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I've got a big confession to make. Despite making comments about it, I hadn't watched this fight in maybe 25 yrs, and the more I think about it, I'm pretty certain I never did actually score it before. Now, with that off my chest I can admit that I did recently watch it in it's entirety, with the sound off, and while I realise this will bring out the obligatory comments from a certain poster, at the end of 15 rds I scored the fight
146-142 for Vito Antuofermo

I just can't see how one of the judges had Hagler winning by 4, while another had it even. At times Hagler boxed beautifully, but at the end he was simply outworked and outpressured. Vito fought the fight of his life, and he really did deserve the W in that first fight.

You wont get an argument from me. I love Hagler but I thought the fight could have gone either way and that a draw was a fine decision. I was also very unhappy with Hagler in the rematch where he clearly butted Vito more than once which prompted the stoppage. I would have liked to have seen a more conclusive rematch.

It's one of those fights which I saw in highlights a long time ago. The word was that Hagler was robbed and that sort of sat with me without me really questioning it. I should sit and watch it again.

I remember the rematch though and it was a nasty affair.

Hagler was robbed BIG TIME!!!

I was a HUGE Hagler fan in the 1970s and 80s. I watched Hagler-Antuofermo live on TV and came away thinking the draw was fair or Antuofermo should have won by a point. I have seen the fight on tape since then and I still think it was a close fight that could have gone either way. Just don't see the robbery. I was always far more convinced Hagler got robbed against Sugar Ray than that he got robbed against Vito.
I also thought Antuofermo won the first fight with Minter, but both Hagler and Minter did a whole lot better against Vito the second time around

Very close fight. Hagler was way ahead, and then for whatever reason just stopped fighting. Antuofermo won most of the 2nd half of the fight. Hagler was clearly the better fighter and should have won. However he simply didn't fight as well as he could have. You can argue that Hagler should have got the decision but the "Hagler was robbed" is a myth.

Hagler's one of the greatest MW's of alltime. He was better than Antuofermo in every conceivable category, but on that night, Vito fought with the greater will to win. He consistently beat Hagler in the exchanges and drove him back. In the late rounds you could see he was the stronger man. In the 13th, I believe, Hagler backpeddled out of an exchange, and Vito waved him to c'mon and fight. It's possible Hagler would have beat Antuofermo 9 times out of 10, but after seeing the bout in it's entirety, I'm convinced Vito was the clear winner. Even if I gave the 3 rds I scored even, to Hagler. I'd still have Antuofermo winning by 1.

Antuofermo probably should get more credit for this fight. Usually the focus is just on Hagler. He fought a very good fight and probably the best that he was capable of. Sometimes it's great to see to see a fairly limited fighter do that well against a far more talented fighter.

You alshave to give him some credit for making his first defense against Hagler. He could have found someone easier.
Btw, I have never seen Antuodermo-Minter I. How close was that? Was it a good fight? You never hear about that one.

Ambling Alp wrote:Sometimes it's great to see to see a fairly limited fighter do that well against a far more talented fighter.

I believe this result won "Upset of the Year" in Ring Magazine.

Ambling Alp wrote:Antuofermo probably should get more credit for this fight. Usually the focus is just on Hagler. He fought a very good fight and probably the best that he was capable of. Sometimes it's great to see to see a fairly limited fighter do that well against a far more talented fighter.

You alshave to give him some credit for making his first defense against Hagler. He could have found someone easier.
Btw, I have never seen Antuodermo-Minter I. How close was that? Was it a good fight? You never hear about that one.

It was a pretty good and close fight. I thought Antuofermo won, but Minter got a split decision. Wasn't more than a few points between them, with Antuofermo scoring a questionable knockdown. However, the fight was best known for the behavior of British judge Roland Dakin, who scored it 149-137 for his countryman, Minter. Promoter Bob Arum said he saw Dakin give Minter’s corner a thumbs up after every round he scored for them. Don't know what happened to Dakin, but he should have been banned from the sport for his horrible scoring and helping to take the title away from Antuofermo

I watched Minter v Antuofermo live at the time, and thought Minter edged it. I wouldn't mind seeing it again though. By the way, after all these yrs I just read that Antuofermo was credited with a knockdown in the 14th. I can't for the life of me remember that ? I do remember Minter having a large following of noisy supporters present.

I can only imagine what Alan Minter would have been like if he didn't bleed at the drop of hat. I once heard that he gave a decent account of himself in 8 of his nine loses. Plus, I thought he deserved the decision against Hamsho.

