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Saw the ad this morning on 4 -- new footage of old Smokin Joe spilling his guts on Ali and his current condition, amazing shots of him as he is today all alone in his infamous Philly gym, lots of great archive of the build up to the Thrilla.

Tuesday at 2200 on More 4.

MUST SEE

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Should be good, the True Stories series by 4 are always excellent. Makes me want to pick up Ghosts of Manilla and read it again.

Terry D wrote:Nice. I like Joe as a fighter. Ali treated him badly and Joe has held that grudge brilliantly.

Joe has had the last laugh in many ways...

Oh come on guys.

Anyone taking pleasure in Ali's condition or taking something as pitiful as Ghosts of Manilla (Mark Kram what a joke) seriously, needs help.

I love Joe and i appreciate Ali hurt his feelings but f##k me we've seen far worse. These were fiercely competitive people who wanted to get over on the other.

Terry D wrote:

overhand_right wrote:These were fiercely competitive people who wanted to get over on the other.

And people thought the thesis of 'Ghosts of Manilla' was controversial.

I was just pointing out that Saint Ali shat all over Joe, and the race he sought to better. I have no feelings one way or the other.

I agree what Ali did to Frazier was just wrong.

Terry D wrote:Ali was a complex man. All great men are. I had to carefully explain to Ms Diddly that Luther the King had to bang brasses in order to achieve greatness. Ali did what he had to do. It was bad but hey-ho.

Mrs Diddly?

I thought they would be a Mr Diddly!

Joe is still one of my favourite boxers, you can hear his body shots when he landed them.
why can't he be in his prime now!!! he'd rip all of todays heavies up.

E wrote:

Terry D wrote:Nice. I like Joe as a fighter. Ali treated him badly and Joe has held that grudge brilliantly.

Joe has had the last laugh in many ways...

Others (Normal People) would not laugh over such trivial things. But of course simple retards do laugh.

Im pretty sure Frazier is not laughing over that.

overhand_right wrote:Oh come on guys.

Anyone taking pleasure in Ali's condition or taking something as pitiful as Ghosts of Manilla (Mark Kram what a joke) seriously, needs help.

Not a fan then are you, numbnuts? Seem to recall some of the hardcore Ali/Frazier nuts out there had a problem with Kram, but I just remember it as good book by one of boxings best writers. Not everyone's gonna agree with him, but so what.

wow this is a great time for boxing fans...next two months is stack with interesting fights and of course this documentary!

MightyWarrior wrote:Not a fan then are you, numbnuts? Seem to recall some of the hardcore Ali/Frazier nuts out there had a problem with Kram, but I just remember it as good book by one of boxings best writers. Not everyone's gonna agree with him, but so what.

Kram one of boxings best writers? This guy was sacked from Sports Illustrated for being a corrupt hack who took money under the table from Don King to write puff pieces about how great DK was and how his 70s ABC tournement (one of the most vile corrupt tourneys ever that f#cked fighters not alligned with King royally) was totally above board.

He got thrown out and Sports Illustarted was forced to do a humiliating apology piece to its readers because of all the sh#t Kram had wrote.

And then Kram has the audacity to attack Ali's character? Puuuhleeeease!!!!!

Old bones Ian wrote:Joe is still one of my favourite boxers, you can hear his body shots when he landed them.
why can't he be in his prime now!!! he'd rip all of todays heavies up.

Steady on, we had a thread with most people backing Klitschko against Joe a short while back

overhand_right wrote:
Kram one of boxings best writers?

Yes, a million times more talented writer than Hauser, for instance. So he's flawed and fu**ed up a few times, that doesn't mean he's not a great writer - or you only read things by nice guys?

Terry D wrote:Nice. I like Joe as a fighter. Ali treated him badly and Joe has held that grudge brilliantly.

Ali was a nasty bastard to Frazier - not a very nice man back then.