would win???

i think whitaker jab is the key....whitaker is better defensivley too

whitaker wide on points for me

116-112 to best pure boxer for the last 20 years

Actually, compubox disproves that... Mayweather has the highest ratio of his own connects vs. opponent connects in the history of the Compubox system...

As per this article: http://www.BS.com/?m=show&id=11566

Those who argue that Mayweather is boxing’s best all-around fighter point to his dominance over his opposition. Few fighters have ever been as statistically superior to his opponents than Mayweather, who rarely loses rounds, much less fights. A recent CompuBox analysis determined that the “Pretty Boy” leads the sport in “plus-minus” rating – and not by a little. The “plus-minus” is the difference between a fighter’s average connect percentage and that of his opponents, and Mayweather’s plus-30 (46 percent to 16 percent) is seven percentage points ahead of his closest competition, Juan Diaz, who owns a plus-23.

Mayweather’s rating compares favorably to the prime Roy Jones (plus-23) and Pernell Whitaker (plus-16). For the record, Hatton’s rating is a plus-five (34 percent to 29 percent), which is tied for 16th with Jones, Bernard Hopkins, Joe Calzaghe and Juan Manuel Marquez.

But anyway, despite the fact that Mayweather's got a statistically proven better ratio of defense vs. offense I have noticed that Mayweather has a little trouble versus southpaws because of the opposite angles. Zab Judah showed us that to a certain extent. Thus, I think Sweet Pea's inherent trickiness combined with his being a southpaw would allow him to score a pretty close decision over Floyd.

Compubox does not --- & cannot --- prove or disprove anything. What the numbers show is that Mayweather is a better defensive fighter against his competition, not against Whitaker's (superior) competition. Further, Whitaker didn't hang up the gloves until he was pushing forty. Mayweather's only turning thirty-one later this year (if he hasn't already).

This is without addressing Compubox's questionable record of distinguishing clean punches from partial lands. Systems & numbers like that will never tell the full story of boxing.

Goodnight, Irene wrote:Well, that's quite a bit more impressive, but I'm still not sure I buy it's validity...so many intangibles a computer can't examine, & again, Compubox isn't terribly reliable (though, given the margin of error here, I'd say it's safe to say Mayweather gets hit less, though his competition has been inferior).

One question, Weapon --- who decides the, "prime" years for both men? Which years were used? I ask since a fighters' prime is opinion as much as it is fact.