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Really good show last night, anyone else tune in??

They interviewed Hatton and brought up the Witter subject, basically he's got no intentions at all of fighting Junior. When he was asked whether Junior was in his immediate plans he said

"No, we've been looking at Torres, Mallignaggi [long list of names with one notable exception in JW]" then he went into a rant "I've won World titles at LWW then moved up in weight and won another one, then won another 2 back at 140 and I've just fought the P4P #1, what has Junior Witter done? if both our careers were finished today I know who'd have the better legacy" [The Hatton ego has landed], then he said "I'm fighting Lazcano next who is ranked #4 by the IBO, the fight nearly happened a while ago [when JL was on a roll]" he negated to mention that since then Lazcano had lost to Harris and hadn't fought in over a year.

It's not about what Witter has done (he's done more than enough to warrant the fight and has done far more than Lazcano and Paulie), it's about what Witters willing to do and that's to give the fans what they want and fight Hatton. Ricky can't say the same!!


The interviewer brought up the comparison of Witter Vs Hatton to Eubank Vs Benn and reminded him of how he loved the fight and what an occassion it was for Britain, Hatton said somat like "Yes, but there'd only be one Eubank/Benn in the fight if he fought Witter" referring to Witters lack of recognition IMO [Eubank was pretty much unkown to the casual fan before the Benn fight"

There's no chance whatsoever of us seeing Hatton-Witter, because Hatton knows he gets ass whooped!!! what other reason could there be? (if RH thought he could beat him he would have done it by now) although Hatton did say "You never know I might wake up and decide I want to get this fight out of the way" - I'll believe it when I see it.


This is the worst example of ducking that the sport has ever witnessed, I've never felt so dis-heartened by a sportsman Keep on running Ricky!

They had a prerecorded interview with Enzo Calzaghe where Enzo went straight on the attack and had a good 5 minute rant about people writing him off after his 2 losses (not that I've heard or read). I think Booth had made some comments which irked Enzo, because he brought his name up a few times. Enzo's a proper character, albeit a slightly deranged one

Paulie Mallignaggi was interviewed, he was surprisingly respectful to everyone and said that he was looking forward to fighting at the Man City stadium and that he hoped the proposed follow-up fight against Hatton would be at Madison Square Garden.

BIG Wlad was interviewed, he said he'd never heard of Haye til about a month ago. He said he'd heard these 'sharp-shooters' mouth off before without it coming to anything and he said Haye needs to be fighting a few names before they can square off.

In a recent interview with BBC Radio 5, WBC/WBO heavyweight champion Wladimir Klitschko made it known that he is very willing to meet the challenge of WBC/WBA/WBO cruiserweight champion David Haye, who plans to make a move to heavyweight in November.

"He's an exciting fighter so why not? I hadn't heard about David Haye at all until last month," said Klitschko. "But I've checked his record and he is a good fighter with a good record. If he wants to bring excitement then I wish him best of luck. He better get himself in the gym and get ready to fight.

"He is young and is trying to put attention on himself and that may work for him because he has to be very loud, but not only with his words but with his actions. I wish him the best of luck with that."

Following his unification win over Enzo Maccarinelli, Haye blasted Klitschko's performance against Sultan Ibragimov.


Haye will have to wait, Klitschko confirmed to radio show that he planning to fight WBO mandatory Tony Thompson in Germany this summer.

"Until the fight with David Haye I have to stay active as I am nervous and I have to get myself in shape," Klitschko said. "So I am going to fight in July against Thompson - he is the WBO's number one mandatory contender so I have chosen him."

Ricky sounded like a bad car salesman. Always had a reason or excuse why Witter shouldn't get the fight.

Saying that, though, when he did mention the fact that VIVIAN HARRIS is Witter's best win it did remind me just how much Witter has been reliant on Hatton all these years. Harris was sparked by Maussa for fook's sake. What's there to boast about there?

Obviously, Hatton-Witter SHOULD still happen nonetheless - and Witter is a damn sight better than Juan Lazcano - but Junior hasn't done himself any favours all these years. I'll give Hatton that...just.

Eraserhead wrote:Ricky sounded like a bad car salesman. Always had a reason or excuse why Witter shouldn't get the fight.

