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19 greatest heavyweight left hooks +1

Posted: 07 Jul 2008, 00:44
by Big Bad John
This is kind of ripped from another thread, but I thought it was worthy of a new topic. Here's my tentative list:

1. Joe Frazier: Sorry, Tyson fans. Tyson never put Muhammad Ali on his ass with his. As Buster Douglas and Evander Holyfield showed, Tyson's left hook could be neutralized. Every exchange you had with Frazier, the left hook was the defining punch.
2. Mike Tyson: When Mike Tyson had a solid head on his shoulders, he set up the left hook as beautifully as anyone in the history of boxing. Jab, right uppercut to the heart, long left hook as the other guy was pulling away. Or he'd simply wing away. The problem is that he didn't have anything else. When he winged away, he missed most of the time, but even when he didn't, he only had one way to set up that crushing left hook. Joe Frazier had a hundred.
3. Floyd Patterson: The credit for Patterson's "Gazelle" left hook should partially go to Cus D'amato, as he taught the same hook to Mike Tyson and Jose Torres. 99% of the power comes from your strong foot, the right foot.
4. Jim Jeffries: Before Floyd Patterson, Jim Jeffries threw the prototypical left hook, and he defined the left hook for three or four generations of fighters. Stories of his left hook have been passed down from trainer to pupil since the 1800s. But in a way, Jeffries's left hook was fundamentally flawed, as he was left-handed and left-footed. He got the power off the front foot instead of the back foot, and it wasn't until Cus D'amato that the purely back-footed left hook became a reality.
5. Joe Louis: You can't talk about any punch in boxing without talking about how Joe Louis threw it. The knowledge behind Louis's arsenal came from from the great Jack Blackburn, his trainer. Blackburn taught Louis to perfect every aspect of fighting, and the way he threw the left hook was simply perfect. Louis had a horrible habit of dropping his left hand, but he always kept his right hand by his chin. The hook might've been his most technically perfect punch.
6. Tommy Morrison: Tommy Morrison took that D'amato left hook and put it on a 6'2", 225-pound frame. He might have had the best pure hook boxing's ever seen, only his chin was weak, so he couldn't trade it with the best fighters out there. Give David Tua Morrison's left hook or Morrison Tua's chin, and you have a monster.
7. David Tua: For pure power, might be #1, but he didn't throw it often enough, and he didn't keep his right hand up the way Louis and Jeffries did, and he didn't have the range of Patterson, Tyson and Morrison. He was excellent at blocking the left hook, unless he happened to be throwing one himself. He threw the double- and triple-jab, but never doubled up to the body.
8. Cleveland Williams: Williams had a more traditional left hook, combined with murderous power and a murderous reach. It's interesting to watch his matches with Sonny Liston. Liston had more range on the jab, but Williams had more range on the hook.
9. Jack Dempsey: What made Demspey's hook so dangerous is the way he targeted different areas with it, the floating ribs, the point of the chin, the solar plexus, the temple, the jaw - even the groin. In combinations it was deadly, 190 pounds or no 190 pounds.
10. Sonny Liston: Sonny Liston was a simple man, and a simple fighter. As an amateur and early professional, he knocked people out with the jab. Then he learned the hook, and then he learned the right hand. No one knows if he was a lefty or a righty - no one saw him write - but most people assume he was left handed.
11. Wladimir Klitschko: "When was the last time you saw a heavyweight throw a double left hook to the body and then the head," was Jim Lampley's commentary. He also claimed that Klitschko was the only heavyweight he'd ever seen throw the triple left hook, even though David Tua'd been doing it for years. HBO hype aside, Wladimir Klitschko, with his 6'6", 240-pound frame, throws a mean left hook. His jab-left hook is a uniquely dangerous weapon in boxing today.
12. Razor Ruddock: It's really, really hard ranking a crushing left hook like Ruddock's below those of such smaller men, and while I'll admit ranking Patterson so highly is mostly out of historical value, I've yet to see any human being throw the hook like a 205-pound Joe Frazier. Watch how Morrison fought Ruddock. He didn't even as much as cock the left hook until late in the fight. The first hook he threw floored Ruddock, and led to 70 unanswered punches that ended the fight.
13. Gerry Cooney: Along with Ruddock, it's hard to rank Cooney's hook, because he only beat fighters who were past it. Sure, Cooney was big for the early 1980s, but what great fighter did he take down with it?
14. Henry Cooper: Like Cooney, Cooper didn't have much besides the left hook. He lacked the size of Cooney and other more recent fighters, but he hurt Ali with it. Don't buy that bullshit about the break between rounds being more than five seconds more than it should have been; it wasn't. But Cooper put Ali down, hard.
15. Lennox Lewis: What a lot of people forget about Lewis was how many weapons he had. He arguably had the best right hand ever, and his jab was painfully efficient at finding range and setting up other weapons. The hook might have even been his fourth-best punch after the uppercut, but he carried a lot of power and speed on it.
16. Muhammad Ali: Out of all the people on this list, he had the weakest left hook. But he also had the fastest. Ali would land this punch over and over again, almost at will. He ranks so low because he was badly open to the left hook counter.
17. Jersey Joe Walcott: Again, I'm hesitant about ranking sub-200-pound heavyweights as regards to punching power. As I've said before, it's hard to compare eras and weight classes. A lot of people don't talk about Walcott specifically. He beat Joe Louis, no matter what the judges said. He sent Louis to the canvas twice, and Marciano to the canvas once. Jack Dempsey once said that Rocky Marciano was the best heavyweight ever because he won the World Championship with one punch, but Walcott did it, too. Although Walcott was officially 194 and Charles 182, there were rumors flying that Charles was 168 leading up to the bout, and at fight time, he looked 20 or 30 pounds lighter than Walcott.
18. Rocky Marciano: For a 187-pound fighter who's best hand was the right, Marciano might not seem like the type to make this list, but the surgery done to Roland LaStarza's right arm says otherwise.
19. Tony Galento: A fat, balding, middle-aged man. Why do I relate to this man? Galento did nothing good and did nothing right, except for throw the left hook. He didn't have as solid an understanding of the fundamentals as even Butterbean did, or maybe he knew more than he let on, because that hook of his put a lot of people out. [/list]
  • Honorable (pound-for-pound) Mention: Floyd Mayweather. I know it isn't popular to sing Floyd's praises, but there's some serious technical greatness behind Mayweather's success. He could throw a right cross faster than anyone could throw a jab, but the versatility of Mayweather's left hook was simply unreal. He could throw every left hook mentioned above and then some. Sure, he didn't fight everyone he could have but since Ali, who has? Heck, before Ali, who has?

