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i cant understand why some fighters go white collar when there obviously good enough for the pro ranks . doesnt seem to be an official rankings in white collar i can only assume that white collar pays better than the lower reaches of the pro game , i can understand for example Nicky Booth fighting white collar as i think hes banned anyway , but what other reasons could there be and also why do the promotors not just sign up as pro promotors and do it all pro , ive looked into promoting as white collar and theres reg fees and medicals etc in the particular organisation i was looking at , what does it take to go from white collar to pro , i only ask cos i know a few white collar boxers in notts that i beleive should go pro but looking for ammo to throw at them 1st .

lower level pros wont earn as much as white collar

not per fight but frequency fights, so per annum white collar would earn more

plus you fight bums in white collar, so its easier

as far as fight frequency though theres no reason why they couldnt fight around every 6 weeks if only in lower reaches which is probably around the same as white collar i reckon , so does low level pro pay more than white collar per fight ? approx. is there certain laws that pros adhere to that white collar dont do. i dont know ,maybe white collar anyone can ref whereas pro has to be an appointed qualified ref for example.?

If you're a decent boxer who might be good enough to turn pro, at White Collar / Unlicensed level you can easily fight every couple of weeks, because in general the standard of opponent is much poorer and you're more likely to stop guys early or come through with little damage.

That just means more paydays a year, and probably more money earnt than in the lower levels of the pro ranks, plus you can probably keep on with another job whilst your at it.

to be honest i think white collar is a general term for unlicensed.

Billy , so for them to go pro have they gotta pay £700 straight out before they can even fight or is that so much every now and then or to do with earnings etc. your probably a good person to ask seeing as you actually fight now , man i feel like an unofficial manager with all this lot but if i dont push them to acheive what they can then no one will . gotta be better than being burglars and stuff like some of them actually are , i wish i was 2 and a half stone lighter so that i could have a crack myself as i was a descent amateur as a kid. any info you can give me before i speak to the lads would be great cos i can give them advice so that the current people ive been in touch with cant take them for idiots and would personally prefer them to be pro for safety reason etc especially as one is my little brother

it now appears that British Boxing Federation , the governing body of many a white collar promotion are now petitioning to be recognised as a rival to BBofBC by the likes of WBC and the other major bodies , there claiming that they are going to hold the registrations of their fighters and promote all events themselves although still will allow "managers" of the fighters , they say this will make sure all fights are at least 60/40 if not 50/50 and that english ,welsh , scottish and british titles will all be relevant and hotly contested titles and not titles that are banded around to sell tickets , they claim to have clinched a TV deal and that within 3 years there title will be stronger than the current british title , they will still allow there fighters to fight none BBF Fighters and for other titles and in fact none BBF Fighters will be allowed onto their bills too . is this a good thing or just another alphabet belt , it will stop people like allegedly fwank being so controlling over who has the british titles etc , or are bbf just another promotor promising the world . what do u think

damianhucker1 wrote:it now appears that British Boxing Federation , the governing body of many a white collar promotion are now petitioning to be recognised as a rival to BBofBC by the likes of WBC and the other major bodies , there claiming that they are going to hold the registrations of their fighters and promote all events themselves although still will allow "managers" of the fighters , they say this will make sure all fights are at least 60/40 if not 50/50 and that english ,welsh , scottish and british titles will all be relevant and hotly contested titles and not titles that are banded around to sell tickets , they claim to have clinched a TV deal and that within 3 years there title will be stronger than the current british title , they will still allow there fighters to fight none BBF Fighters and for other titles and in fact none BBF Fighters will be allowed onto their bills too . is this a good thing or just another alphabet belt , it will stop people like allegedly fwank being so controlling over who has the british titles etc , or are bbf just another promotor promising the world . what do u think

I think I can help with some of this as I am part of the BBF. Firstly good answers from Billy, I think it is good to hear what a Pro thinks about White Collar or 'Self Regulated' boxing. As I understand it White Collar Boxing involves 2 non boxers stepping into the ring after a gruelling 12 week plan to turn them into boxers (or a version of a boxer), this is normally based at office workers who want to have a go, they use heavier 16oz gloves and wear headguards. The events were traditionally used to raise money for charity and don't always have winners or losers, at the end of a fight both fighters hands are raised (although this isn't always the case) and the refs are very strict to ensure the bouts are as safe as possible.
'Self Regulated' and you are going down the EBF / BBF route, where boxers train continuously and fight regularly, using (normally) 10oz gloves and no headguard. They are paid very well for 3, 4 and 6 round fights.
Will the 'BBF' or the 'EBF' get a television deal - probably, there are enough stations that one of them will pick it up, although I doubt very much that it would be one of the bigger ones. Will either of them ever be recognised so the results count, maybe but over a period of time. Bottom line is that this is a very different game to the pro game.
The thing that BBF and EBF promoters have going for them is the ability to bring in older, marquee talent such as Shavers, Tucker, Witherspoon etc., etc. as time goes on we will see more younger talent come over from the states and other countries looking to make a name for themselves here, Cliff Couser is a step in the right direction.

well if it does become recognised by the top authorities it can surly only help to have a rival for bbobc so they can start putting on real fights instead of letting certain promotors push them in certain directions . people moan about alphabet titles but this might be one people would welcome . interesting to hear from you though cos ive not seen much in the way of alternative organisations on here , although admittedly not been on here long

Non-BBBC shows (white collar, call it what you like) are actually in many ways similar to an amateur show - I like amateur shows. Fans turn up for the START of the event (not at some random point during the evening) and there are a series of generally well matched fights- a good evenings entertainment.

Pro boxing has reached the stage where the undercard is Pete Prospect or Colin Comeback V Freddy Foreign or Jimmy Journeyman, which often goes largely unnoticed by the crowd unless they are personal friends of the boxer involved. However, where pro boxing has a massive advantage is in the quality of the main event- which is what people have come to see, after all.

I've been to white collar shows- good fun- but without a real "climax" to the evening.

This is a link to meanmachines website giving an explanation for the benifits of Pro's Am's and semi-pro
http://www.meanmachine.biz/#/whysemipro/4527339686

Mean Machine are filling a void and do put on decent shows, having Mullings and Warren top of the bill in their next show puts FW to shame!
I wonder if Joe Pyle Jnr has any trouble off the BBBoC as he has a licence with them too, saying that I don't think he has put a pro show on for a while, which is a shame because his shows up in Leicester Square were first class

Bloody 'ell Billy now I know who used to nick all the meal tickets at my shows
Hope you are well mate, I'm certainly looking forward to getting our project off the ground our chat has whetted my appitite again. Speak soon. B

I think white-collar is being confused with unlicensed here.

I boxed on a white-collar boxing show at Gleasons Gym in NYC in 2000 and didn't get a penny! And as far as I know all The Real Fight Club shows in London (WC promotion shows) don't pay the boxers.