Saying that, though, when he did mention the fact that VIVIAN HARRIS is Witter's best win it did remind me just how much Witter has been reliant on Hatton all these years. Harris was sparked by Maussa for fook's sake. What's there to boast about there?

Obviously, Hatton-Witter SHOULD still happen nonetheless - and Witter is a damn sight better than Juan Lazcano - but Junior hasn't done himself any favours all these years. I'll give Hatton that...just.

Corley, Lynes, Kotelnik, N'Dou and Harris ain't that bad, they're not the marquee names that are on Hattons record, but in terms of ability (at the time Hatton/Witter fought them) there's not too much between them IMO if you take out PBF who whooped him bad

Castillo very good name, but he was a battle weary boxer with discipline problems who started as a featherweight. Kostya was at the tale end of his career and had been inactive

Are wins over Urango, Collazo and Maussa better than Corley, Lynes, Kotelnik, N'Dou and Harris? not IMO.

Terry D wrote:

Chambers2 wrote:

Eraserhead wrote:Ricky sounded like a bad car salesman. Always had a reason or excuse why Witter shouldn't get the fight.

Saying that, though, when he did mention the fact that VIVIAN HARRIS is Witter's best win it did remind me just how much Witter has been reliant on Hatton all these years. Harris was sparked by Maussa for fook's sake. What's there to boast about there?

Obviously, Hatton-Witter SHOULD still happen nonetheless - and Witter is a damn sight better than Juan Lazcano - but Junior hasn't done himself any favours all these years. I'll give Hatton that...just.

Corley, Lynes, Kotelnik, N'Dou and Harris ain't that bad, they're not the marquee names that are on Hattons record, but in terms of ability (at the time Hatton/Witter fought them) there's not too much between them IMO if you take out PBF who whooped him bad

Castillo very good name, but he was a battle weary boxer with discipline problems who started as a featherweight. Kostya was at the tale end of his career and had been inactive

Are wins over Urango, Collazo and Maussa better than Corley, Lynes, Kotelnik, N'Dou and Harris? not IMO.

Anyone got any pre-Tszyu threads to throw up? I want to see how everyone in the world but me went against Kostya. As a big fan of Kostya I thought the Hatton fight would end in Tszyu's favour within a couple of rounds. Hatton caught by the right on the way in and with the left on the way out. I genuinely did not see a Hatton win but it seems I was in a minority of 1 in thinking that Tszyu was still a danger. Am I the only person who did not think Kostya was totally washed-up?

Against Mitchell he produced a more punishing and rounded display than in the 1st Mitchell fight and Mitchell was supposed to be in the ascendency. What did I miss? Kostya's left looked much improved and it was the same old routine, make it messy, bully the guy, get your sights, then take him out.

Kostya is too easily dismissed in my opinion. Even in the fight he landed some terrific shots. If Kostya would have retired post-Mitchell how many would honestly have said "He picked the right time"? I would have been saying he went with a lot left to offer. He was in far better form than Harris. It is completely insane to dismiss Tszyu Stu.

I'm not dismissing him, merely poining out the facts. Kostya wasn't washed up, but he was past his peak and he hadn't done 12 hard rounds in along while and it showed late on in the fight, although Hatton had a "run through walls" night and showed awesome fitness, desire and chin.

As I say KT wasn't washed up, but he was nowhere near peak either and had been inactive due to a career threatening shoulder injury

I picked Hatton to beat Kostya by KO before the fight and I raped the bookies

I refuse to listen to Hatton speak.

Witter is the No.1 at LW.

The sooner Hatton gets sparked out the better.

Urangonwas WORTH IT for the Belt.

Urango is shit.

Maussa was worth it for the blt.

Maussa is shit.

Witter - WBC World Champion?

Fear plain and simple from Hatton and the people who can really press him do not.

Pity I missed the show, but I would not listen to Hatton.


Hatton is an opportunist anf ighting PBF was about foghtng a SMALLER man with ( so they thought) NO POWER to hurt him.

THAT DOES NOT TAKE GUTS!

Hatton knows Witters style and punch is too dangerous.

The sooner he leaves British Boxing the better, Hatton is PR MONKEY and celebrity Boxer.

Cotto -Witter - Corley - Urkal and several others dodged.

Anyone who can not see Hatton fights faded smaller fighters is plain blind.


