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Haven't seen it mentioned in here, but according to boxrec he is fighting this guy next.


http://www.boxrec.com/list_bouts.php?hu ... &cat=boxer

Thoughts?

It looks like that guy can punch a bit - that'll be the end of Herbie then!

bridportboxer wrote:It looks like that guy can punch a bit - that'll be the end of Herbie then!

lol indeed

1 .- Rudolf Kraj (Czech)
2 .- Giacobbe Fragomeni (Italy)
3 .- Krzysztof Wlodarczyk (Poland)
4 .- Matt Godfrey (US) NABF
5 .- Herbie Hide (GB) INTL
6 .- Jean Marc Mormeck (France)
7 .- Alexander Alexeev (Uzbekistan)
8 .- Marco Huck (Germany) EBU
9 .- Francisco Palacios (P. Rico)
10 .- Johnathon Banks (US)
11 .- Wayne Braithwaite (Guyana) LATINO
12 .- Pawel Kolodziej (Poland)
13 .- Grigory Drozd (Russia)
14 .- Yoan Pablo Hernandez (Cuba)
15 .- BJ Flores (US)



Thats the WBC top 15, obviously 1 and 2 are fighting for the vacant title. Looks like this may be a ploy to try and push Herbie above the Polish chap and Godfrey. Altho Im with the 2 above, it could go catastrophically wrong. My only guess is this is an enforced defence of his WBC international title, it wouldnt be my choice of fight at all.

I'd back any British boxer except HH. Someone needs to knock him into next week (again). One day he may retire, but for now the circus trundles on.

I'd quite like to see the fight don't know what everyones problem is, Hide can punch the guy can be KOed and can punch probably a fairly even fight looking at this guys record.

Never seen him fight but he was stopped by the limited Firat Arslan so you have to give Herbie a chance. But as always with Herbie - anyone that can dig a bit can crack the china chin of Herbie and Drozd looks like he can. Risk worth taking if it gets Herbie a title shot of sorts - he ain't getting any younger!

lol, what a ridiculous padded record. Don;t think this guy will be a threat to herbie but I'll def be betting on some rounds for the other guy

Lets get Hyde-Macca on asap

That would please me......Macca would clean his clock. Then again it would be hairy for a bit the way Hide fights.

Not sure where your confidence in Enzo Macc lies. He's a product of Sky/ITV hype IMHO. He lost to Swaby and very nearly to Bruce Scott and Hobson and was completely mullered by Haye.

Herbie is evidently on the slide but he still might have rather too much for the ever-so-slightly-doughy mullet boy. The Haye loss could well have taken a LOT out of him.

Hence the upper case.

I don't know why you think the Haye loss "will have taken a lot of Maccarinelli", Deadpan. He was taken out early and wasn't allowed to continue after the knockdown. His confidence may have been dented though so it remains to be seen what the long-term damage to his career will be. While you correctly highlight Enzo's struggles with Bruce Scott and Mark Hobson, at least he managed to weather the crisis and grind out results - something Herbie Hide has never been able to do when the going gets tough.

Maccarinelli also produced the good against Marcelo Dominguez and Wayne Braithwaite, arguably his best career performance. Despite having raw power and speed Hide's chin is made of china. He could just as easily fold if caught with a half decent punch from Maccarinelli if they met. Much would depend on Enzo's ability to withstand Hide's early onslaught.

Brian Moore wrote:I don't know why you think the Haye loss "will have taken a lot of Maccarinelli", Deadpan. He was taken out early and wasn't allowed to continue after the knockdown. His confidence may have been dented though so it remains to be seen what the long-term damage to his career will be. While you correctly highlight Enzo's struggles with Bruce Scott and Mark Hobson, at least he managed to weather the crisis and grind out results - something Herbie Hide has never been able to do when the going gets tough.

Maccarinelli also produced the good against Marcelo Dominguez and Wayne Braithwaite, arguably his best career performance. Despite having raw power and speed Hide's chin is made of china. He could just as easily fold if caught with a half decent punch from Maccarinelli if they met. Much would depend on Enzo's ability to withstand Hide's early onslaught.

With the exception of Chingangoooooongngngoo - Hide has been stopped by Riddick Bowe and Vitali Klitschko - hardly fair to compare them to struggles with Bruce Scott and close fight with Hobson.

I think whoever lands first wins in Hide Vs Macca and it just might be Hide!

Saw the Arslan fight and my view is that this guy could be promoted by Warren! He looked to have a bit of pop, but nothing startling and Arslan, who is far from the fastest cruiser in the world, was hitting him repeatedly with clean shots.

Herbie's finally been exiled to Siberia, then. Jeez, he will freeze his nuts off in Yekaterinburg in December. It'll most likely be somewhere between minus 12 and minus 25. It has been known to drop to minus 45.

No way I'm travelling from Moscow for that. Does that make me a fairweather boxing fan?

Carbo wrote:Herbie's finally been exiled to Siberia, then. Jeez, he will freeze his nuts off in Yekaterinburg in December. It'll most likely be somewhere between minus 12 and minus 25. It has been known to drop to minus 45.

