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Just finished watching Peter-Maskaev.

Can't help thinking Peter would be a good opponent for Haye in a few fight's time.

Peter has "skilled up" but the results are far from impressive. Last Sat he took jabs and rights from Maskaev in their moderately exciting WBC title fight. He wasn't as dominant as ppl thought he would be, in spite of a nice reach advantage.

After throwing 1 flurry in about round 2 or 3, he had punched himself out.


Haye is obviously a lot more talented than Peter. He could beat him to the jab without a doubt. Peter isn't that tall. Also, if Peter misses a right hand, he is very open to a left hook. I think Maccarinelli is a better crasftman than Peter, though Samuel has a hard head and a big punch. Speed would be the key for Haye & if he enhances his power/workrate moving up he could win that one.

On the other hand, Vitali is due a title shot & that could be an obstacle. I reckon Peter-Vitali happens and that Vitali loses/retires through injury after dominating the early going.

Peter's stamina is absolutely shocking, it seems to get worse in every fight! I think Haye could beat him within 4 fights at HW provided two things happen:

a) David doesn't get tied up with Peter (he's a notorious rabbit puncher), and is pretty useful on the inside

b) He jabs him at distance (he has a 5 inch reach advantage and his reflexes in that fight would be like RJJ versus Butterbean)

Klitschko beat him convincingly with a similar tactic.

I agree with what you say, I suppose the only thing for David is one punch from Peter and its over. Peter managed to land on Klitchko, albeit not quite flush, so at some point I think he'll land on Haye, at that point we'll see if Haye has a heavyweight chin because Peter is probably the hardest one shot puncher in the division.

Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:
Klitschko beat him convincingly with a similar tactic.

he didnt though mate, with the knockdowns Im sure Klit only won by a round or two. And Klit didnt budge Peter once until the 12th, when he shook him to the soles of his boots.

Wales wrote:

Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:
Klitschko beat him convincingly with a similar tactic.

he didnt though mate, with the knockdowns Im sure Klit only won by a round or two. And Klit didnt budge Peter once until the 12th, when he shook him to the soles of his boots.

I need to watch the fight tonight again mate. I thought it was at least 5 rounds.

I didn't mention about Haye's left low (I figured that's the case with every Haye fight now )

Haye can beat Peter but the size of Peter could be a test for Haye's durability. If Peter can absorb Haye's early work and he keeps coming how will Haye react?

Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:

Wales wrote:

Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:
Klitschko beat him convincingly with a similar tactic.

he didnt though mate, with the knockdowns Im sure Klit only won by a round or two. And Klit didnt budge Peter once until the 12th, when he shook him to the soles of his boots.

I need to watch the fight tonight again mate. I thought it was at least 5 rounds.

I didn't mention about Haye's left low (I figured that's the case with every Haye fight now )

I thinkPeter won about 3-4 rounds, which would bring it to a 1-2point gap.

Wlad was scared to put anything offense on Peter, so maybe Wkad would have hurt Peter if he took more risks. Haye would take the risks and may ko Peter.

Wlad really shook him badly late on, but Peter is a different ball game to 200lbers. A huge puncher with a thick neck and head like concrete block. A risky fight for Haye.

I think if Haye manages to outbox Peter AND add some nasty power (sparingly) over the first 5, we'll see a flagging and frustrated Peter over the middle stages, which would be perfect for Haye.

Peter definitely has the heavy punch to worry Haye though.

I think Haye's positioning is underrated. Last Sat, when Mac through body shots, Haye was in just the right place, and had his arm down, so that the shots were really going on the back of his arm. Good, subtle movement that leaves him in place to drop a bomb and minimise what's coming at him.


Obviously, Haye has to take a few learning fights first. Hopefully Haye gets some heavyweight foes that will take him rounds, first.

Skelton would bea good start

Would be effing great if Haye manages to win one of the heavyweight belts.

I think in theory Haye could beat anyone at Heavyweight because of his speed, accuracy and apparent power.

All providing he doesn't get chinned first.

Goz wrote:I think in theory Haye could beat anyone at Heavyweight because of his speed, accuracy and apparent power.

All providing he doesn't get chinned first.

Amen to that, and like the Klitschko v Peter fight, I'd probably have to watch Haye v Peter with my hands over my eyes, waiting for him to get knocked out...

He would beat Peter with one-arm tied behind his back if his chin were to hold out.

Did anyone watch the thompson fight again? Haye got caught flush by Thompson when he had NOTHING left and stayed up. It was pure fatigue that got him stopped. His legs were all over the place ALL through the 5th and he finished on his feet.

Although he is definitely susceptible to temple shots, I honestly think that Haye will be able to take shots at heavy, provided they're not flush hail maries - and I think his defence will be just good enough not to get nailed by the bigger shots.

I don't think it'll be a case of one jab from Wlad and he's gone.

He was down Vs Mormeck too though.