Retire Hatton, you are a disgrace, greedy git.

Terry D wrote:

Chambers2 wrote:

Terry D wrote: Anyone got any pre-Tszyu threads to throw up? I want to see how everyone in the world but me went against Kostya. As a big fan of Kostya I thought the Hatton fight would end in Tszyu's favour within a couple of rounds. Hatton caught by the right on the way in and with the left on the way out. I genuinely did not see a Hatton win but it seems I was in a minority of 1 in thinking that Tszyu was still a danger. Am I the only person who did not think Kostya was totally washed-up?

Against Mitchell he produced a more punishing and rounded display than in the 1st Mitchell fight and Mitchell was supposed to be in the ascendency. What did I miss? Kostya's left looked much improved and it was the same old routine, make it messy, bully the guy, get your sights, then take him out.

Kostya is too easily dismissed in my opinion. Even in the fight he landed some terrific shots. If Kostya would have retired post-Mitchell how many would honestly have said "He picked the right time"? I would have been saying he went with a lot left to offer. He was in far better form than Harris. It is completely insane to dismiss Tszyu Stu.

I'm not dismissing him, merely poining out the facts. Kostya wasn't washed up, but he was past his peak and he hadn't done 12 hard rounds in along while and it showed late on in the fight, although Hatton had a "run through walls" night and showed awesome fitness, desire and chin.

As I say KT wasn't washed up, but he was nowhere near peak either and had been inactive due to a career threatening shoulder injury

I picked Hatton to beat Kostya by KO before the fight and I raped the bookies

Last time he had done 12 it wasn't long and hard because he was absolutely outboxing Tackie for round after round.

If he was so badly faded how did he turn in a better result on the active Mitchell? Mitchell had not looked as impressive as Tszyu in my opinion but he was active so surely by that criteria had one up on Tszyu?

A stoppage win over Tszyu is the best British result in recent years, only to be bettered if Calzaghe wins in the USA against Hopkins.

This is not a defense of Hatton's stance on Witter, more a comment on the crazy notion that the Tszyu win means less.

Terry - that was 3 years ago.

And the fact KT has not fought since shows his motivation.

Terry D wrote:

Chambers2 wrote:

Eraserhead wrote:Ricky sounded like a bad car salesman. Always had a reason or excuse why Witter shouldn't get the fight.

Saying that, though, when he did mention the fact that VIVIAN HARRIS is Witter's best win it did remind me just how much Witter has been reliant on Hatton all these years. Harris was sparked by Maussa for fook's sake. What's there to boast about there?

Obviously, Hatton-Witter SHOULD still happen nonetheless - and Witter is a damn sight better than Juan Lazcano - but Junior hasn't done himself any favours all these years. I'll give Hatton that...just.

Corley, Lynes, Kotelnik, N'Dou and Harris ain't that bad, they're not the marquee names that are on Hattons record, but in terms of ability (at the time Hatton/Witter fought them) there's not too much between them IMO if you take out PBF who whooped him bad

Castillo very good name, but he was a battle weary boxer with discipline problems who started as a featherweight. Kostya was at the tale end of his career and had been inactive

Are wins over Urango, Collazo and Maussa better than Corley, Lynes, Kotelnik, N'Dou and Harris? not IMO.

Anyone got any pre-Tszyu threads to throw up? I want to see how everyone in the world but me went against Kostya. As a big fan of Kostya I thought the Hatton fight would end in Tszyu's favour within a couple of rounds. Hatton caught by the right on the way in and with the left on the way out. I genuinely did not see a Hatton win but it seems I was in a minority of 1 in thinking that Tszyu was still a danger. Am I the only person who did not think Kostya was totally washed-up?

Against Mitchell he produced a more punishing and rounded display than in the 1st Mitchell fight and Mitchell was supposed to be in the ascendency. What did I miss? Kostya's left looked much improved and it was the same old routine, make it messy, bully the guy, get your sights, then take him out.

Kostya is too easily dismissed in my opinion. Even in the fight he landed some terrific shots. If Kostya would have retired post-Mitchell how many would honestly have said "He picked the right time"? I would have been saying he went with a lot left to offer. He was in far better form than Harris. It is completely insane to dismiss Tszyu Stu.