Re: 19 greatest heavyweight left hooks +1

Posted: 07 Jul 2008, 01:12
by Robinson
Good read Big John

Thank You for this.

Re: 19 greatest heavyweight left hooks +1

Posted: 07 Jul 2008, 06:58
by theone
Great list John. Glad to see you place Tyson at 2. He 's become as underrated lately as he was overrated in his prime.

Re: 19 greatest heavyweight left hooks +1

Posted: 07 Jul 2008, 14:26
by Ambling Alp
Great list and some interesting comments. There are a few guys that don't often get mentioned.
Morrison is too high though. The reasoning that Ruddock and Cooney didn't stop great fighters close to their prime should apply to Morrison as well.
Demspey probably should be even higher.

How about one your favorites, James J. Corbett? :D He helped bring the lefthook to prominence.

Overall a great list. There was some thought given to this.

Re: 19 greatest heavyweight left hooks +1

Posted: 07 Jul 2008, 16:11
by Big Bad John
Morrison's that high because he arguably had the best left hook ever.

Re: 19 greatest heavyweight left hooks +1

Posted: 07 Jul 2008, 16:29
by BoxBuzz
Rocky's most interesting left was the "exclamation point left hook" he handed to Walcott after the he "finished his sentence" and the damage was done. I still crack up when I see it land......It may be irrelevant at that point but he didn't pass up the chance to deliver it.