No way I'm travelling from Moscow for that. Does that make me a fairweather boxing fan?

Have you been to many live boxing shows since you slipped behind the iron curtain Carbo?

I would be interested to know what sort of crowds they attract:

is it along the British lines (young men, ususally hammer drunk signing football chants)

or more the German model (well heeled middle class couples respectfully clapping the action)?

or something else entirely.

TerribleTerry wrote:

Carbo wrote:Herbie's finally been exiled to Siberia, then. Jeez, he will freeze his nuts off in Yekaterinburg in December. It'll most likely be somewhere between minus 12 and minus 25. It has been known to drop to minus 45.

No way I'm travelling from Moscow for that. Does that make me a fairweather boxing fan?

Have you been to many live boxing shows since you slipped behind the iron curtain Carbo?

I would be interested to know what sort of crowds they attract:

is it along the British lines (young men, ususally hammer drunk signing football chants)

or more the German model (well heeled middle class couples respectfully clapping the action)?

or something else entirely.

I must confess to having been to not a single boxing show since I moved here. In fact I think the last show I went to was a Michael Hunter show in Hartlepool -- I went to a few around that time, I can't remember whether Kamal Guerfi or German Gueteros was last...(spelling??)

However, I suspect the shows attract the flat-head, no-neck crowd, and I've been simply reluctant want to expose myself to some of the more gangsterish or thuggish elements I suspect some of these shows might attract. Frankly, from what you read in the British press, you'd have thought Moscow was teeming with mafiya and black-shirts, but that's not the case, and I've never seen or heard of anything like that -- but, I know they exist, I know what it was like at some boxing cards in the North East I went to, I know the reception some football fans got here, I know what the local militsia (police) are like, and all these things I know make me a little aprehensive.

That being said, if something decent comes along (most shows I've seen have been gash), I'll definitely head along, probably with my boxing drinking-buddy Vladislav.

Which won't include taking a 20-30 odd hour overnight train a thousand miles from Moscow, over the Urals and into Siberia in the middle of winter. My penis is small enough, thanks.

deadpan wrote:Not sure where your confidence in Enzo Macc lies. He's a product of Sky/ITV hype IMHO. He lost to Swaby and very nearly to Bruce Scott and Hobson and was completely mullered by Haye.

Herbie is evidently on the slide but he still might have rather too much for the ever-so-slightly-doughy mullet boy. The Haye loss could well have taken a LOT out of him.

Hence the upper case.

Where does your confidence in Hide come from? It's a circus. Macc can punch, so can Herbie, but Herbie has a worse chin and is much older than Macc. No great faith in either of them but I've seen Herbie fight a lot and usually it's through open fingers as I wait for someone to land on him.

Captain Hook wrote:

deadpan wrote:Not sure where your confidence in Enzo Macc lies. He's a product of Sky/ITV hype IMHO. He lost to Swaby and very nearly to Bruce Scott and Hobson and was completely mullered by Haye.

Herbie is evidently on the slide but he still might have rather too much for the ever-so-slightly-doughy mullet boy. The Haye loss could well have taken a LOT out of him.

Hence the upper case.

Where does your confidence in Hide come from? It's a circus. Macc can punch, so can Herbie, but Herbie has a worse chin and is much older than Macc. No great faith in either of them but I've seen Herbie fight a lot and usually it's through open fingers as I wait for someone to land on him.

I've always been a big fan of Herbie, he is exciting to watch - there is no doubt about that. But the reality is unless it was the extra weight he was carrying at heavyweight causing him to fall over, the minute he gets hit clean by a decent hard hitting cruiser he is going on his ass, much like Enzo Mac - the chances of Hebie losing on points is practically zero!
I'd love to see that fight though (Macca vs Hide), but not on a Warren show because I think Herbie would be disqualified pretty early for some of his dirty stuff, particularly if he had Macca in trouble at any point.

Tykemania wrote:Saw the Arslan fight and my view is that this guy could be promoted by Warren! He looked to have a bit of pop, but nothing startling and Arslan, who is far from the fastest cruiser in the world, was hitting him repeatedly with clean shots.

I saw this one too and Drozd basically ran out of gas from hitting Arslan so many times.

After five rounds?! Drozd must be in stellar shape

steve689 wrote:After five rounds?! Drozd must be in stellar shape

Compared to Sam Peter he is Haile Gebreselassie.

jameswilson wrote:

steve689 wrote:After five rounds?! Drozd must be in stellar shape

Compared to Sam Peter he is Haile Gebreselassie.

Jah?

You know, Hide's points win over an obscure Benin fighter in Spain earlier this year was the first time Hide had been the distance (win or lose, mostly win) since he outscored Everett "Big Foot" Martin at the now-demolished Granby Halls in Leicester back in 1993.
Fifteen years.

Yes I read that too Bennie. The guy was Eliakhmon or something? Tough kid but a pretty lax fight all round.