Tyszu was the favourate and I picked him to win quickly. It is an excellent win BUT outside of an old Mitchell Tyszu hadn't looked fantastic in recent years (leija/ukral), had been out of the ring for 2 1/2 years before a comeback, had a shoulder injury needing surgery and wasn't as fit as he once was. Not to mention the wrestling/low blows that Ricky got away with.

Ricky hasn't fought the best at 140 since Tyszu because he doesn't want to risk his Lineal title, this isn't the act of a champion.

Tyszu aside Hatton and Witter have equal resumes, take Tyszu away and I rate Witter's above Hatton's because Castillo was shot to pieces

Boxing match ups isn't about who you've fought, its about who has the ability to outdo the other. Witter has a better than 50% chance of upsetting Hatton, allot better than that for my money and Hatton has known it all along

I thought Tszyu would stop Hatton with ease. I even thought Castillo would beat him. I've never picked any fighter Witter has faced to turn him over. Witter's beaten some decent fringe contenders and that's about it. I still think Hatton-Witter should happen - Junior's streets ahead of the Urangos, Maussas, Lazcanos, etc. - but Witter should have forced this thing years ago.

Chambers2 wrote:
When he was asked whether Junior was in his immediate plans he said

"No, we've been looking at Torres, Mallignaggi [long list of names with one notable exception in JW]" then he went into a rant "I've won World titles at LWW then moved up in weight and won another one, then won another 2 back at 140 and I've just fought the P4P #1, what has Junior Witter done? if both our careers were finished today I know who'd have the better legacy"

Winning World Titles against Urango and Maussa and getting a gift a gufr against Collazo?

Hatton is a prime example of the fact belts are easy to come by.

What has Witter done?

British ) Lonsdale belt outright and even then NO ONE wanted to fight him so he was GIVEN the Lonsdale belt to keep - never happened before in the history of Boxing!).

Commomwealth Title
European Title
WBC World title.

In my book that is better than 20 plus WBU title defences against Lightweights- ( domestic Lightweights!!!!!) and Super feathers plus OVER the hill veterans.

The hatton story wil not end happily.

I GUARANTEE YOU - IF WITTER LOST - ALL OF A SUDEN HATTON WILL WANT THE WBC BELT.....

Ricky Hatton ' The WBC Beklt is the most prestigious of belts and historically I need to win that to complete the set'

I can hear it now!

What a fraud.

Eraserhead wrote:I thought Tszyu would stop Hatton with ease. I even thought Castillo would beat him. I've never picked any fighter Witter has faced to turn him over. Witter's beaten some decent fringe contenders and that's about it. I still think Hatton-Witter should happen - Junior's streets ahead of the Urangos, Maussas, Lazcanos, etc. - but Witter should have forced this thing years ago.

Forced it years ago?

Every stipulation the MUNSTERS put before him he dealt with.

Every time they move the goal posts.


Hatton talks about legacy?


Old KT
Shot JLC
Beaten to shiit by PBF
Running from Witter.


Great legacy.

Terry D wrote:

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:

Terry D wrote: Anyone got any pre-Tszyu threads to throw up? I want to see how everyone in the world but me went against Kostya. As a big fan of Kostya I thought the Hatton fight would end in Tszyu's favour within a couple of rounds. Hatton caught by the right on the way in and with the left on the way out. I genuinely did not see a Hatton win but it seems I was in a minority of 1 in thinking that Tszyu was still a danger. Am I the only person who did not think Kostya was totally washed-up?

Against Mitchell he produced a more punishing and rounded display than in the 1st Mitchell fight and Mitchell was supposed to be in the ascendency. What did I miss? Kostya's left looked much improved and it was the same old routine, make it messy, bully the guy, get your sights, then take him out.

Kostya is too easily dismissed in my opinion. Even in the fight he landed some terrific shots. If Kostya would have retired post-Mitchell how many would honestly have said "He picked the right time"? I would have been saying he went with a lot left to offer. He was in far better form than Harris. It is completely insane to dismiss Tszyu Stu.

Tyszu was the favourate and I picked him to win quickly. It is an excellent win BUT outside of an old Mitchell Tyszu hadn't looked fantastic in recent years (leija/ukral), had been out of the ring for 2 1/2 years before a comeback, had a shoulder injury needing surgery and wasn't as fit as he once was. Not to mention the wrestling/low blows that Ricky got away with.

