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1- Sugar Ray Robinson
2 - Henry Armstrong
4 - Sam Langford
4 - Muhammad Ali
5 - Joe Louis
6 - Ezzard Charles
7 - Willie Pep
8 - Bob Fitzsimmons
9 - Gene Tunney
10. Harry Greb
11- Charley Burley
12- Carlos Monzon
13- Sugar Ray Leonard
14- Benny Leonard
15- Roberto Duran
16- Barney Ross
17- Mickey Walker
18- Floyd Mayweather Jr.
19- Joe Gans
20- Pernell Whitaker
21- Roy Jones Jr.
22- Julio Cesar Chavez
23- Bernard Hopkins
24. Hector Camacho
25. Jimmy Wilde

actjac wrote:1- Sugar Ray Robinson
2 - Henry Armstrong
4 - Sam Langford
4 - Muhammad Ali
5 - Joe Louis
6 - Ezzard Charles
7 - Willie Pep
8 - Bob Fitzsimmons
9 - Gene Tunney
10. Harry Greb
11- Charley Burley
12- Carlos Monzon
13- Sugar Ray Leonard
14- Benny Leonard
15- Roberto Duran
16- Barney Ross
17- Mickey Walker
18- Floyd Mayweather Jr.
19- Joe Gans
20- Pernell Whitaker
21- Roy Jones Jr.
22- Julio Cesar Chavez
23- Bernard Hopkins
24. Hector Camacho
25. Jimmy Wilde

A good list, spoilt by Camacho at 24

Charles, Burley and Camacho are too high.

actjac wrote:1- Sugar Ray Robinson
2 - Henry Armstrong
4 - Sam Langford
4 - Muhammad Ali
5 - Joe Louis
6 - Ezzard Charles
7 - Willie Pep
8 - Bob Fitzsimmons
9 - Gene Tunney
10. Harry Greb
11- Charley Burley
12- Carlos Monzon
13- Sugar Ray Leonard
14- Benny Leonard
15- Roberto Duran
16- Barney Ross
17- Mickey Walker
18- Floyd Mayweather Jr.
19- Joe Gans
20- Pernell Whitaker
21- Roy Jones Jr.
22- Julio Cesar Chavez
23- Bernard Hopkins
24. Hector Camacho
25. Jimmy Wilde

Good list indeed, but B-Hop #23, Camacho #24? Very controversial.

dr_devious wrote:

actjac wrote:1- Sugar Ray Robinson
2 - Henry Armstrong
4 - Sam Langford
4 - Muhammad Ali
5 - Joe Louis
6 - Ezzard Charles
7 - Willie Pep
8 - Bob Fitzsimmons
9 - Gene Tunney
10. Harry Greb
11- Charley Burley
12- Carlos Monzon
13- Sugar Ray Leonard
14- Benny Leonard
15- Roberto Duran
16- Barney Ross
17- Mickey Walker
18- Floyd Mayweather Jr.
19- Joe Gans
20- Pernell Whitaker
21- Roy Jones Jr.
22- Julio Cesar Chavez
23- Bernard Hopkins
24. Hector Camacho
25. Jimmy Wilde

A good list, spoilt by Camacho at 24

Exactly what I was thinking.

Can't stand Camacho, nor could I stand those damn skirted trunks he wore in the ring.

Yeah i agree it's a goodlist. But as mentioned above how does Camacho make the cut. I wouldn't of had him anywher near that list. Not even in the top 100 of all time.

I'd also not have Camacho and Hopkins in there, rather Archie Moore and Marvin Hagler. Otherwise the usual suspects are here, and while one can admittedly order them 100 times and still feel one has not done justice to all of them, I'd have Harry Greb and Roberto Duran higher than in the original list.

Camacho and Hopkins don't belong. Moore does, possibly Hagler. Two other possibles are Sandy Saddler and Pascual Perez, both of whom I think were underrated. While I would certainly rate Langford in the top 25, I am not sure I'd have him that high

Hopkins Belongs... but Camacho ?

That list makes the Baby Jesus cry.

Lest anyone accuse me of bias; Ali is too high. Harry Greb, Ezzard Charles and Willie Pep should be above both him and Louis.

Mayweather and Hopkins are my two most favorite active fighters, and neither of them are top 50. Neither is Jones.

Someone mentioned that Archie Moore should be in there, among others.

I admit that I'm better at criticizing these lists than I am at making them. And you get a thumbs up for putting Whitaker ahead of Chavez.

Props to anyone putting up a top 25 p4p list, but Jimmy Wilde at number 25 behind the likes of B-Hop and PBF?

I Feel Fine wrote:Lest anyone accuse me of bias; Ali is too high. Harry Greb, Ezzard Charles and Willie Pep should be above both him and Louis.

Mayweather and Hopkins are my two most favorite active fighters, and neither of them are top 50. Neither is Jones.

Someone mentioned that Archie Moore should be in there, among others.

I admit that I'm better at criticizing these lists than I am at making them. And you get a thumbs up for putting Whitaker ahead of Chavez.

I agree totally with you IFF....And we do not agree in many stuff about boxing.

