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I had a dream last night that Australian boxing was like UFC. Centrally run. Well publicised. Great crowds. Well known and celebrated marquee fighters and bulldog battlers. The best fight the best. Good purses. And I woke up sweating, like a man possessed. A man with a plan.

Now that the ANBF website has been hijacked by the dark forces of the combined death squadrons of Hostex Hosting Services and the multinational mercenary tribes of the Alphabet soups, the moment has come.

lts time we the people take action through the smoke and confusion of our darkest hour.

Consider:

- Less than 100 professional boxers left in Australia. (5 pro, 95 semipro)

- Alphabet madness. Pan African/Latino/IBA/PABA/ IBO/OPBF/OPSM/WORLDYOUTH/ WBF/10CC/OPPYEAHUKNOWME/

Is this creating opportunity or confusing the joe public we need to grow the sport and devaluing the real thing?

- Boxers paid $200 a round.

- Boxers selling tickets before fights to get paid.

- Boxers and trainers begging for sponsors. Trainers not only not being paid but subsidising fighters.

- AMA roaming free like a wild brumby to say what it likes without any logical counterargument

- Jubilation when Channel 10 bumps "Mass for you at home" and "Hillsong" for Klitschko water torture

- The only sport with foolish fanatics who will pay $50 for 30 seconds of entertainment

We'll be back to Kimbo Slice bareknuckle if we continue at this clip.

However there is an army of fanatics ready to march, to counterattack and claim back the Australian titles, to march on and introduce the Peoples rating system.

A motley new e-government is formed. Uncorruptible much like the US e-voting system. The panel forms in a similar fashion to the Academy award voters in which a select group of independent, and uncorruptible lonewolves democratically share and view fights from around the nation via a robust centralised online storehouse. A monthly formguide is produced and published in all media. Old school still works big time for boxing. All are welcome, the more the merrier.

Key rules of the new e-government.

- Only Australian and state titles fights form part of the ratings.

- 6 Major Australian belt cards a year around Australia

- Only Australian champions can challenge for PABA and OPBF and the 4 Major regional belts.

- Return to 12 rounds for Australian titles, 10 for State titles (Sorry Brad but we can't agree on everything)

The revolution will not be televised and the current "Smart State" ANBF administrators are not the tech savviest so our plans are safe here in the forum badlands.

The time has come. Boxing has never been weaker since the first prize fight on the road to Botany in 1814.

The revolution can be nice and clean like Fletcher Christian relieving Captain Bligh of Duty. "I assure you, sir, that the execution of my duties is entirely unaffected by my private opinion of you."

Imagine a world in which:

- The ANBF website had rich historical data and multimedia belt by belt lineage all the way back to the bareknuckle era till now. The unbroken line of champions mapping Australia's rich colonial, immigrant and indigenous history.

- All of Australia knew who the current Australian champions were

- We held Commonwealth titles and revived our great rivalry with Britain instead of being Euro cannon fodder

- We didnt hold African and Latino belts in Australia

- We had sponsorship no brainers like meaningful State of Origin state champion nights

- We held annual Ashes series between Australian and English Champions and hosted other rivalries as well. Japan would be a good one as would Thailand

- People didnt relinquish Aussie belts for alphabet jive

- Every pro fight around Australia was filmed and put online for analysis so our fighters aren't mysterious loch ness whispery secrets, shrouded in mystery.

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You can't have a strong house with weak foundations.

The time to take back the Green Australian Belt is now.

Ill Bite.

How much money would the belt need to lure the big name Aussies?

Ultimateboxa2 wrote:Nope.

And why would we call it Green?

Racism?

The thing you need to make a belt something respectable is a lot of $$$. Sanctioning fights and all this stuff.

Man you'd need a few mill.

christ you are not all there sometimes. "Shoot the visionary" should be your catch-cry.

The above has merit. We have discussed this several times on this forum in the last few months. The above is another good attempt at bringing things back together. However there needs to be an action plan. Can't work a good idea without one. Keep the ego's out, and bring in businesspeople, who understand the dollar, to make it happen. The latent supporter base is there, we just need the 'Frank Lowy type' of person to make it happen.

Unfortunately Boxa2, just throwing money at something is never the answer.

The Free to Air broadcast partner will underwrite the salary structure

Defending an Australian title should be paid $10,000
Challenging for an Australian title should be $5000.
Vacant title $7500 each.

All belts paid the same regardless of weight. All Australian belts can only be defended on these promotions. Not hometown jive in front of small crowds for short money. The belts are only as important as you make them.

If you are a bigger name fighter then you will be higher on the card and reap greater exposure benefits for your personal sponsors.

Also it would be great to have a max of 2 personal sponsors per fighter to be integrated into the broadcast with a live read. i.e when Hoppa comes out a slide appears with Smith Finance and Robbos Spare Parts logos and commentator does the live reads. Right now its difficult to see logos on the fighters robe or the corners T-shirt and I don't like tattoos on the back of fighters. If the personal sponsors could be delivered clear logo time and a quick live read presented in a classy fashion then you dont have to worry about getting 1.6 seconds of blurred logo time between rounds.