Ricky hasn't fought the best at 140 since Tyszu because he doesn't want to risk his Lineal title, this isn't the act of a champion.

Tyszu aside Hatton and Witter have equal resumes, take Tyszu away and I rate Witter's above Hatton's because Castillo was shot to pieces

Boxing match ups isn't about who you've fought, its about who has the ability to outdo the other. Witter has a better than 50% chance of upsetting Hatton, allot better than that for my money and Hatton has known it all along

How can you denigrate Tszyu based on looking less than spectacular against Urkal when he went onto hammer Zab and completely outbox Tackie, it is a sure sign of the thing I am talking about.

W12 over Urkal = Poor form and sign he is slipping.

W KO 2 over Zab - Equals what? Zab slipped? He nailed Zab to the canvas after Urkal. Cotto could not do it that emphatically at WW.

Not bad form from Tszyu. PN, you're a good poster but I really struggle to see how Urkal heralded the end of Tszyu only for Kostya to nail Judah in his next fight (please answer without saying 'Witter had exposed Judah by that point).

REMEMBER.

KT WAS GETTING OUTBOXED BY ZAB AND WAS HURT MORE THAN ONCE.

HE LANDED 1 PUNCH AND WON THE FIGHT.

OTHER THAN THAT - HE WAS SCHOOLED BY ZAB AND HURT MORE THAN ZAB WAS ABLE TO HURT WITTER.

1 PUNCH DOES NOT MEAN ANYTHING.

DG. wrote:

Eraserhead wrote:I thought Tszyu would stop Hatton with ease. I even thought Castillo would beat him. I've never picked any fighter Witter has faced to turn him over. Witter's beaten some decent fringe contenders and that's about it. I still think Hatton-Witter should happen - Junior's streets ahead of the Urangos, Maussas, Lazcanos, etc. - but Witter should have forced this thing years ago.

Forced it years ago?

Every stipulation the MUNSTERS put before him he dealt with.

Every time they move the goal posts.


Hatton talks about legacy?


Old KT
Shot JLC
Beaten to shiit by PBF
Running from Witter.


Great legacy.

wish my legacy was like that

DG. wrote:

Chambers2 wrote:
When he was asked whether Junior was in his immediate plans he said

"No, we've been looking at Torres, Mallignaggi [long list of names with one notable exception in JW]" then he went into a rant "I've won World titles at LWW then moved up in weight and won another one, then won another 2 back at 140 and I've just fought the P4P #1, what has Junior Witter done? if both our careers were finished today I know who'd have the better legacy"

Winning World Titles against Urango and Maussa and getting a gift a gufr against Collazo?

Hatton is a prime example of the fact belts are easy to come by.

What has Witter done?

British ) Lonsdale belt outright and even then NO ONE wanted to fight him so he was GIVEN the Lonsdale belt to keep - never happened before in the history of Boxing!).

Commomwealth Title
European Title
WBC World title.

In my book that is better than 20 plus WBU title defences against Lightweights- ( domestic Lightweights!!!!!) and Super feathers plus OVER the hill veterans.

The hatton story wil not end happily.

I GUARANTEE YOU - IF WITTER LOST - ALL OF A SUDEN HATTON WILL WANT THE WBC BELT.....

Ricky Hatton ' The WBC Beklt is the most prestigious of belts and historically I need to win that to complete the set'

I can hear it now!

What a fraud.

Incorrect.

Charlie Magri was also given the londsdale belt, despite never defending it, for lack of opponents.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

DG. wrote:

Chambers2 wrote:
When he was asked whether Junior was in his immediate plans he said

"No, we've been looking at Torres, Mallignaggi [long list of names with one notable exception in JW]" then he went into a rant "I've won World titles at LWW then moved up in weight and won another one, then won another 2 back at 140 and I've just fought the P4P #1, what has Junior Witter done? if both our careers were finished today I know who'd have the better legacy"

Winning World Titles against Urango and Maussa and getting a gift a gufr against Collazo?

Hatton is a prime example of the fact belts are easy to come by.

What has Witter done?

