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Why This Obsession With Heavyweights ?
Posted: 09 Aug 2008, 22:29
by Seamus
Never understood it myself. So there the biggest, just like Super Heavyweight weightlifters or wrestlers, but throughout boxing's history it's consistently been the most disappointing division. Yet it seems the heavyweights are always the most popular topic by a very wide margin. All this despite the fact that there hasen't been a truly exciting heavyweight since Mike Tyson was in his prime. In just about every decade in boxing history, the most exciting fighters have consistently been in the lower weights. The lighter you go, the more speed and punching you see. Give me 2 top class Flyweights instead of a heavyweight snooze fest anyday.
Re: Why This Obsession With Heavyweights ?
Posted: 09 Aug 2008, 23:07
by generic screen name
I dunno whats the obsession w/Heavyweights either. There is some boxing fans here that can remember guys like Jaleel McCline, if he were in another weightclass he'd be considered a uberscrub!
Even in the old fights, I still like the lighter weight fights better. I mean, you don't get fights like Mancini/Frias, Chacon/Limon, or even James Kirkland/Allen Conyers fights in the heavyweight class.
Its crazy when you watch a heavyweight undercard to a lightweight fight. I always think "wow this is waaay better!!"
Re: Why This Obsession With Heavyweights ?
Posted: 10 Aug 2008, 01:40
by granberry
Why This Obsession With Heavyweights
So true.
Re: Why This Obsession With Heavyweights ?
Posted: 10 Aug 2008, 06:54
by funso banjo baby
u get a premium with heavyweights
rocky's suzie q
ingo's bingo
clays anchor punch
enery's ammer
its fun stuff
Re: Why This Obsession With Heavyweights ?
Posted: 10 Aug 2008, 10:47
by theone
Take away the p4p stuff and usually, the toughest, strongest fighters in the sport are heavyweights. Thats all the casual or occasional fans care about, and there a hell of alot more of them than us die hards.
I remember years ago, when JC Chavez was the consesus pick for p4p best fighter; a friend of mine, a casual fan, asked me who I thought the best fighter in the world was.
I told him Chavez and he looked at me like i had two heads. "He could beat Tyson?! Bullshit!" he said.
I tried to explain the whole p4p thing but he wasn't hearing it.
Re: Why This Obsession With Heavyweights ?
Posted: 10 Aug 2008, 11:41
by TheOneIsHere2008
There is a fascination with the heavyweight division because the best middleweight in the world knows a mediocre heavyweight can hand his head to him and and the best flyweight in the world knows a mediocre middleweight can hand his head to him...
That being said, many , many lower weight fighter have caught the hard core as well as the casual fan's attention...
Re: Why This Obsession With Heavyweights ?
Posted: 10 Aug 2008, 12:29
by granberry
TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:There is a fascination with the heavyweight division because the best middleweight in the world knows a mediocre heavyweight can hand his head to him and and the best flyweight in the world knows a mediocre middleweight can hand his head to him...
Thomas Hauser and Sports Illustrated have never let TheOne
know of the existence of Harry Greb, Mickey Walker, Stanley Ketchel.
TheOne exists in a VERY insulated area.
LOL
Re: Why This Obsession With Heavyweights ?
Posted: 10 Aug 2008, 16:26
by TheOneIsHere2008
granberry wrote:TheOneIsHere2008 wrote:There is a fascination with the heavyweight division because the best middleweight in the world knows a mediocre heavyweight can hand his head to him and and the best flyweight in the world knows a mediocre middleweight can hand his head to him...
Thomas Hauser and Sports Illustrated have never let TheOne
know of the existence of Harry Greb, Mickey Walker, Stanley Ketchel.
TheOne exists in a VERY insulated area.
LOL
I am impressed that you are so enthralled with me that you follow me around like a puppy from thread to thread...I almost feel bad that I picked on you, almost...
But if you expect me to roll you over on your tummy and tickle you, you best get those thoughts out of your mind...
:P
Re: Why This Obsession With Heavyweights ?
Posted: 11 Aug 2008, 20:23
by granberry
collins/TheOne doesn't know that Harry Greb fought and sometimes beat a number of heavyweights, including Bill Brennan and Billy Miske.
collins/TheOne doesn't know that Mickey Walker fought and sometimes beat a number of heavyweights including Jonny Risko.
collins/TheOne doesn't know that Mickey Walker fought a draw with Jack Sharkey.
collins/TheOne doesn't know that Stanley Ketchel fought and sometimes beat a number of heavyweights.
WHY doesn't collins/TheOne know these basic facts of boxing history?
ANSWER:
Because Thomas Hauser and Sports Illustrated and other promoters of The Religion of Ali
do not tell collins/TheOne such things.
Re: Why This Obsession With Heavyweights ?
Posted: 11 Aug 2008, 21:18
by Robinson
I am a big fan of the HW's, but I am aware of the
other divisions. I dont know why I like the big men.
I am a fan of boxing, but I love the HW's.
Re: Why This Obsession With Heavyweights ?
Posted: 12 Aug 2008, 05:25
by observer1
Guys like Muhammed Ali, Frazier and Foreman etc. and their Media frenzy fights in AND out of the ring.
Mike Tyson.
there is a lot of "obsession" for other fighters, such as Naz for his entrance antics, Hopkins and RJJ. Mayweather and Hatton etc.
But their all in different weight classes. Usually changing.
Where as the HW's where always HW's and at the same time more happened in the HW's, than say welter or light or middle etc.
Re: Why This Obsession With Heavyweights ?
Posted: 12 Aug 2008, 06:36
by funso banjo baby
Robinson wrote:I am a big fan of the HW's, but I am aware of the
other divisions. I dont know why I like the big men.
I am a fan of boxing, but I love the HW's.
the history of the heavyweights is the history of boxing innit ?
broughton
mendoza
pearce
gully
cribb
spring etc
Re: Why This Obsession With Heavyweights ?
Posted: 12 Aug 2008, 09:19
by Ambling Alp
I think one thing that hurts the lower weight fighters is that it's hard to follow other divisions because fighters change weight classes so much. There are a lot of guys that you have to stop and think what weight class they are currently in. There are so many weight classes and some of them are so close together that a guy will fight one weight class for a couple of years, move up, and in another couple of years move up again.
In most weight classes you don't have the same top fighters for any length of time. For example, say you like lightweights. Within 3 years, the Top 10 in the lightweight division will be almost completely different. People like familiarity.
The whole idea that the complexion of a fight could change at any time is what interests a lot of people.
I agree that many heavyweight fights (especially in this crappy era) are boring. Two guys waddling around throwing one or two big punches a round which usually don't land.
Usually there is a lot more action in a fight at a lower weight class.
At it's best though, there is nothing in sports like a big-time heavyweight fight.