Jimmy Wilde, Roberto Duran, Joe Gans and Benny Leonard are top 10 fighters. Bob Fitzsimmons, Charley Burley and Gene Tunney are not top 25 caliber. Where is Jack Dempsey?...He is not a top 25?

elmersalsa wrote:Jimmy Wilde, Roberto Duran, Joe Gans and Benny Leonard are top 10 fighters. Bob Fitzsimmons, Charley Burley and Gene Tunney are not top 25 caliber. Where is Jack Dempsey?...He is not a top 25?

Seems the original list looks far more comptent to me than any you would assemble.

Actually the more I look at the list, the less I disline it..... With the exception of some of today's fighters making it and Camacho its not horrible..... When you are talking about the top 25 boxers alltime p4p you really are drawing very small distinctions when talking about who is better.

Don't criticize until you make your list.

[Aimed at everyone on here who didn't post a list]

What about

Jack Dempsey

Rocky Marciano

Eder Jofre

Pascual Pérez

Nicolino Locche

Stanley Ketchel

Tommy Ryan

Judging on pure talent at their peak, then yes Camacho belongs on such a list. He was breathtaking at his very best.
Judging by accomplishments, then no, he shouldn't be on the list.

JC Chavez is better than about 8 fighters over him on this particular list.

actjac wrote:1- Sugar Ray Robinson
2 - Henry Armstrong
4 - Sam Langford
4 - Muhammad Ali
5 - Joe Louis
6 - Ezzard Charles
7 - Willie Pep
8 - Bob Fitzsimmons
9 - Gene Tunney
10. Harry Greb
11- Charley Burley
12- Carlos Monzon
13- Sugar Ray Leonard
14- Benny Leonard
15- Roberto Duran
16- Barney Ross
17- Mickey Walker
18- Floyd Mayweather Jr.
19- Joe Gans
20- Pernell Whitaker
21- Roy Jones Jr.
22- Julio Cesar Chavez
23- Bernard Hopkins
24. Hector Camacho
25. Jimmy Wilde

Head to head...Monzone, Leanord, Duran, Jones, not to mention Kelly Pavlic,, Marvin Hagler and Thomas Hearns in their primes, beat SRR every time
Robinson is without doubt, the most over rated fighter of all time. It is total revisionism and rose colored recollection

forreal wrote:

actjac wrote:1- Sugar Ray Robinson
2 - Henry Armstrong
4 - Sam Langford
4 - Muhammad Ali
5 - Joe Louis
6 - Ezzard Charles
7 - Willie Pep
8 - Bob Fitzsimmons
9 - Gene Tunney
10. Harry Greb
11- Charley Burley
12- Carlos Monzon
13- Sugar Ray Leonard
14- Benny Leonard
15- Roberto Duran
16- Barney Ross
17- Mickey Walker
18- Floyd Mayweather Jr.
19- Joe Gans
20- Pernell Whitaker
21- Roy Jones Jr.
22- Julio Cesar Chavez
23- Bernard Hopkins
24. Hector Camacho
25. Jimmy Wilde

Head to head...Monzone, Leanord, Duran, Jones, not to mention Kelly Pavlic,, Marvin Hagler and Thomas Hearns in their primes, beat SRR every time
Robinson is without doubt, the most over rated fighter of all time. It is total revisionism and rose colored recollection

look out for all the sh!t your going to catch for this one. he's still one of the best ever, but yes i feel he's overrated as well.

bjermaine wrote:

forreal wrote:

actjac wrote:1- Sugar Ray Robinson
2 - Henry Armstrong
4 - Sam Langford
4 - Muhammad Ali
5 - Joe Louis
6 - Ezzard Charles
7 - Willie Pep
8 - Bob Fitzsimmons
9 - Gene Tunney
10. Harry Greb
11- Charley Burley
12- Carlos Monzon
13- Sugar Ray Leonard
14- Benny Leonard
15- Roberto Duran
16- Barney Ross
17- Mickey Walker
18- Floyd Mayweather Jr.
19- Joe Gans
20- Pernell Whitaker
21- Roy Jones Jr.
22- Julio Cesar Chavez
23- Bernard Hopkins
24. Hector Camacho
25. Jimmy Wilde

Head to head...Monzone, Leanord, Duran, Jones, not to mention Kelly Pavlic,, Marvin Hagler and Thomas Hearns in their primes, beat SRR every time
Robinson is without doubt, the most over rated fighter of all time. It is total revisionism and rose colored recollection

look out for all the sh!t your going to catch for this one. he's still one of the best ever, but yes i feel he's overrated as well.

Oh I know I will get flack ...Robinson is a media/ web wide sacred cow.
If anyone would bnother to take a look at history as opposed to hype, he would be at best, in the low double digits to mid teens on an accurate all time pfp list.

Had there been a rubber match with Basilio, that would be clear as glass, and there are at least 5 current fighters i would place above him

I agree, Robinson is oversold. As for him being way down on a p-f-p list & five current fighters ranking above him, get yer hand off it, FR

Young fans looking for attention, what can you say.

Robinson is the greatest fighter of all time. Is he miles ahead of Armstrong and Greb? No. Could you make the case for them being ahead of Robinson? Sure.

Hector Camacho amongst the top 25 fighters of all time?

Fekkin ridiculous.

Nuf said.