British ) Lonsdale belt outright and even then NO ONE wanted to fight him so he was GIVEN the Lonsdale belt to keep - never happened before in the history of Boxing!).

Commomwealth Title
European Title
WBC World title.

In my book that is better than 20 plus WBU title defences against Lightweights- ( domestic Lightweights!!!!!) and Super feathers plus OVER the hill veterans.

The hatton story wil not end happily.

I GUARANTEE YOU - IF WITTER LOST - ALL OF A SUDEN HATTON WILL WANT THE WBC BELT.....

Ricky Hatton ' The WBC Beklt is the most prestigious of belts and historically I need to win that to complete the set'

I can hear it now!

What a fraud.

Incorrect.

Charlie Magri was also given the londsdale belt, despite never defending it, for lack of opponents.

I stand corrected!

BUT THE REST IS TRUE!

banjo wrote:

DG. wrote:

Eraserhead wrote:I thought Tszyu would stop Hatton with ease. I even thought Castillo would beat him. I've never picked any fighter Witter has faced to turn him over. Witter's beaten some decent fringe contenders and that's about it. I still think Hatton-Witter should happen - Junior's streets ahead of the Urangos, Maussas, Lazcanos, etc. - but Witter should have forced this thing years ago.

Forced it years ago?

Every stipulation the MUNSTERS put before him he dealt with.

Every time they move the goal posts.


Hatton talks about legacy?


Old KT
Shot JLC
Beaten to shiit by PBF
Running from Witter.


Great legacy.

wish my legacy was like that

If you were making out you had a great legacy and it was the above, then you would not wish it was!



Beating

Cotto
Mosley
PBF
WITTER

Is a much better legacy

Problem is they all KNOCK HIM OUT!

Terry D wrote:

Chambers2 wrote:

Terry D wrote: Anyone got any pre-Tszyu threads to throw up? I want to see how everyone in the world but me went against Kostya. As a big fan of Kostya I thought the Hatton fight would end in Tszyu's favour within a couple of rounds. Hatton caught by the right on the way in and with the left on the way out. I genuinely did not see a Hatton win but it seems I was in a minority of 1 in thinking that Tszyu was still a danger. Am I the only person who did not think Kostya was totally washed-up?

Against Mitchell he produced a more punishing and rounded display than in the 1st Mitchell fight and Mitchell was supposed to be in the ascendency. What did I miss? Kostya's left looked much improved and it was the same old routine, make it messy, bully the guy, get your sights, then take him out.

Kostya is too easily dismissed in my opinion. Even in the fight he landed some terrific shots. If Kostya would have retired post-Mitchell how many would honestly have said "He picked the right time"? I would have been saying he went with a lot left to offer. He was in far better form than Harris. It is completely insane to dismiss Tszyu Stu.

I'm not dismissing him, merely poining out the facts. Kostya wasn't washed up, but he was past his peak and he hadn't done 12 hard rounds in along while and it showed late on in the fight, although Hatton had a "run through walls" night and showed awesome fitness, desire and chin.

As I say KT wasn't washed up, but he was nowhere near peak either and had been inactive due to a career threatening shoulder injury

I picked Hatton to beat Kostya by KO before the fight and I raped the bookies

Last time he had done 12 it wasn't long and hard because he was absolutely outboxing Tackie for round after round.

If he was so badly faded how did he turn in a better result on the active Mitchell? Mitchell had not looked as impressive as Tszyu in my opinion but he was active so surely by that criteria had one up on Tszyu?

A stoppage win over Tszyu is the best British result in recent years, only to be bettered if Calzaghe wins in the USA against Hopkins.

This is not a defense of Hatton's stance on Witter, more a comment on the crazy notion that the Tszyu win means less.

The Tszyu fight is far from meaningless, as you say it was a Great British result, but Kostyas age and condition have to be taken into account. Hatton didn't beat a prime or peak Kostya, but nevertheless it was an awesome night and performance from Ricky.

Mitchell had one-up on Tszyu as Sharmba has been active, but Mitchells got a suspect chin and Kostya was a BIG one punch hitter, it was destined to finish the way it did and Kostyas 12 round fitness didn't come into play

Hatton could win countless gold medals on the running tracks as long as witter was behind him

Terry D wrote:

DG. wrote:

Terry D wrote: Last time he had done 12 it wasn't long and hard because he was absolutely outboxing Tackie for round after round.