Re: 19 greatest heavyweight left hooks +1

Posted: 07 Jul 2008, 16:30
by Expug
Nice list, I would give Jerry Quarry a spot in there someplace also.
It wasnt really a one pinch ko shot with him but he made real good use of it against real tough opposition.
I like the way he threw it downstairs also.

Re: 19 greatest heavyweight left hooks +1

Posted: 07 Jul 2008, 16:43
by funso banjo baby
why reluctant rate walcott ?

jersey joe would have sparked all the champs atm

:box:

Re: 19 greatest heavyweight left hooks +1

Posted: 07 Jul 2008, 17:14
by ebeneezer
it's hard to rank Cooney's hook, because he only beat fighters who were past it. Sure, Cooney was big for the early 1980s, but what great fighter did he take down with it?
None. But mutilating Jimmy Young's face and breaking Ron Lyle's ribs in the first round is a sign of pure power. Also Cooney's left hook KO of Dino Dennis was terrifying.

Cooney made Morrison look like Corey Spinks when it came to power on a left hook.
Tony Galento: A fat, balding, middle-aged man. Why do I relate to this man? Galento did nothing good and did nothing right, except for throw the left hook.
Yep. Alan Sugar attests that Galento, even in old age, could crumple a heavybag with his left hook.

Re: 19 greatest heavyweight left hooks +1

Posted: 07 Jul 2008, 20:22
by pound per pound
Big Bad John wrote:This is kind of ripped from another thread, but I thought it was worthy of a new topic. Here's my tentative list:

