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No one in history could take shots to the body like Ali. Both Foreman and Frazier would have crippled lesser men with some of the shots that they delivered to his body...and he just took it in stride.

Has it ever been documented just what Ali said to King at the end of the fight? Ali says something to him and the look on Kings face is the look of someone who just got news that their home was just foreclosed.

BoxBuzz wrote:No one in history could take shots to the body like Ali. Both Foreman and Frazier would have crippled lesser men with some of the shots that they delivered to his body...and he just took it in stride.

Has it ever been documented just what Ali said to King at the end of the fight? Ali says something to him and the look on Kings face is the look of someone who just got news that their home was just foreclosed.

King probably wanted Foreman to win...If you remember when Frazier fought Foreman in Kingston he rode to the fight with Frazier and rode back from it with Foreman...He said "I came with the champ and left with the champ."...He's a user...I remember when Larry Holmes said King refused to lend him fifty dollars when he was a young fighter...

I remember listening to that fight on the radio as a ten year old...I lived in Orlando but I picked up a Charlotte station, WSB, I believe ,that was giving a description of the action after each round...The feed from Zaire was lost after the fourth round and the next feed had Ali winning by a knock out...I called up all my friends, most of whom had picked Foreman...I was so happy...

Watching the fight tonight I winced at some of the shots Ali took even though Foreman missed a lot... Every time I think if one of the shots to the head landed Ali would have been taken out on a stretcher...

I remember reading that after he tired George out he wanted to dance around him for a few rounds and make him look foolish...But then he thought better of it because Foreman might get a second wind...

That and The Thrilla In Manilla are my favorite fights...Ali had stones...He mades his bones in first carnation in the sixties by not getting hit...He made his bones in the seventies by getting hit by some of the most powerful punchers in heavyweight history (Foreman, Frazier, and Shavers) and keep coming back...

Again? For the millionth time? zzzzzzzzzzzz

elmersalsa wrote:Again? For the millionth time? zzzzzzzzzzzz

Things I never tire watching

The Godfather

Goodfellas

Scarface

and "The Rumble In The Jungle"

TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:

elmersalsa wrote:Again? For the millionth time? zzzzzzzzzzzz

Things I never tire watching

The Godfather

Goodfellas

Scarface

and "The Rumble In The Jungle"

I'd would rather watch the first 3 any time at any day....the Rumble in the Jungle?.....mmmmmmmm. We got to have better fights to watch or better things to do. Great fight, though.

elmersalsa wrote:

TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:

elmersalsa wrote:Again? For the millionth time? zzzzzzzzzzzz

Things I never tire watching

The Godfather

Goodfellas

Scarface

and "The Rumble In The Jungle"

I'd would rather watch the first 3 any time at any day....the Rumble in the Jungle?.....mmmmmmmm. We got to have better fights to watch or better things to do. Great fight, though.

I'm biased... I also like "The Brawl In Montreal" "Leonard-Duran ll", "Leonard-Hagler, , "Leonard-Benitez, "Leonard-Hearns l", "Frazier-Foreman l" "Tyson-Lewis" and "Hagler-Hearns" and any fight with Ali except the Spinks l , Holmes 1, and Berbick l

PEACE

Yeah I'm a sucker for some old fights. Foreman vs Lyle is on my several times a year list.

BoxBuzz wrote:Yeah I'm a sucker for some old fights. Foreman vs Lyle is on my several times a year list.

There are some posters who would say those fights are too current for them...My favorite was when Foreman fought five guys in one night...It was straight out of wrestling...

This was the fight I most anticipated watching. I had read about it endlessly. But my imagination was actually too inspired. I wanted to see Ali take a pasting and come back but that's not what I saw... I have to admit that I was pretty disappointed watching this as a 12 year old.

I saw Ali control the fight from round one. His shots are like arrows going right through Foreman's defence (what there was of it). Then all I saw from George was a lot of wide swinging misses and those that got through seemed to be smothered and partially deflected...