If he was so badly faded how did he turn in a better result on the active Mitchell? Mitchell had not looked as impressive as Tszyu in my opinion but he was active so surely by that criteria had one up on Tszyu?

A stoppage win over Tszyu is the best British result in recent years, only to be bettered if Calzaghe wins in the USA against Hopkins.

This is not a defense of Hatton's stance on Witter, more a comment on the crazy notion that the Tszyu win means less.

Terry - that was 3 years ago.

And the fact KT has not fought since shows his motivation.

Come one. He hasn't fought since because he doesn't need it anymore. Are you saying he came into the fight with a lesser intention of winning? He could have quit prior to being pulled out.

Like it or not the Tszyu win towers over anything that either Hatton or Witter can hope to do in the next few years.

I disagree!

He was paid very well an gave up everything to make the fight and the MONEY!

If he had the desire he would avenge the loss - seek a rematch!

Desire plays a big part in how you fight.

If Hatton BEAT COTTO NOW - that is a better win that KT.

If WITTER beat COTTO now it is a better win.

KT was as much the top Light Welter then as Vitali is the TOP heavy.

Its like the heavyweight Champions when TYSON was on his way through, we knew who the belt holder was BUT WE KNEW TYSON WAS GOING TO TAKE IT FROM HIM THE FIRST CHANCE HE GETS!

On Paper KT ws the champ - in reality.

NO.

PBF would have outboxed him UD12

Beating Tackie means nothing... everyone does over 12.

Terry D wrote:

Phenomenal-Nutrition wrote:

Terry D wrote: Anyone got any pre-Tszyu threads to throw up? I want to see how everyone in the world but me went against Kostya. As a big fan of Kostya I thought the Hatton fight would end in Tszyu's favour within a couple of rounds. Hatton caught by the right on the way in and with the left on the way out. I genuinely did not see a Hatton win but it seems I was in a minority of 1 in thinking that Tszyu was still a danger. Am I the only person who did not think Kostya was totally washed-up?

Against Mitchell he produced a more punishing and rounded display than in the 1st Mitchell fight and Mitchell was supposed to be in the ascendency. What did I miss? Kostya's left looked much improved and it was the same old routine, make it messy, bully the guy, get your sights, then take him out.

Kostya is too easily dismissed in my opinion. Even in the fight he landed some terrific shots. If Kostya would have retired post-Mitchell how many would honestly have said "He picked the right time"? I would have been saying he went with a lot left to offer. He was in far better form than Harris. It is completely insane to dismiss Tszyu Stu.

Tyszu was the favourate and I picked him to win quickly. It is an excellent win BUT outside of an old Mitchell Tyszu hadn't looked fantastic in recent years (leija/ukral), had been out of the ring for 2 1/2 years before a comeback, had a shoulder injury needing surgery and wasn't as fit as he once was. Not to mention the wrestling/low blows that Ricky got away with.

Ricky hasn't fought the best at 140 since Tyszu because he doesn't want to risk his Lineal title, this isn't the act of a champion.

Tyszu aside Hatton and Witter have equal resumes, take Tyszu away and I rate Witter's above Hatton's because Castillo was shot to pieces

Boxing match ups isn't about who you've fought, its about who has the ability to outdo the other. Witter has a better than 50% chance of upsetting Hatton, allot better than that for my money and Hatton has known it all along

How can you denigrate Tszyu based on looking less than spectacular against Urkal when he went onto hammer Zab and completely outbox Tackie, it is a sure sign of the thing I am talking about.

W12 over Urkal = Poor form and sign he is slipping.

W KO 2 over Zab - Equals what? Zab slipped? He nailed Zab to the canvas after Urkal. Cotto could not do it that emphatically at WW.

Not bad form from Tszyu. PN, you're a good poster but I really struggle to see how Urkal heralded the end of Tszyu only for Kostya to nail Judah in his next fight (please answer without saying 'Witter had exposed Judah by that point).

My basic premise is Tyszu was in his prime in 1999 and gradually faded after that despite being able to beat good but floored competition. Tyszu gradually lost stamina and speed as we all do with age and injury. Tyszu still had his power BUT that is the last thing a fighter loses and a KO win is very deceptive in boxing. In 1996 we all expected Mike Tyson to dominate because of his KO wins.