1. Joe Frazier: Sorry, Tyson fans. Tyson never put Muhammad Ali on his ass with his. As Buster Douglas and Evander Holyfield showed, Tyson's left hook could be neutralized. Every exchange you had with Frazier, the left hook was the defining punch.
2. Mike Tyson: When Mike Tyson had a solid head on his shoulders, he set up the left hook as beautifully as anyone in the history of boxing. Jab, right uppercut to the heart, long left hook as the other guy was pulling away. Or he'd simply wing away. The problem is that he didn't have anything else. When he winged away, he missed most of the time, but even when he didn't, he only had one way to set up that crushing left hook. Joe Frazier had a hundred.
3. Floyd Patterson: The credit for Patterson's "Gazelle" left hook should partially go to Cus D'amato, as he taught the same hook to Mike Tyson and Jose Torres. 99% of the power comes from your strong foot, the right foot.
4. Jim Jeffries: Before Floyd Patterson, Jim Jeffries threw the prototypical left hook, and he defined the left hook for three or four generations of fighters. Stories of his left hook have been passed down from trainer to pupil since the 1800s. But in a way, Jeffries's left hook was fundamentally flawed, as he was left-handed and left-footed. He got the power off the front foot instead of the back foot, and it wasn't until Cus D'amato that the purely back-footed left hook became a reality.
5. Joe Louis: You can't talk about any punch in boxing without talking about how Joe Louis threw it. The knowledge behind Louis's arsenal came from from the great Jack Blackburn, his trainer. Blackburn taught Louis to perfect every aspect of fighting, and the way he threw the left hook was simply perfect. Louis had a horrible habit of dropping his left hand, but he always kept his right hand by his chin. The hook might've been his most technically perfect punch.
6. Tommy Morrison: Tommy Morrison took that D'amato left hook and put it on a 6'2", 225-pound frame. He might have had the best pure hook boxing's ever seen, only his chin was weak, so he couldn't trade it with the best fighters out there. Give David Tua Morrison's left hook or Morrison Tua's chin, and you have a monster.
7. David Tua: For pure power, might be #1, but he didn't throw it often enough, and he didn't keep his right hand up the way Louis and Jeffries did, and he didn't have the range of Patterson, Tyson and Morrison. He was excellent at blocking the left hook, unless he happened to be throwing one himself. He threw the double- and triple-jab, but never doubled up to the body.
8. Cleveland Williams: Williams had a more traditional left hook, combined with murderous power and a murderous reach. It's interesting to watch his matches with Sonny Liston. Liston had more range on the jab, but Williams had more range on the hook.
9. Jack Dempsey: What made Demspey's hook so dangerous is the way he targeted different areas with it, the floating ribs, the point of the chin, the solar plexus, the temple, the jaw - even the groin. In combinations it was deadly, 190 pounds or no 190 pounds.
10. Sonny Liston: Sonny Liston was a simple man, and a simple fighter. As an amateur and early professional, he knocked people out with the jab. Then he learned the hook, and then he learned the right hand. No one knows if he was a lefty or a righty - no one saw him write - but most people assume he was left handed.
11. Wladimir Klitschko: "When was the last time you saw a heavyweight throw a double left hook to the body and then the head," was Jim Lampley's commentary. He also claimed that Klitschko was the only heavyweight he'd ever seen throw the triple left hook, even though David Tua'd been doing it for years. HBO hype aside, Wladimir Klitschko, with his 6'6", 240-pound frame, throws a mean left hook. His jab-left hook is a uniquely dangerous weapon in boxing today.
12. Razor Ruddock: It's really, really hard ranking a crushing left hook like Ruddock's below those of such smaller men, and while I'll admit ranking Patterson so highly is mostly out of historical value, I've yet to see any human being throw the hook like a 205-pound Joe Frazier. Watch how Morrison fought Ruddock. He didn't even as much as cock the left hook until late in the fight. The first hook he threw floored Ruddock, and led to 70 unanswered punches that ended the fight.
13. Gerry Cooney: Along with Ruddock, it's hard to rank Cooney's hook, because he only beat fighters who were past it. Sure, Cooney was big for the early 1980s, but what great fighter did he take down with it?
14. Henry Cooper: Like Cooney, Cooper didn't have much besides the left hook. He lacked the size of Cooney and other more recent fighters, but he hurt Ali with it. Don't buy that bullshit about the break between rounds being more than five seconds more than it should have been; it wasn't. But Cooper put Ali down, hard.
15. Lennox Lewis: What a lot of people forget about Lewis was how many weapons he had. He arguably had the best right hand ever, and his jab was painfully efficient at finding range and setting up other weapons. The hook might have even been his fourth-best punch after the uppercut, but he carried a lot of power and speed on it.
16. Muhammad Ali: Out of all the people on this list, he had the weakest left hook. But he also had the fastest. Ali would land this punch over and over again, almost at will. He ranks so low because he was badly open to the left hook counter.
17. Jersey Joe Walcott: Again, I'm hesitant about ranking sub-200-pound heavyweights as regards to punching power. As I've said before, it's hard to compare eras and weight classes. A lot of people don't talk about Walcott specifically. He beat Joe Louis, no matter what the judges said. He sent Louis to the canvas twice, and Marciano to the canvas once. Jack Dempsey once said that Rocky Marciano was the best heavyweight ever because he won the World Championship with one punch, but Walcott did it, too. Although Walcott was officially 194 and Charles 182, there were rumors flying that Charles was 168 leading up to the bout, and at fight time, he looked 20 or 30 pounds lighter than Walcott.
18. Rocky Marciano: For a 187-pound fighter who's best hand was the right, Marciano might not seem like the type to make this list, but the surgery done to Roland LaStarza's right arm says otherwise.
19. Tony Galento: A fat, balding, middle-aged man. Why do I relate to this man? Galento did nothing good and did nothing right, except for throw the left hook. He didn't have as solid an understanding of the fundamentals as even Butterbean did, or maybe he knew more than he let on, because that hook of his put a lot of people out. [/list]
  • Honorable (pound-for-pound) Mention: Floyd Mayweather. I know it isn't popular to sing Floyd's praises, but there's some serious technical greatness behind Mayweather's success. He could throw a right cross faster than anyone could throw a jab, but the versatility of Mayweather's left hook was simply unreal. He could throw every left hook mentioned above and then some. Sure, he didn't fight everyone he could have but since Ali, who has? Heck, before Ali, who has?
Nice effort. I think Frazier and Patterson might be a tad high though. And Ali should not rate as a top left hooker.