This was the first film I ever saw of Foreman and so was not used to seeing him bowling everyone over. I would also come to appreciate what he was trying to do in there with some of that pushing and slapping. Up until this point I had only read about him.

It is very different watching in retrospect. The fights can never have the same impact if you know the result and the way everything panned out afterwards (though nobody expected George to win it all over again in the 90s).

Ezzard wrote:This was the fight I most anticipated watching. I had read about it endlessly. But my imagination was actually too inspired. I wanted to see Ali take a pasting and come back but that's not what I saw... I have to admit that I was pretty disappointed watching this as a 12 year old.

I saw Ali control the fight from round one. His shots are like arrows going right through Foreman's defence (what there was of it). Then all I saw from George was a lot of wide swinging misses and those that got through seemed to be smothered and partially deflected...

This was the first film I ever saw of Foreman and so was not used to seeing him bowling everyone over. I would also come to appreciate what he was trying to do in there with some of that pushing and slapping. Up until this point I had only read about him.

It is very different watching in retrospect. The fights can never have the same impact if you know the result and the way everything panned out afterwards (though nobody expected George to win it all over again in the 90s).

Just because you can punch harder doesn't mean you are the strongest fighter...Ali actually "wrestled" him a couple of times into a headlock ...He also leaned on him in the clinches to tire him out...That's my favorite Ali fight....That and the Thriller In Manilla... And surprsingly the second Spinks fight...It was like a rock show or carnival atmosphere in the SuperDome that night....I don't know if they showed the pre-fight wait in the U K or not...But in the the nationally televised fight they did...Willie Nelson and John Travolta were with Ali in the dressing room and Travolta kissed Ali on the cheek a la Jean Pierre Coopman...I'll bet no man ever kissed Rocky.... Anyway I said to my friend "who said it's lonely at the top"...

Also, here's an intersting anecdote:


According to Muhammad Ali, D'Amato gave him important advice before Ali departed for Zaire to fight Foreman in the famed Rumble in the Jungle fight. D'Amato allegedly said "I have only once piece of advice for you. You must hurt Foreman with your first punch. Foreman has the psychology of a bully. If you hurt him early, it will destroy his mind. Whatever you do, have bad intentions behind your first punch."


This reminiscing is making me feel old...

I read it was a sixteen foot ring...I thought a standard ring was twenty feet and a large ring was twenty four feet...

I wonder why they settled on a sixteen foot ring...Perhaps Ali knew all along he wasn't going to dance and wanted George to waste his time training as if he was going to...

TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:I read it was a sixteen foot ring...I thought a standard ring was twenty feet and a large ring was twenty four feet...

I wonder why they settled on a sixteen foot ring...Perhaps Ali knew all along he wasn't going to dance and wanted George to waste his time training as if he was going to...

dont know, but if thats true, you'd think the people wanted Foreman to kill Ali.

observer1 wrote:

TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:I read it was a sixteen foot ring...I thought a standard ring was twenty feet and a large ring was twenty four feet...

I wonder why they settled on a sixteen foot ring...Perhaps Ali knew all along he wasn't going to dance and wanted George to waste his time training as if he was going to...

dont know, but if thats true, you'd think the people wanted Foreman to kill Ali.

I was trying to find a citation but can't find any discussion of the ring size...I'm sure that's what I heard...

What was the story on ring size , rounds,and glove weight for Hagler-Leonard? Didn't Hagler make some "accomodations" ?

TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:

observer1 wrote:

TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:I read it was a sixteen foot ring...I thought a standard ring was twenty feet and a large ring was twenty four feet...

I wonder why they settled on a sixteen foot ring...Perhaps Ali knew all along he wasn't going to dance and wanted George to waste his time training as if he was going to...

dont know, but if thats true, you'd think the people wanted Foreman to kill Ali.

I was trying to find a citation but can't find any discussion of the ring size...I'm sure that's what I heard...

What was the story on ring size , rounds,and glove weight for Hagler-Leonard? Didn't Hagler make some "accomodations" ?

Yes, the Leonard people requested a ring the size of a football field and gloves the size of pillows.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kJdd6T5-xA

LOL