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Premature Stoppage?

Posted: 30 Nov 2008, 07:19
by Goodnight, Irene
Trying to keep this to a yes-no response, or near that point, if you guys wouldn't mind. Feel free to add your own. Were these stopped early?

Vazquez-Marquez II: Yes

Tszyu-Judah: No

Tyson-Ruddock I: Yes

Lewis-McCall I: No

Echols-Brewer: Yes

Ali-Lyle: Yes

Castillo-Corrales I: Yes

Chavez-Taylor I: No

Chavez-Taylor II: Yes (Funny, you never see it mentioned, but I thought this was a quick stoppage)

From the amateurs...

Lewis-Bowe: Yes

Re: Premature Stoppage?

Posted: 30 Nov 2008, 17:36
by hhaehre
The ones that I disagree with:
Goodnight, Irene wrote:Trying to keep this to a yes-no response, or near that point, if you guys wouldn't mind. Feel free to add your own. Were these stopped early?

Lewis-McCall I: No
Gotta give the champ a chance. He is up at 5, staggers a bit but then collects himself.

Goodnight, Irene wrote: Ali-Lyle: Yes
Difficult one as Ali did not really land much, not counting arm punches, following the big right hand but I think at some point you just have to throw a punch back.
Goodnight, Irene wrote: Castillo-Corrales I: Yes
Totally disagree. Gotta disregard the two knockdowns earlier in the round, Castillo is defenceless on the ropes, easy decision for the ref.

Re: Premature Stoppage?

Posted: 30 Nov 2008, 19:37
by Goodnight, Irene
Interesting. I take it you agree, however, with my contention the somewhat similar (to Castillo-Corrales I) Echols-Brewer was stopped too soon? I now Brewer was much clearer-headed than was Castillo, but even so, there are plain similarities.

I will concede I'm in the minority on Castillo-Corrales I. I would've let it go on just a bit longer. Felt the same way about Vazquez-Marquez II, though everyone seems to have forgotten that, in the wake of its 2007 Fight Of The Year mantle.

Re: Premature Stoppage?

Posted: 01 Dec 2008, 10:16
by TrentOR
Castillo was out of it. He should have taken a knee and cleared his head.

Re: Premature Stoppage?

Posted: 01 Dec 2008, 12:39
by dempseyfire
I think what made Coralles-Castillo so frustrating was the fact that Corrales had been given WAY too much time to recover to collect his mouthpiece. After a KD, if a fighter clearly intentially SPITS out his mouthpiece, the ref needs to force him to continue fighting . . you are robbing the other fighter of a deserved KO.

Lewis-McCall . . .while quick, the reason why I don't have a big problem with it is that the ref asked Lewis to walk towards him, and Lennox couldn't respond adequately as he stumbled towards the ref. That, along with Judah-Tyszu, is why a fighter shouldn't rush right up after a knockdown. Your brain can say yes but your legs say no.

Re: Premature Stoppage?

Posted: 01 Dec 2008, 17:35
by meade95
Goodnight, Irene wrote:Trying to keep this to a yes-no response, or near that point, if you guys wouldn't mind. Feel free to add your own. Were these stopped early?

Vazquez-Marquez II: Yes

Tszyu-Judah: No

Tyson-Ruddock I: Yes

Lewis-McCall I: No

Echols-Brewer: Yes

Ali-Lyle: Yes

Castillo-Corrales I: Yes

Chavez-Taylor I: No

Chavez-Taylor II: Yes (Funny, you never see it mentioned, but I thought this was a quick stoppage)

From the amateurs...

Lewis-Bowe: Yes
Agree with all the above ...Except

Chavez - Taylor I - No way in hell should that fight have been stopped like that -

The other fight I recently rewatched and thought the stoppage was early...was the H. Gonzalez Vs Sorjaturong Jr. Fly Championship fight......... Humberto Gonzalez was hurt.....but it seemed stopped fast ...especially for the war the fight was and how Sorjaturong was down twice earlier......

Re: Premature Stoppage?

Posted: 09 Dec 2008, 00:01
by oliverfennell
Bowe was more hurt when he was knocked down in the rubber match with Holyfield than Lewis was vs McCall. I know making such comparisons is an inexact science, but I remember wondering at the time what the heavyweight landscape would have been like with different referees in those two fights.