I would have used Robert Fitzsimmons, and Sam McVey over Ali and Henry Cooper.

Thanks again.

P4P

Re: 19 greatest heavyweight left hooks +1

Posted: 07 Jul 2008, 20:26
by Robinson
ebeneezer wrote:

Yep. Alan Sugar attests that Galento, even in old age, could crumple a heavybag with his left hook.

Alan Sugar said so.

Re: 19 greatest heavyweight left hooks +1

Posted: 07 Jul 2008, 22:52
by Big Bad John
I have to admit that I was pretty drunk when I wrote that last night. Of course, Sam McVey should've been on there. I thought about putting Shavers on there as well. I can't imagine ranking anyone over Joe Frazier, though. Henry Cooper landed one of the greatest left hooks of all time against Clay. I'm not going to rank 165-pound Bob Fitzsimmons over him.

This isn't a pound-for-pound list, but at the same time, I wanted to include historic value. Without Floyd Patterson and Joe Frazier, who would Mike Tyson and Tony Morrison have modeled their left hooks after?

Re: 19 greatest heavyweight left hooks +1

Posted: 07 Jul 2008, 23:00
by Seamus
Tony Morrison as in the Bluest Eyes ?

Re: 19 greatest heavyweight left hooks +1

Posted: 07 Jul 2008, 23:03
by Big Bad John
ebeneezer wrote:
it's hard to rank Cooney's hook, because he only beat fighters who were past it. Sure, Cooney was big for the early 1980s, but what great fighter did he take down with it?
None. But mutilating Jimmy Young's face and breaking Ron Lyle's ribs in the first round is a sign of pure power. Also Cooney's left hook KO of Dino Dennis was terrifying.

Cooney made Morrison look like Corey Spinks when it came to power on a left hook.
Sorry I didn't respond to this right away. I have you on "ignore," and I don't usually read your posts.

Cooney had a lot of power on the hook, but even at 6'6", he didn't have anywhere near the range Morrison had, or the speed/accuracy/intelligence/etc...

Re: 19 greatest heavyweight left hooks +1

Posted: 07 Jul 2008, 23:30
by Seamus
Seriously, it's a well thought out list, BUT Tommy Morrison ? His left hook only appeared devastating because it was landing on washed up faded contenders. Morrison's greatest ever achievement was lasting 6 rounds with Lennox Lewis.

Re: 19 greatest heavyweight left hooks +1

Posted: 07 Jul 2008, 23:38
by Big Bad John
Range and accuracy mean something, too. He wasn't someone like Gerry Cooney who had to get pretty close to throw it; Morrison's left hook was an incredible weapon.

Re: 19 greatest heavyweight left hooks +1

Posted: 08 Jul 2008, 00:18
by Robinson
I think Morrison had a pretty nice hook. He threw it well as part of a
combination, and on its own, had good speed and power/

Re: 19 greatest heavyweight left hooks +1

Posted: 08 Jul 2008, 07:26
by p4p1
pound per pound wrote:
Big Bad John wrote:This is kind of ripped from another thread, but I thought it was worthy of a new topic. Here's my tentative list:

