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Ok lads lets have them.

Leading up to the stoppage, how did you have the fight ?

I have yet to score it, BUT I shall have my scores up shortly.

Thanks

Kym

Despite the official scorecards (which I've posted on another thread), I had Frazier well ahead.

bennie wrote:Despite the official scorecards (which I've posted on another thread), I had Frazier well ahead.

How well ahead?

Yeah I saw that, hence me starting this thread. I have watched the
fight a few times while never scoring it, and I never felt Ali was that
well ahead.

I shall watch again shortly.

Collins2000 wrote:

bennie wrote:Despite the official scorecards (which I've posted on another thread), I had Frazier well ahead.

How well ahead?

I must admit I didn't numerically score it, Collins, given it is not a fight I take any great pleasure in disecting. From watching it, Ali came out to finish Frazier early (so he could go back to shagging Veronica), failed and then Frazier largely dominated. Obviously, Ali dug deep and came back at the end but I would still have had Frazier ahead overall.
Well ahead.

Kym, what scoring system will you use?

Was it originally scored on the 10 point must sytem, 5 point must, round by round or what?

I'll dig out my copy when I get back to Sydney and score it. It's years since I watched it...

bennie wrote:

Collins2000 wrote:

bennie wrote:Despite the official scorecards (which I've posted on another thread), I had Frazier well ahead.

How well ahead?

I must admit I didn't numerically score it, Collins, given it is not a fight I take any great pleasure in disecting. From watching it, Ali came out to finish Frazier early (so he could go back to shagging Veronica), failed and then Frazier largely dominated. Obviously, Ali dug deep and came back at the end but I would still have had Frazier ahead overall.
Well ahead.

Thanks Bennie. "Well ahead" suggests a reversal of what the Filipino officials saw. I'll have a look at it myself sometime next week.

Contrary to what Klanberry would have you believe, I'm not a big fan of the later Ali fights. All that holding behind the head and pulling down and the mugging to the crowd wears a bit thin, particularly when I have so much else I could watch in the lighter weights...

I always do my scoring in ten point must and older fights I
do a round by round back up scoring.

How do you score Collins ?

Robinson wrote:I always do my scoring in ten point must and older fights I
do a round by round back up scoring.

How do you score Collins ?

10 point must too. It can always be converted to round by round.

You sometimes see one scored on the 5 point system (looking at the scores given on this site suggests this was one).

Then you have the Brit ones where they used to scored on a 10 point must system but had 1/2 points and further back 1/4 points which is a nightmare to try and work out back to a round by round. Bennie probably remembers this too.

I'm no judge, I hasten to add. I just thought Frazier put in such a big middle-round effort...

Im impartial to Frazier's style, but in the case of the 2nd fight
between Ali and Frazier I can not bring myself to scoring that
fight for Joe.

If the GF permits me I am going to score it later...
hopefully after i score with her :)

Robinson wrote:Im impartial to Frazier's style, but in the case of the 2nd fight
between Ali and Frazier I can not bring myself to scoring that
fight for Joe.

If the GF permits me I am going to score it later...
hopefully after i score with her :)

bennie wrote:I'm no judge, I hasten to add. I just thought Frazier put in such a big middle-round effort...

The hardest fights I find to score are ones where there are many rounds in which one fellow lands more scoring blows and the other fellow gets in far less but of a harder variety. One fight that perfectly shpwcases this is Ken Buchanan vs Guts Ishimatsu. Japanese TV replayed the full fight a couple of years back and a contact in Japan was good enough to send me a lovely copy. I had Buchanan up by a couple of points but I can see how others saw it differently.

Robinson wrote:Ok lads lets have them.

Leading up to the stoppage, how did you have the fight ?

I have yet to score it, BUT I shall have my scores up shortly.

Thanks

Kym

Most folks without an axe to grind who watched the fight had Ali dominating the beginning and the end and Joe dominating the middle...

If I have scored the bout, it was five or ten years ago. Ali wasn't ahead by five rounds, but he was starting to pull away on the scorecards at the time of the stoppage.

Ali 8-6 in rounds.

I scored it 8-4-2 to Ali - I thought a couple of rounds were very close. Even if I give those rounds to Frazier Ali was still ahead 8-6 IMO.

Nile4000 wrote:Ali 8-6 in rounds.

I believe I had the same score. Ali pulled ahead in 13 and 14.

Collins2000 wrote:

bennie wrote:I'm no judge, I hasten to add. I just thought Frazier put in such a big middle-round effort...

The hardest fights I find to score are ones where there are many rounds in which one fellow lands more scoring blows and the other fellow gets in far less but of a harder variety. One fight that perfectly shpwcases this is Ken Buchanan vs Guts Ishimatsu. Japanese TV replayed the full fight a couple of years back and a contact in Japan was good enough to send me a lovely copy. I had Buchanan up by a couple of points but I can see how others saw it differently.

Other ones that are hard are when Boxer A wins his rounds convincingly and Boxer B just about scrapes his. It seems that A is dominating but if B wins the close ones then the score is much closer than you might think.

Problem here is that when B does have a little success it can seem he deserves the round when he's hardly had a look in at all in th previous round.

I think Whittaker beat Chavez but I think it was this kind of fight.