One thing that will always work in Haye's favour is the fact that the cruiserweights are better fighters than the heavyweights. Bigger doesn't mean better and it definitely doesn't apply as far as cruisers and heavies. Cruisers are in shape, fit, quick, and, at 200 lbs, are still big enough to knock each other out with one shot. Save for the Klitschkos, heavyweights are out-of-shape, slow and generally poor in terms of technical ability.

Sam Peter is league's below Haye in terms of ability. He's fat, fairly heavy-handed (hardly Earnie Shavers, though, is he?), and will keep plodding at you all night long. That's pretty much what makes him dangerous.

IMO Peters chin has shown some weakness in his last fights. McCline had him down, and Maskaev wobbled him a bit. Definitely not out of the question for Haye to do the same.

Floyd wrote:IMO Peters chin has shown some weakness in his last fights. McCline had him down, and Maskaev wobbled him a bit. Definitely not out of the question for Haye to do the same.

Yep, as we all know, SPEED KILLS....
Its the shots you dont see, or expect that hurt you....

I agree with Goz that Haye is capable of beating any heavyweight.... but he may get caught along the way too.... fighting those heavyweights though, the punches will be coming in slow motion

Captain Hook wrote:

Goz wrote:I think in theory Haye could beat anyone at Heavyweight because of his speed, accuracy and apparent power.

All providing he doesn't get chinned first.

Amen to that, and like the Klitschko v Peter fight, I'd probably have to watch Haye v Peter with my hands over my eyes, waiting for him to get knocked out...
He would beat Peter with one-arm tied behind his back if his chin were to hold out.

I think that's the attraction of watching Haye. He's always courting danger (or appears to be).

At risk of sounding like a fool, i think people are gettin slightly carried away regarding Haye as a HW. IMO he does not deserve to jump in at title level & has to establish himself first.

Yes he is talented & yes he is open to a big shot.

Lets no build the lad up too much & it all comes shattering down!!

Remember Audley???????

I think should the fight happen in the next 12/18 months Peter KO's Haye convincingly!!!!

When I started the thread I had it in mind that Haye would have to have a few to get used to the weight, and the heavier opposition (though I didn't state so on this thread). In BN it says he wants to test himself fighting 210+, 220 and 230-pounds.

I wonder how many fights he has left in his career, if he will retire in the next couple of years? He already beat the WBC#12 so he has a head start.

I just think Peter could be ready-made. Haye has some pedigree. He's The Man at cruiser, was a decorated ama, can KO early or late, & has the biggest cruiserweight punch I've seen. So IMO this bodes well at heavyweight. Looking at the Peter-Maskaev today, which was fought on the same day as Haye-Macca, I couldn't help but compare the 2 winners...

Autobarn wrote:Would be effing great if Haye manages to win one of the heavyweight belts.

Most definately! Ok, so the HW division may be at it's weakest in history, certainly one of the weakest periods in it's history, but that should not take anything away from Haye if he were to secure the HW title.

It would be a fantastic achievement, one that would/should go down in history. If Haye does indeed become HW champion, will people try to play it down by highlighting the weakenss of the HW division?

Haye can go all the way in the HW division in my opinion! Time will tell!

Max Molyneux wrote:He was down Vs Mormeck too though.

Doesn't matter how many times you go down, it'a about how many times you get up and fight on.

Haye, for all his "chin problems" has yet to be knocked out by a single shot. Far from it infact.

As mentioned above, he punched himself out against the Cat and the towel came in when he was still on his feet with nothing left in the tank.

Look at Cotto when he was a light welter, losing loads of weight to make the limit...he looked vulnerable at times.
Now look at the Welter version. He look's stronger, fitter and a damn sight more healthy. Maybe the same will happen with Haye?

As for Peter, he is the most beatable of all the Champions right now.
I could envisage Haye stopping him.

People talk about his big, solid concrete head and thick neck...just makes for an even bigger target lads

If McCline wasn't a steroid abusing, over-sized stamina lacking, gun shy past it SUPER Heavyweight, he would have stopped him easily in their fight.

I suspect that old man Vitali will be the first to achieve this "honour" if they do end up fighting and Vitali isn't way past it.

The stage is then set for Haye to knock VITALI spark out

I think Vitali's body may break down if he starts training for Peter. If not, it could well happen during the fight.

WBC is a good route. Technically Haye should be around WBC #12 for stopping Bonin. It won't take him long to get ranked. He could fight a tricky guy like JC Gomez which could set up a title shot. Gomez is also marketable on the subplot that they're both probably the #2 and #3 AT best cruiserweights.

Gomez's WBC elim seems to be in some doubt now. Is his career stalling a bit? Will his very interesting promoter Arena Box perhaps want to put him in with a "big marketable name" like Haye to get himself some more publicity for his stable?

First though, I'd like to see a Rahman style opponent, then a young fighter of average skill/decent ambition like Chazz Spoon or Chris Arreola. Just for the competitve side of things.

Rahman for me every time and twice on Sunday's. I watched the Lawrence fight (did you get to see it over here?), and considering Zuri only had a weeks training he made it a close fight until he got stopped.

Plus he's still a respected name in the US.

Hasim is done.