6-12 Major fightnights a year (all title fights) broadcast live on free to air. 30 and 10 day weigh ins with target weights.

Each belt must defend every 4 months or relinquish with a first right of refusal to regain the belt to the relinquisher should he recover from injury or make weight.

If Fighters want to be active they can defend it 6-7 times a year if they want to which is a $70,000 a year gross for fighter, manager, trainer to split. They will also build their profile and fan base. Add in sponsorship and we have full time fighters on $100,000, not starving but proud to walk the streets as homeowning contributing members of society. Half of our Australian champions are living on mates couches which can provide hunger but can be psychologically crippling. We don't have the Australian Sports Commission nipple to suck on so we need to package up those green belts into a clear and meaningful program of fights, link it in with the beautiful history of the belts and you have a broadcasters dream. And nobody can say they don't understand it now because "All these belts make it confusing"

To turn on FoxSports and see the Maori fighting the Filipino for the Pan African belt in Wyong is damaging our sport beyond belief.

And yes we don't yet have a free to air partner however 10 is bubbling nicely, SBS are waking from their slumber with a new 24 hour sports channel in the offing, 7 is about to lose the Olympics and Foxsports with a little bit competition at last could easily support the above structure.

Its Boxers finally getting paid like the talent they are.

Viva the green belt!

one of the best posts since i've been reading this forum, great vision and foresight. i am all for it but in reality i think we are up against it. like most sports ,GREED has killed off loyalty, common sense and enjoyment of the game. i am playing devils advocate, again, but for all of our good intentions there are those out there that will standby and watch it all happen. notice how many replies to this post against how many views there will be?? any help you need, i'm here.

OzSweetScience wrote:The Free to Air broadcast partner will underwrite the salary structure

Defending an Australian title should be paid $10,000
Challenging for an Australian title should be $5000.
Vacant title $7500 each.

All belts paid the same regardless of weight. All Australian belts can only be defended on these promotions. Not hometown jive in front of small crowds for short money. The belts are only as important as you make them.

If you are a bigger name fighter then you will be higher on the card and reap greater exposure benefits for your personal sponsors.

Also it would be great to have a max of 2 personal sponsors per fighter to be integrated into the broadcast with a live read. i.e when Hoppa comes out a slide appears with Smith Finance and Robbos Spare Parts logos and commentator does the live reads. Right now its difficult to see logos on the fighters robe or the corners T-shirt and I don't like tattoos on the back of fighters. If the personal sponsors could be delivered clear logo time and a quick live read presented in a classy fashion then you dont have to worry about getting 1.6 seconds of blurred logo time between rounds.

6-12 Major fightnights a year (all title fights) broadcast live on free to air. 30 and 10 day weigh ins with target weights.

Each belt must defend every 4 months or relinquish with a first right of refusal to regain the belt to the relinquisher should he recover from injury or make weight.

If Fighters want to be active they can defend it 6-7 times a year if they want to which is a $70,000 a year gross for fighter, manager, trainer to split. They will also build their profile and fan base. Add in sponsorship and we have full time fighters on $100,000, not starving but proud to walk the streets as homeowning contributing members of society. Half of our Australian champions are living on mates couches which can provide hunger but can be psychologically crippling. We don't have the Australian Sports Commission nipple to suck on so we need to package up those green belts into a clear and meaningful program of fights, link it in with the beautiful history of the belts and you have a broadcasters dream. And nobody can say they don't understand it now because "All these belts make it confusing"

To turn on FoxSports and see the Maori fighting the Filipino for the Pan African belt in Wyong is damaging our sport beyond belief.

And yes we don't yet have a free to air partner however 10 is bubbling nicely, SBS are waking from their slumber with a new 24 hour sports channel in the offing, 7 is about to lose the Olympics and Foxsports with a little bit competition at last could easily support the above structure.

Its Boxers finally getting paid like the talent they are.

Viva the green belt!

Okay sounds good.

Have a couple more questions.

The belt will not have legitimacy unless the best hold the belt.

How can you get guys like Kickett? To fight for $10 000. Because im pretty sure hed earn a lot more than that?

He's probably earned that once and that was when Mick Gatto fronted for him and St Clair.

There hasnt been a domestic $10,000 purse (when you are not the promoter as well) in a long time.

As they say Main Event fighters got paid $2000 in 1972, Main Event fighters got paid $2000 in 2008.

Its a semipro wilderness and only one way out.

Thank you for pointing that out Oz

OzSweetScience wrote:He's probably earned that once and that was when Mick Gatto fronted for him and St Clair.

There hasnt been a domestic $10,000 purse (when you are not the promoter as well) in a long time.

As they say Main Event fighters got paid $2000 in 1972, Main Event fighters got paid $2000 in 2008.