Look at Tyszus performances and opposition 2000 onwards:

Mitchell 1 - struggled with the style and won on Shamba injurying his knee hence the rematch. I scored this to Shamba but Tyszu was landing the more hurtful shots

Ukral - struggled against a European level comp, a sign of detoriation or a tricky fighter? is it worth mentioning harris ko'd Ukral?

Judah - got badly hurt in the 1st round and caught Judah twice when Judah was sleeping. Judahs lack of concentration, weak chin were the telling factors alongside Tyszus power. This looks a sensational win BUT this isn't a demonstration of a fighter at his peak

Tackie - a shuout win for Tyszu but Tackie was gatekeeper level and anyone in the top10 would shut him out even an old Lazcanno beat Tackie

Leija - gave Tyszu problems before the stoppage

Mitchell - looked sensational and brutal BUT Mitchell lost 2 of his next 4 by stoppages before the end of round 6. Mitchell also got a gift against Ndou a few fights earlier. Again a sensational looking win that swayed most fans myself included BUT this 3 round performance against a weak old fighter isn't a demonstration of a fighter at his peak

Tyszu is still an excellent win better than any of Witter's wins BUT he was 35, nearly 36, coming off injurys, had only fought 3 rounds in 3years and never fought again after this loss possibly showing he wasn't quite as hungry as he was when he was younger.

Terry D wrote:

DG. wrote:

Terry D wrote: How can you denigrate Tszyu based on looking less than spectacular against Urkal when he went onto hammer Zab and completely outbox Tackie, it is a sure sign of the thing I am talking about.

W12 over Urkal = Poor form and sign he is slipping.

W KO 2 over Zab - Equals what? Zab slipped? He nailed Zab to the canvas after Urkal. Cotto could not do it that emphatically at WW.

Not bad form from Tszyu. PN, you're a good poster but I really struggle to see how Urkal heralded the end of Tszyu only for Kostya to nail Judah in his next fight (please answer without saying 'Witter had exposed Judah by that point).

REMEMBER.

KT WAS GETTING OUTBOXED BY ZAB AND WAS HURT MORE THAN ONCE.

HE LANDED 1 PUNCH AND WON THE FIGHT.

OTHER THAN THAT - HE WAS SCHOOLED BY ZAB AND HURT MORE THAN ZAB WAS ABLE TO HURT WITTER.

1 PUNCH DOES NOT MEAN ANYTHING.

Outright nonsense. Tszyu got caughted with a left uppercut, went wobbly, got his feet under him and flashed a strong right onto the chin of Zab at the end of round 1.

Are you saying Zab was asleep in the latter part of 1, in the corner and then all through 2?

Zab showed everything he had, and has ever had, in the first couple of minutes then got his clock cleaned.

1) KT was hurt more than once!

2) Zab hurt KT more in 2 rounds than he did Witter in 12!

3) KTs punch saved him.

He was being outclassed!

You wont win Terry D :)

But yeah it is kinda funny how Hattons record is disected inside out by the Witter nuthuggers and his best win over Tszyu is swept under the carpet because Tszyu was an old man.

Yet in the next breath we hear them bigging up Witters wins over Corley, Lynes and Kotelnik.

lol just lol

That was a silly thing to say. Zab acted all flashy, then he got figured out, then he got obliterated.

3) KTs punch saved him.

well this is boxing, punching saving people indeed...

Tszyu was timing Zab perfectly with that straight right, which is why a lot of people claim a prime Tszyu could have been the guy to beat Floyd.

I understand the Hatton frustration but don't try to talk down Tszyu to score points for Witter

Twinkle Toes wrote:You wont win Terry D :)

But yeah it is kinda funny how Hattons record is disected inside out by the Witter nuthuggers and his best win over Tszyu is swept under the carpet because Tszyu was an old man.

Yet in the next breath we hear them bigging up Witters wins over Corley, Lynes and Kotelnik.

lol just lol

Hello Tinky Winky.

So, prior to KT - what was Hattons best win?

40 year old Vince?

Witter - like all fighters - needs te oportunity to test himself.

Witter has them running left right and centre.

Again, prior to KT - who is Hattons best win?