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according to the sun newspaper

Posted: 25 Nov 2008, 13:45
by boxerbob
floyd mayweather jnr was on £100,000 for the hatton / malignaggi fight???

i thought hed be on more than that??? , did he not ask for $2m to train oscar vs his son???

personally i thought he would be on 250k minimum

Re: according to the sun newspaper

Posted: 25 Nov 2008, 14:03
by boxerbob
i know i saw that the other day....reports from america said he got $2.5m....i thought he would have gotten more aswell???

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Posted: 25 Nov 2008, 14:07
by Gray-Fox
so what if he was on so little?

he's the trainer, nothing more.

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Posted: 25 Nov 2008, 14:21
by Autobarn
Non title?

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Posted: 25 Nov 2008, 14:34
by Autobarn
Yeah but both guys were regarded as champions. Malignaggi was holding the IBF belt recently, and never lost it in the ring. Hatton is regarded as the #1 light welter, The Man at 140, his lineage going back to beating the last major champ at the weight, Tszyu.

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Posted: 25 Nov 2008, 14:36
by jameswilson
If you can't believe what you read in The Sun then what can you believe.

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Posted: 25 Nov 2008, 17:01
by Wax On
The most important title was at stake. The ring title. I think we might be getting to the stage where the value of that can't be underestimated. I'm sure that's part the reason Golden Boy bought it.

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Posted: 25 Nov 2008, 17:04
by Captain Hook
You're probably right, the Ring title seems to be more important than any other at the moment

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Posted: 25 Nov 2008, 17:21
by Coco
Wax On wrote:The most important title was at stake. The ring title. I think we might be getting to the stage where the value of that can't be underestimated. I'm sure that's part the reason Golden Boy bought it.
The more times his fighters fight for it the less important it becomes

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Posted: 25 Nov 2008, 17:30
by steve689
boxerbob wrote:floyd mayweather jnr was on £100,000 for the hatton / malignaggi fight???
Sorry I confused at first but you mean Mayweather SNR bob?? :TU:

Re: according to the sun newspaper

Posted: 25 Nov 2008, 17:31
by Wax On
Coco wrote:
Wax On wrote:The most important title was at stake. The ring title. I think we might be getting to the stage where the value of that can't be underestimated. I'm sure that's part the reason Golden Boy bought it.
The more times his fighters fight for it the less important it becomes
I know what you're trying to say, but as long as the ring maintain their rigid way of crowning a champion at a weight i.e. Contender 1 and 2 fighting if it's a vacant belt or contender 1/2 having to beat the champ to become champ (or something along those lines), then I don't see how Golden boy can harm its credibilty.

What I think we've seen them do quite subtly recently is raise the profile of the ring belts and start to lower the prestige of the other big sanctioning bodies slightly.

Whereas the ring rating used to be just a 'magazine's ratings' they're now gaining credibilty by being supported by the most powerful boxing promotional company in the world. I hope the trend continues, because I'd love to see it become a universally recognised way of crowning champions. Think it's just what the sport needs.

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Posted: 25 Nov 2008, 17:52
by Gray-Fox
The Ring title means nothing now Oscar owns it.

Him buying that is like the Government "owning" the BBC.

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Posted: 25 Nov 2008, 18:07
by Maelstrom
Gray-Fox wrote:The Ring title means nothing now Oscar owns it.

Him buying that is like the Government "owning" the BBC.
Good post. Nail on head.

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Posted: 25 Nov 2008, 18:10
by Phenomenal-Nutrition
Captain Hook wrote:You're probably right, the Ring title seems to be more important than any other at the moment
Its going down hill fast and soon will be more political garbage when they start charging sanctioning fees and stripping fighters like the other 4 Belts (This is planned apparently)

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Posted: 26 Nov 2008, 04:39
by Poncey
At least with RING you don't have super-duper champs, super champ, champs and interim champs.

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Posted: 26 Nov 2008, 07:54
by Coco
Emerson Poncey Name Ghent wrote:At least with RING you don't have super-duper champs, super champ, champs and interim champs.

Not yet!!

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Posted: 26 Nov 2008, 07:58
by Autobarn
Gray-Fox wrote:The Ring title means nothing now Oscar owns it.

Him buying that is like the Government "owning" the BBC.
I sort of agree. However, it's still better than a WBO title. It does help us distinguish between the achievements of Haye/Hatton/Calzaghe, and say Nicky Cook/Alex Arthur/Scott Harrison. If those guys are getting recognition, respect and money in America, it is a positive thing.

But there are reservations about Ring titles. There are no mandatories. You don't get stripped if you won't fight Mr Dangerous #1 Contender. If Oscar promotes fights for Oscar (oops, Ring) titles, he's not likely to match his fighters with ppl from other promoters (see lightweight and Nate Campbell being isolated from the big names).

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Posted: 26 Nov 2008, 08:13
by Wax On
Gray-Fox wrote:The Ring title means nothing now Oscar owns it.

Him buying that is like the Government "owning" the BBC.
I think that's b0llocks to be fair.

As long as the citeria for crowning a champ stays the same i.e. rigid rules on how a champ can be crowned i.e. by the #1 contender beating the #2 or on rare occasions the #3 etc then Oscar or GB owning it makes no difference.

All it means is that it's becoming a bit more high profile - because they're promoting it as a major belt. And I think that's a good thing!

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Posted: 26 Nov 2008, 08:20
by chesh
It all seems irrelevant when most of the "super" fights are now either at a catchweight or at a traditional weight somehere between the two fighters' natural weight classes!

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Posted: 26 Nov 2008, 08:27
by Autobarn
Maybe Oscar can be Ring mag lightweight-light middle Interval-weight Champion? Ring mag, Greedy Bully champion? Ring mag, Oscarweight champion?

After he beats a much smaller Pacquiao.

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Posted: 26 Nov 2008, 08:45
by DavidPayne
Wax On wrote:
Coco wrote:
Wax On wrote:The most important title was at stake. The ring title. I think we might be getting to the stage where the value of that can't be underestimated. I'm sure that's part the reason Golden Boy bought it.
The more times his fighters fight for it the less important it becomes
I know what you're trying to say, but as long as the ring maintain their rigid way of crowning a champion at a weight i.e. Contender 1 and 2 fighting if it's a vacant belt or contender 1/2 having to beat the champ to become champ (or something along those lines), then I don't see how Golden boy can harm its credibilty.

What I think we've seen them do quite subtly recently is raise the profile of the ring belts and start to lower the prestige of the other big sanctioning bodies slightly.

Whereas the ring rating used to be just a 'magazine's ratings' they're now gaining credibilty by being supported by the most powerful boxing promotional company in the world. I hope the trend continues, because I'd love to see it become a universally recognised way of crowning champions. Think it's just what the sport needs.
They fkked their cred when they made VK champ

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Posted: 26 Nov 2008, 10:33
by chesh
Autobarn wrote:Maybe Oscar can be Ring mag lightweight-light middle Interval-weight Champion? Ring mag, Greedy Bully champion? Ring mag, Oscarweight champion?

After he beats a much smaller Pacquiao.
:lol: Would love to see Pac whup him (unlikely though that is).

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Posted: 26 Nov 2008, 11:39
by Gray-Fox
DavidPayne wrote:They fkked their cred when they made VK champ
Viet Kong Champ?

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Posted: 26 Nov 2008, 11:51
by DavidPayne
Thats the one. Cant see beating retired Colonel Sanders earning anything else?

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Posted: 26 Nov 2008, 11:52
by Wax On
quote]They fkked their cred when they made VK champ[/quote]

Did they?? When???