Its a semipro wilderness and only one way out.

Its probably because they have no personality.

Ultimateboxa2 wrote:

OzSweetScience wrote:He's probably earned that once and that was when Mick Gatto fronted for him and St Clair.

There hasnt been a domestic $10,000 purse (when you are not the promoter as well) in a long time.

As they say Main Event fighters got paid $2000 in 1972, Main Event fighters got paid $2000 in 2008.

Its a semipro wilderness and only one way out.

Its probably because they have no personality.

We have far more characters now than in any era since the Bareknuckle era. Tough Anglo's and Europeans, Eclectic Africans, Cool african americans, swinging polynesians, fun loving feisty filipinos, flashy aboriginals, West Indian jivers, Armenian Destoyers, thai scallywags, Cameroonian scorpions, Russian terminators.

The difference is that we are on cable. In 1972 Boxing was on 7 on TV Rinsgside, Channel 9 had Fight of the week, Channel 0 had TV fight night, the Sporting Globe and Fighter Magazine were widely read. We just knew more about them.

There is a great quote in Robert Dranes's book just out called The Fighting Trade.

“Todays fighters are household names in households that can afford cable”

And boxing is a working class sport.

Still. I do think claiming your the greatest, and rapping your way into the ring. Does work a treat.

But your right. We need free to air coverage.

Ultimateboxa2 wrote:Still. I do think claiming your the greatest, and rapping your way into the ring. Does work a treat.

But your right. We need free to air coverage.

yep, and thats why the attendances are down and the ppv buys as well. can only fool the people for so long.

Ultimateboxa2 wrote:Still. I do think claiming your the greatest, and rapping your way into the ring. Does work a treat.
But your right. We need free to air coverage.

however if you are not, it shows you are a d1ckhead.

toppity wrote:

Ultimateboxa2 wrote:Still. I do think claiming your the greatest, and rapping your way into the ring. Does work a treat.
But your right. We need free to air coverage.

however if you are not, it shows you are a d1ckhead.

How dare you!

unleash06 wrote:

Ultimateboxa2 wrote:Still. I do think claiming your the greatest, and rapping your way into the ring. Does work a treat.

But your right. We need free to air coverage.

yep, and thats why the attendances are down and the ppv buys as well. can only fool the people for so long.

But the thing is. You don't have to be the greatest. Even though you claim it. But if you are highly talented, people jump on.

If Kickett called out some Americans and said he was the greatest. He could fight chumps, and within his next 6 fights he would get a solid deal to fight, a lot better than what hes getting now.

Ultimateboxa2 wrote:

unleash06 wrote:

Ultimateboxa2 wrote:Still. I do think claiming your the greatest, and rapping your way into the ring. Does work a treat.

But your right. We need free to air coverage.

yep, and thats why the attendances are down and the ppv buys as well. can only fool the people for so long.

But the thing is. You don't have to be the greatest. Even though you claim it. But if you are highly talented, people jump on.
If Kickett called out some Americans and said he was the greatest. He could fight chumps, and within his next 6 fights he would get a solid deal to fight, a lot better than what hes getting now.

F UCK ME.......people are jumping off.......at a fast rate.

I can't see what a club fighter has to loose? Earning $2 grand a fight.

Ultimateboxa2 wrote:I can't see what a club fighter has to loose? Earning $2 grand a fight.

Thats $35 a day for an 8 week training camp and cutting weight and you have to pay a trainer, cutman, manager.

And if you get your teeth knocked out no health cover, no super, nothing. And thats why our numbers of registered boxers are falling away alarmingly.

OzSweetScience wrote:

Ultimateboxa2 wrote:I can't see what a club fighter has to loose? Earning $2 grand a fight.

Thats $35 a day for an 8 week training camp and cutting weight and you have to pay a trainer, cutman, manager.

And if you get your teeth knocked out no health cover, no super, nothing. And thats why our numbers of registered boxers are falling away alarmingly.

Damm i guess your right!

I now support the Green Belt!

great posts OSS.time to take it back indeed.

great post top idea

Ultimateboxa2 wrote:

unleash06 wrote:

Ultimateboxa2 wrote:Still. I do think claiming your the greatest, and rapping your way into the ring. Does work a treat.

But your right. We need free to air coverage.

yep, and thats why the attendances are down and the ppv buys as well. can only fool the people for so long.

But the thing is. You don't have to be the greatest. Even though you claim it. But if you are highly talented, people jump on.

If Kickett called out some Americans and said he was the greatest. He could fight chumps, and within his next 6 fights he would get a solid deal to fight, a lot better than what hes getting now.

Huh,

OzSweetScience you are 100% spot on.
Great thread, i hope and pray it happens, absolute positive for the sport, it would lure alot of tough kids with fantastic ability, who probally dont choose to go on to the professionals because of uncertain financial gain to stick with boxing and choose it as an occupation.
With channel 10 showing Australian boxing twice a month soon things can only look bright.

awesome Thread.