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I'll take Lennox...

247 lbs Lewis vs 185 lbs Marciano.

Has to be Lewis. Marciano was amazing, but putting him in against a guy that much bigger than him would be very unfair.

Asterix wrote:247 lbs Lewis vs 185 lbs Marciano.

Has to be Lewis. Marciano was amazing, but putting him in against a guy that much bigger than him would be very unfair.

I concur...I will wait for the dissenters...

After all, there are gentlemen here who believe Sam Langford would beat Lennox and he's nearly a foot shorter...

Well, since everyone has been picking Lewis, we can't have much of a discussion without a dissenting opinion, I"ll take Rocky.

The size discrepancy is large, and I do think Lewis is an all-time great, but didn't you learn anything from David and Goliath.

Ok, seriously, I don't think it is automatic that Lewis beats anyone smaller than him. Rocky had a very solid chin, outstanding stamina, an incredible punch, always in peak fighting condition, and a very consistant performer who allways found a way to win.

Lewis was possibly the best moving big man ever; combining that with his excellent jab, intellegence, and decent power resulted in the best heavyweight of his time. His weak chin, inconsistant performances, and a reluctance to train hard during portions of his career does raise doubt about his ability to beat the best heavyweights of other times.

It is an interesting proposition, matching one of the smallest great heavyweights against one of the largest.

Asterix wrote:247 lbs Lewis vs 185 lbs Marciano.

Has to be Lewis. Marciano was amazing, but putting him in against a guy that much bigger than him would be very unfair.

Agreed. It would virtually be Heavyweight v Cruiserweight/Light HW.

Not taking anything away from Marciano, he was indeed an aggressive swarmer, but an Intelligent 240lbs man with a powerful punh would be too much for Marciano.

ill take rocky in this one, marciano just too tough. just joking. lennox just too big too strong

just the massive size of lewis makes it hard for marciano chucked in with theskill set he has and its just hard to see marciano winning

of course lewis wins but marciano is the greater heavyweight of the two.

harrygreb wrote:of course lewis wins but marciano is the greater heavyweight of the two.

How so?

Lewis by brutal ko in one.

raylawpc wrote:

harrygreb wrote:of course lewis wins but marciano is the greater heavyweight of the two.

How so?

because he is from the 50's and he nevre lost

Rocky pounds Lewis to the ground.

Marciano wins by KO round 5/6.

Lennox wins by an easy UD. Too big, too skilled, and Rock would be sucking on a jab all night.

Crease wrote:Rocky pounds Lewis to the ground.

Marciano wins by KO round 5/6.

Lewis is 6'5'' and 250...Rocky is 5'9'' and 185...If Lewis fights a patient fight it's conceivable he kills Marciano through cumulative punishment if the ref doesn't intercede...If Tyson didn't stay down in that eighth round he would have ended up in a vegetative state...

I agree, Lewis jab would work on Marciano... But not enough to defeat The Rock...

Rocky could walk through his jabs for 11 rounds and still have the power to adminsiter the KO punch on Lennox... It would be a defensive fight for Lewis... He just couldn't go forward against Rocky... Rocky had more stamina than Lewis and was stronger...

The Jab in effect, is Lennox's only weapon.

Crease wrote:I agree, Lewis jab would work on Marciano... But not enough to defeat The Rock...

Rocky could walk through his jabs for 11 rounds and still have the power to adminsiter the KO punch on Lennox... It would be a defensive fight for Lewis... He just couldn't go forward against Rocky... Rocky had more stamina than Lewis and was stronger...

The Jab in effect, is Lennox's only weapon.

I am assuming it's Lennox and Rocky on the best nights of their lives...Not the Lewis who can fall asleep in the ring...Lewis is just so big and strong and Rocky is so relentless that it's a prescription for one fighter getting seriously hurt and that would probably be the smaller fighter...Lewis was a legit big man...He was no Primo Carnera, Buter Mathis, or Ernie Terrell...

I know Tyson was past it but if Tyson gets back up Lennox might have literally killed him,,,

The thing with Marciano is this, virtually every opponent he faced had the physical best of it over him. Whether people want to acknowledge it or not Marciano did face a few men in excess of 6' and 200 pounds, and knocked them out in his earlier career...people vastly under-rate Marciano's ability to get on the inside; Lewis always had problems when he was swarmed [when his opponents took the initiative rather than be intimidated by his size].