1. Joe Frazier: Sorry, Tyson fans. Tyson never put Muhammad Ali on his ass with his. As Buster Douglas and Evander Holyfield showed, Tyson's left hook could be neutralized. Every exchange you had with Frazier, the left hook was the defining punch.
2. Mike Tyson: When Mike Tyson had a solid head on his shoulders, he set up the left hook as beautifully as anyone in the history of boxing. Jab, right uppercut to the heart, long left hook as the other guy was pulling away. Or he'd simply wing away. The problem is that he didn't have anything else. When he winged away, he missed most of the time, but even when he didn't, he only had one way to set up that crushing left hook. Joe Frazier had a hundred.
3. Floyd Patterson: The credit for Patterson's "Gazelle" left hook should partially go to Cus D'amato, as he taught the same hook to Mike Tyson and Jose Torres. 99% of the power comes from your strong foot, the right foot.
4. Jim Jeffries: Before Floyd Patterson, Jim Jeffries threw the prototypical left hook, and he defined the left hook for three or four generations of fighters. Stories of his left hook have been passed down from trainer to pupil since the 1800s. But in a way, Jeffries's left hook was fundamentally flawed, as he was left-handed and left-footed. He got the power off the front foot instead of the back foot, and it wasn't until Cus D'amato that the purely back-footed left hook became a reality.
5. Joe Louis: You can't talk about any punch in boxing without talking about how Joe Louis threw it. The knowledge behind Louis's arsenal came from from the great Jack Blackburn, his trainer. Blackburn taught Louis to perfect every aspect of fighting, and the way he threw the left hook was simply perfect. Louis had a horrible habit of dropping his left hand, but he always kept his right hand by his chin. The hook might've been his most technically perfect punch.
6. Tommy Morrison: Tommy Morrison took that D'amato left hook and put it on a 6'2", 225-pound frame. He might have had the best pure hook boxing's ever seen, only his chin was weak, so he couldn't trade it with the best fighters out there. Give David Tua Morrison's left hook or Morrison Tua's chin, and you have a monster.
7. David Tua: For pure power, might be #1, but he didn't throw it often enough, and he didn't keep his right hand up the way Louis and Jeffries did, and he didn't have the range of Patterson, Tyson and Morrison. He was excellent at blocking the left hook, unless he happened to be throwing one himself. He threw the double- and triple-jab, but never doubled up to the body.
8. Cleveland Williams: Williams had a more traditional left hook, combined with murderous power and a murderous reach. It's interesting to watch his matches with Sonny Liston. Liston had more range on the jab, but Williams had more range on the hook.
9. Jack Dempsey: What made Demspey's hook so dangerous is the way he targeted different areas with it, the floating ribs, the point of the chin, the solar plexus, the temple, the jaw - even the groin. In combinations it was deadly, 190 pounds or no 190 pounds.
10. Sonny Liston: Sonny Liston was a simple man, and a simple fighter. As an amateur and early professional, he knocked people out with the jab. Then he learned the hook, and then he learned the right hand. No one knows if he was a lefty or a righty - no one saw him write - but most people assume he was left handed.
11. Wladimir Klitschko: "When was the last time you saw a heavyweight throw a double left hook to the body and then the head," was Jim Lampley's commentary. He also claimed that Klitschko was the only heavyweight he'd ever seen throw the triple left hook, even though David Tua'd been doing it for years. HBO hype aside, Wladimir Klitschko, with his 6'6", 240-pound frame, throws a mean left hook. His jab-left hook is a uniquely dangerous weapon in boxing today.
12. Razor Ruddock: It's really, really hard ranking a crushing left hook like Ruddock's below those of such smaller men, and while I'll admit ranking Patterson so highly is mostly out of historical value, I've yet to see any human being throw the hook like a 205-pound Joe Frazier. Watch how Morrison fought Ruddock. He didn't even as much as cock the left hook until late in the fight. The first hook he threw floored Ruddock, and led to 70 unanswered punches that ended the fight.
13. Gerry Cooney: Along with Ruddock, it's hard to rank Cooney's hook, because he only beat fighters who were past it. Sure, Cooney was big for the early 1980s, but what great fighter did he take down with it?
14. Henry Cooper: Like Cooney, Cooper didn't have much besides the left hook. He lacked the size of Cooney and other more recent fighters, but he hurt Ali with it. Don't buy that bullshit about the break between rounds being more than five seconds more than it should have been; it wasn't. But Cooper put Ali down, hard.
15. Lennox Lewis: What a lot of people forget about Lewis was how many weapons he had. He arguably had the best right hand ever, and his jab was painfully efficient at finding range and setting up other weapons. The hook might have even been his fourth-best punch after the uppercut, but he carried a lot of power and speed on it.
16. Muhammad Ali: Out of all the people on this list, he had the weakest left hook. But he also had the fastest. Ali would land this punch over and over again, almost at will. He ranks so low because he was badly open to the left hook counter.
17. Jersey Joe Walcott: Again, I'm hesitant about ranking sub-200-pound heavyweights as regards to punching power. As I've said before, it's hard to compare eras and weight classes. A lot of people don't talk about Walcott specifically. He beat Joe Louis, no matter what the judges said. He sent Louis to the canvas twice, and Marciano to the canvas once. Jack Dempsey once said that Rocky Marciano was the best heavyweight ever because he won the World Championship with one punch, but Walcott did it, too. Although Walcott was officially 194 and Charles 182, there were rumors flying that Charles was 168 leading up to the bout, and at fight time, he looked 20 or 30 pounds lighter than Walcott.
18. Rocky Marciano: For a 187-pound fighter who's best hand was the right, Marciano might not seem like the type to make this list, but the surgery done to Roland LaStarza's right arm says otherwise.
19. Tony Galento: A fat, balding, middle-aged man. Why do I relate to this man? Galento did nothing good and did nothing right, except for throw the left hook. He didn't have as solid an understanding of the fundamentals as even Butterbean did, or maybe he knew more than he let on, because that hook of his put a lot of people out. [/list]
  • Honorable (pound-for-pound) Mention: Floyd Mayweather. I know it isn't popular to sing Floyd's praises, but there's some serious technical greatness behind Mayweather's success. He could throw a right cross faster than anyone could throw a jab, but the versatility of Mayweather's left hook was simply unreal. He could throw every left hook mentioned above and then some. Sure, he didn't fight everyone he could have but since Ali, who has? Heck, before Ali, who has?
Nice effort. I think Frazier and Patterson might be a tad high though. And Ali should not rate as a top left hooker.