Re: Knockdown. If I remember correctly it looked on TV like an Antuofermo right, but I think Minter said it was more a slip or push. Either way, I thought that sealed it for Antuofermo. Of course I didn't count on Dakin crooked scoring. You're right about Minter, however. I saw him in several fights and he was a heck of a talent whose skin let him down

Amazing really how Vito and Minter are given short thrift by fans these days. These were exceptional fighters who took their talent all the way. They also did it the hard way. Sometimes I watch boxing today and a splintered version of as title, decent hand speed and a flashy pair of trunks seems to take you a long way.

In his first bout with Vito Antuofermo, Marvin Hagler got off to a good start and I felt that he had a commanding lead after ten rounds of the scheduled fifteen-rounder. But it was very evident that Hagler faded badly in the last five rounds, so I don't think that the draw decision was terribly unfair.

- Chuck Johnston

klompton wrote:You wont get an argument from me. I love Hagler but I thought the fight could have gone either way and that a draw was a fine decision. I was also very unhappy with Hagler in the rematch where he clearly butted Vito more than once which prompted the stoppage. I would have liked to have seen a more conclusive rematch.

Vito was allready past it and most of all,psychologically ruined by the time the rematch date arrived with Hagler.

He was quite obviously,thoroughly ruined,at least psychologically speaking,by the horrible absurdity of the blindly judged decision in the first Minter bout.

Unbelievable how that bout was scored when you're supposed to take the title from the champ and Minter didnt even come close to so much as having a draw with Vito let alone winning an easy clear cut horribly and blantantly farced based decision.
Those judges were obviously strongly biased against Vito.Obviously wanted Minter to fight Hagler because they knew Hagler would kick the Living Sh%t out of Minter.

First Vito-Hagler bout looked like a Draw to me.Great Fight.Probably would've been a similiar looking bout in a rematch had the judges properly given Vito the rightfull decision win he so earned in The Fatally Fated 1st Minter Bout.After that horribly judged decision,Vito was just never close to being the same ever again.It just annhialated his inner confidence and poise.

He knew after that,that the judges just simply despised em. :(

to this day i have never managed to work out how a fighter who was stopped by Maurice Hope went on to give Hagler such a good fight

Someone on this forum has a severe problem.

Alan Minter beat Vito Antuofermo by a landslide decision. The only thing Vito did well in that fight was banging his head against Minters gloves. The fool that gave his vote to Vito should have been banned for life.

By the way, I am not british and I don´t like Minter.

I had Hagler winning by a small margin against Antuofermo.

Woller

Woller wrote:Someone on this forum has a severe problem.

Alan Minter beat Vito Antuofermo by a landslide decision. The only thing Vito did well in that fight was banging his head against Minters gloves. The fool that gave his vote to Vito should have been banned for life.

By the way, I am not british and I don´t like Minter.

I had Hagler winning by a small margin against Antuofermo.

Woller

"Severe problem?" No need to talk like a pendejo because others on the forum disagree with your assessment. Re-watch the fight. No analyst or reporter at the time thought it was anything but a close fight. Apparently you and Dakin disagree.

I have seen the fight several times, it is in my collection. I have to say that in Europe the puplic opinion was that Minter won handily. (I admit that scoring seems to be very different from USA to over here. We believe for example that Lennox Lewis won by a huge margin against Ray Mercer). I come from Denmark, so I have nothing to gain by supporting british boxers. As I see the fight Minter wins against Antuofermo by at least a 10 point margin. Funnily enough I have Mustapha Hamsho winning 7-3 in rounds against Minter in a later fight that if I remember right only was a close split decision for Hamsho.
Somehow some fights becomes controversial with age.
Some people says that Young was robbed against Ali. I don´t get it!

Woller

By the way: What is a pendejo? (No joke, I simply don´t know)

wow, i couldnt give ali more than a couple of rounds against young and had lewis losing a close but clear decision to mercer.

If you say so - But the judges and I got it right.

Woller

"...By the way: What is a pendejo? (No joke, I simply don´t know)" - Woller

That's what we call walking into a punch D

That night Jimmy Young kicked Ali's ass and embarrassed him, made him look like an old man

Seamus wrote:I've got a big confession to make. Despite making comments about it, I hadn't watched this fight in maybe 25 yrs, and the more I think about it, I'm pretty certain I never did actually score it before. Now, with that off my chest I can admit that I did recently watch it in it's entirety, with the sound off, and while I realise this will bring out the obligatory comments from a certain poster, at the end of 15 rds I scored the fight
146-142 for Vito Antuofermo

I just can't see how one of the judges had Hagler winning by 4, while another had it even. At times Hagler boxed beautifully, but at the end he was simply outworked and outpressured. Vito fought the fight of his life, and he really did deserve the W in that first fight.

What that fight showed was just how bad that stumbling plodder Hagler was. He could not even out box Vito.

I am going to go watch this fight. I have only seen it in small clips and have
been told time and time again that Hagler was robbed. BUT...I have learned
from many other a fight that this is often never the case when you watch it
with your own eyes.