HomicideHenry wrote:The thing with Marciano is this, virtually every opponent he faced had the physical best of it over him. Whether people want to acknowledge it or not Marciano did face a few men in excess of 6' and 200 pounds, and knocked them out in his earlier career...people vastly under-rate Marciano's ability to get on the inside; Lewis always had problems when he was swarmed [when his opponents took the initiative rather than be intimidated by his size].

Lennox isn't a normal six footer...He's 6'5'' amd 240 to 260 pounds...He's not a 6'1 200 pound Joe Louis...

Crease wrote:The Jab in effect, is Lennox's only weapon.

Have you conveniently forgotten about Lewis's big right hand?

SteveO wrote:

Crease wrote:The Jab in effect, is Lennox's only weapon.

Have you conveniently forgotten about Lewis's big right hand?

Mike Tyson hasn't forgot:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8QSbNQobYw

A prime Marciano is so far above the Tyson that Lewis beat, it's not even funny.

Could Lewis win? Of course. But these aren't equals in all departments with Lewis just being bigger.. Marciano has the superior beard, far superior stamina, and is much more active. Lewis for his part has the superior inside strength and the big advantages in height and reach.

Marciano is a much harder to hit target than a shot Tyson, but he'll undoubtly be starting the fight in the rough with Lewis piling on points early and scoring some clean uppercuts. Rocky for his part will be digging in shots to the body and forcing Lewis to work much more than he was forced vs a fat Tua or a robotic Bruno. In a 12 round fight, Lewis might be able to pull off a points win. Over 15, Marciano scores a Margarito-esque late knockout.

Marciano KO Lewis in not more than three rounds

I think Lewis wins this, but if Rocky lands, its goodnight vienna! Can you imagine seeign that - a little guy like Marciano compared to Lewis land a viscious shot right on the chin of Lewis? That would be a sight if it happened, but I see Lewis' physical advantages being too much for Ricky to overcome.

Like i said earlier, Lewis wins a pretty simple UD, or at best a Late Stoppage.

But to compare Marciano to a 2002 Tyson is pretty far off.....

IMO, a Prime Tyson would beat a Prime Lewis any day. But the 2002 Tyson obviously showed up for the paycheck, and although a brave performance, there was only one possible result from the start.

A Prime Tyson and a Prime Marciano are 2 completley different fighters:

My Observation on the two in their primes...

-A Prime Tyson weight at around 220lbs.
-A Prime Marciano at 185lbs.

-A Prime Tyson did not look for the 1 KO punch, and used his shorter height to his advantage by creating more leverage with his Punches. His Peak-A-Boo technique was perfect against taller opponenets and Tyson was seemingly elusive in the ring.
-A Prime Marciano was a very tough slugger, usually trading punches at all times. Because of his technique he always got hit. He got back up mind you, but was an easy target for his opponenets.

A Prime Tyson be able to take on Lewis's Questionable chin, and move on the inside. Lewis's Jab will not be enough against Prime Tyson along with his elusive Peak-a-Boo technique. Lewis WILL get hit every so often, and against a 220lbs Monster like Tyson, Lewis could easily be KO's or TKO's in the latter rounds.

A Prime Marciano, although not as elusive as Tyson, Will get on the inside now and again, but a 185lbs Punch against a 220-240lbs Lewis will not do much damage, especially when compared to Tyson. On Top of that, Marciano would be an easy target for Lewis, who would not mind sitting back using his Jab and Right hand against a Dangerous fighter like Marciano. This will mean Marciano would be getting to few Big hits against a much much bigger and taller man.

Not to take anything away from Marciano, but most of his opponents were a similar weight. at around 180-200 lbs. So he was capable of knocking these fighters out, but even then he was floored several times by the same weight. I have no doubt in my mind that Marciano would struggle against a 235lbs 6'5 Lewis.

Tyson > Lewis > Marciano.

Prime Lewis stops Prime Marciano late. Lewis was very intelligent, very athletic, and very powerful when he decided to be. He was solid defensively and was an excellent boxer. Marciano would give Lennox a lot of trouble throughout the fight with his swarming and durability, but Lewis' power shots would be tearing his face up something awful and hurting him worse than virtually any other fighter he faced. Marciano was an excellent fighter, but his flaws are easy enough for a highly skilled behemoth like Lewis to exploit.