I would have used Robert Fitzsimmons, and Sam McVey over Ali and Henry Cooper.

Thanks again.

P4P
from a power aspect no but he had a lightining fast left hook that hit most times he threw it it was a great puinck and ali used it very well

Re: 19 greatest heavyweight left hooks +1

Posted: 08 Jul 2008, 07:33
by Ezzard
IMO top spot is between Frazier, Dempsey and Tyson... Those are my top 3.

Walcott and Louis would be up there too.

Why mention Floyd in p4p terms? I mean he is a great fighter but a p4p left hook has to go to Robinson or Foster or Leonard or Sanchez or Pintor or ..... Floyd is great for many, many reasons but I don't get it with the left hook...

Re: 19 greatest heavyweight left hooks +1

Posted: 08 Jul 2008, 07:37
by p4p1
Ezzard wrote:IMO top spot is between Frazier, Dempsey and Tyson... Those are my top 3.

Walcott and Louis would be up there too.

Why mention Floyd in p4p terms? I mean he is a great fighter but a p4p left hook has to go to Robinson or Foster or Leonard or Sanchez or Pintor or ..... Floyd is great for many, many reasons but I don't get it with the left hook...
he mentioned it because of the versitility of floyds left hook

Re: 19 greatest heavyweight left hooks +1

Posted: 08 Jul 2008, 07:55
by TheOneIsHere2008
That's a great list...You know your boxers...

Re: 19 greatest heavyweight left hooks +1

Posted: 08 Jul 2008, 09:32
by ebeneezer
Big Bad John wrote:Sorry I didn't respond to this right away. I have you on "ignore," and I don't usually read your posts.
Then how the fuk did you see the post if you have it on ignore? Lying big foreheaded dipshit.

And clean that pigsty of a house

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOIYchhWI1c

Re: 19 greatest heavyweight left hooks +1

Posted: 08 Jul 2008, 11:28
by Big Bad John
Floyd Mayweather did have a great left hook. Probably not the best ever pound-for-pound, but I thought I'd give him a mention.

Re: 19 greatest heavyweight left hooks +1

Posted: 05 Feb 2015, 13:25
by Ezzard
Bump

Re: 19 greatest heavyweight left hooks +1

Posted: 05 Feb 2015, 13:34
by Seamus
I think that was Decagon. Wonder what he's up to these days.